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Or.......

A mod that could automatically determine the TCR. Which I think would possible if someone put their mind to it.

Something like, put an exactly 5mm length of wire between the terminal and select "Measure TCR" from the menu.

In that case idiots would do said tcr detection with a higher tcr wire and then build their atty with a lower tcr wire and vape it as hot as they want anyway.;)
 

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That's the way my wife looks at things when there is trouble, she always says; a year from now this won't matter.

Yeah, it takes my wife's calming demeanor to keep me from @&$##!#% people at times too.:lol:

I had a bad day yesterday too, jumped on the back hoe and immediately blew a hydraulic line. No one in my tiny town had parts. One place had the hose, one place had one fitting and another place had the other fitting. Whole day wasted to get things back together:-x
Nothing compared to your painter problems or Steamer's nightmare day though.
 

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In that case idiots would do said tcr detection with a higher tcr wire and then build their atty with a lower tcr wire and vape it as hot as they want anyway.;)

Could easily set the firmware where it refuses to fire if the proper length and TCR isn't used.
 

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yup! because there's always something worse coming down the pipe line :lol:

True! After some of the things I've been through in life, I guess some of this crap pales in comparison, I have to remember that. Anyway, it's going to be a nice day today! No work will be done here today, I'm going to turn the cell phone off, enjoy the nice weather and peace. :)
 

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Could easily set the firmware where it refuses to fire if the proper length and TCR isn't used.

Maybe yes, but if it is that easy why does Evolv have such a hard time getting their firmware correct? Several mod manufactures have tried auto-tcr detect and failed miserably too.
My fear is if the feds were to regulate temp in any way it would be by mandating a closed system, something the user can't muck with.
 

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Or.......

A mod that could automatically determine the TCR. Which I think would possible if someone put their mind to it.

Something like, put an exactly 5mm length of wire between the terminal and select "Measure TCR" from the menu.

Could easily set the firmware where it refuses to fire if the proper length and TCR isn't used.

Like when I worked at a place 35 years ago and corporate installed set thermostats that could not be changed? I just put the coffee machine table on that wall and adjusted closer or further away.

Where there's a will there's a way.
 

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Like when I worked at a place 35 years ago and corporate installed set thermostats that could not be changed? I just put the coffee machine table on that wall and adjusted closer or further away.

Where there's a will there's a way.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Maybe yes, but if it is that easy why does Evolv have such a hard time getting their firmware correct? Several mod manufactures have tried auto-tcr detect and failed miserably too.
My fear is if the feds were to regulate temp in any way it would be by mandating a closed system, something the user can't muck with.
Yeah, my motivation is improving the tech, the Feds could care less about that.

Feds aside, it seems like if you took a known length of straight wire and ran a few pulses through it while measuring resistance, you could figure out the tcr. Think Case analyzer. Imagine not having to worry about keeping track of tcrs, or figuring out that mixed wire alien coil.
 

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Yeah, my motivation is improving the tech, the Feds could care less about that.

Feds aside, it seems like if you took a known length of straight wire and ran a few pulses through it while measuring resistance, you could figure out the tcr. Think Case analyzer. Imagine not having to worry about keeping track of tcrs, or figuring out that mixed wire alien coil.

Yeah, there has to be a way the manufactures of these resistance wire measure the resistance, I bet they also measure temp curves. You can bet they pull samples during the production and test them, it would be interesting to see the equipment they use and how it works. Wonder if there is a simpler way that would still give us accurate enough info for our use with having to spend big bucks on equipment, if it ever came to the point we needed to. I love learning how things work, had that drive since I was a wee lad. I took my parents toaster apart when I was little, I couldn't have been more then eight or nine years old, I remember it well because Dad wasn't happy they had to buy a new one, oops....
 

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I was thinking in terms of new peeps, though if done right and safely I don't necessarily think a closed system us a bad thing.
Or.......

A mod that could automatically determine the TCR. Which I think would be possible if someone put their mind to it.

Something like, put an exactly 5mm length (or whatever) of wire between the two terminals and select "Measure TCR" from the menu.
This is sort of what I was thinking, TC is possible with almost all wires in use rn, so if you want to keep the open system it would need to be a feature in the board that determines tcr and then assigns a TFR map... but really from my limited understanding of metallurgy idk if this is possible, though I think it should be with drop-in coils.

The other way would be to require all new drop-in coils to be TC friendly, you could replace kanthal as the "standard" with something that's user friendly & dry burnable like kanthal, but also capable of TC. One of the NiFe's or SS's, just off the top of my head...

Or you could use that fsk software which "approximates" TC using kanthal or nichrome. Lots of options, but I think we all realized that it can't continue like this forever, nor should it, imo.

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Yeah I was always taking things apart too, drove my mom crazy bc I wanted to know how literally everything worked, so ofc I'd take it to bits... once I understood how it worked, putting it back together became less of a priority. my parents tried to channel that into cars and computers, I was building SCSI-configured servers for my step-dad when I was like 6 and I think 9 when we overhauled the block/stems/valves in our old stingray... Not as much fun when it's a chore but I think all kids have an aptitude for it, I'm just glad I didn't have those types of parents that won't let their kids take anything apart.

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I got in trouble for it. But then again I was doing things like taking locks apart to see what them tick, and how to pick.......

They really got upset when I tried to make a little bomb!
Never got the chance to if it would have worked or not. :(
 

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I was thinking in terms of new peeps, though if done right and safely I don't necessarily think a closed system us a bad thing.

This is sort of what I was thinking, TC is possible with almost all wires in use rn, so if you want to keep the open system it would need to be a feature in the board that determines tcr and then assigns a TFR map... but really from my limited understanding of metallurgy idk if this is possible, though I think it should be with drop-in coils.

The other way would be to require all new drop-in coils to be TC friendly, you could replace kanthal as the "standard" with something that's user friendly & dry burnable like kanthal, but also capable of TC. One of the NiFe's or SS's, just off the top of my head...

Or you could use that fsk software which "approximates" TC using kanthal or nichrome. Lots of options, but I think we all realized that it can't continue like this forever, nor should it, imo.

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I know of some folks developing Pod Mods with "pods" that have a chip built into the pod that tells the tfr and max temp etc. Not a bad idea really, especially if they offer some exotic stuff like claptons.
 

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Bottom line with it will be that you can't protect an idiot from being idiotic. Where there's a will there's a way and any protection system will be defeated. Of course none of that had ever stopped regulators from trying to protect us "for our own good". I still say the best and most accurate way to do TCR is with a thermocouple in the atomizer, but that would make them rather expensive and require a whole new connection system. I can imagine the thermocouple being replaceable to accommodate us in the DIY crowd.

I went in for a 25,000 mile checkup today and the sawbones says I'm good for another 25,000. It has been really hot here, nasty hot. The temps are above 95 and the "feels like" has be sitting around 105. Unfortunately there's only so much clothing you can shed before you get laughed at or arrested. I don't mind being laughed at but being arrested is a definite no go.
 

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I got in trouble for it. But then again I was doing things like taking locks apart to see what them tick, and how to pick.......

They really got upset when I tried to make a little bomb!
Never got the chance to if it would have worked or not. :(

My folks had to hide their watches...
I would get up before they did, find them and take them apart :lol:
 

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