Evolv-ing Thread

[awsum140]

If all the cell phones and laptops that go up in smoke were reported like e-cigs I think the perceptions might change. I saw a report, somewhere, from the FAA and it was about a 10:1 ration of cell phone/laptops versus e-cigs. Granted there are fewer e-cigs in use but still... And again, stupidity gets involved, IE the user had packed the e-cig complete with battery and atomizer in a crammed suitcase.

I just saw an anti-vaping ad on a local station that stated, flatly, that the FDA hadn't "approved" the liquids so we don't know what's in them making them dangerous, somehow. Mis-information and exaggeration lead to the perceptions the media and vested interests want to portray and the general public just swallows it as the absolute truth.

 

[dwcraig1]

Speaking of batteries, I just changed the battery in my rDNA40. The on board charger no longer works.
Then I proceeded to change the battery in my hcigar Hb40, I know it would have been protected but darn I almost put in in backwards. Mr Murphy was assisting me.

 

[mikepetro]

If all the cell phones and laptops that go up in smoke were reported like e-cigs I think the perceptions might change. I saw a report, somewhere, from the FAA and it was about a 10:1 ration of cell phone/laptops versus e-cigs. Granted there are fewer e-cigs in use but still... And again, stupidity gets involved, IE the user had packed the e-cig complete with battery and atomizer in a crammed suitcase.

I just saw an anti-vaping ad on a local station that stated, flatly, that the FDA hadn't "approved" the liquids so we don't know what's in them making them dangerous, somehow. Mis-information and exaggeration lead to the perceptions the media and vested interests want to portray and the general public just swallows it as the absolute truth.

Here is the official data:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...carrier_info/media/battery_incident_chart.pdf

Notice that since about 2010, ecigs show up as a leading cause, outnumbering laptops and cellphones, which as you said, have far far more units in circulation.

 

[awsum140]

I dunno, Mike. I'll admit that I didn't read, word for word, every report in that list, but far more were from other devices including wheelchairs, cautery pens, medical suction devices and laptops. Several of the e-cig ones specifically mentioned batteries in non-insulated containers or even metal containers (idiots are everywhere, even air planes).

 

[Alexander Mundy]

There are already laws in place that Lithium batteries have to be properly protected from accidental discharge and they cannot be checked. Everyone of these incidents attributed to ecigs that have enough detail point to the fact that they were not properly and in fact illegally transported. Can't fix stupid. I would hazard a guess that if they do try to ban ecigs altogether on planes the incidents will actually increase due to passengers attempting to smuggle them. As a side note looks like drones are going to be next in question.

 

[mikepetro]

I dunno, Mike. I'll admit that I didn't read, word for word, every report in that list, but far more were from other devices including wheelchairs, cautery pens, medical suction devices and laptops. Several of the e-cig ones specifically mentioned batteries in non-insulated containers or even metal containers (idiots are everywhere, even air planes).

The rapid rise of that ecig category on that list in the last 5 years, when prior it wasnt even on the radar, is what is drawing all the attention.

Look at the battery failure rate of cell phones as a % of total deployed, now look at ecig issues as a % of total deployed. Ecig numbers are topping the safety hazard charts and there are far far fewer ecigs deployed than cellphones. Our failure numbers are "disproportionately" high!

 

[mikepetro]

And I agree, you cant fix stupid. However the cellphone/laptop industries made it so that stupidity level is mitigated. The consumer electronics batteries typically shut themselves down in an anomalous situation, where ours VENT!

 

[Steamer861]

If cell phone batteries started as many fires as ecigs, they would be banning them too. So the Samsungs and Apples of the world put a lot of R&D into safer batteries. Overall cell phones are considered safe, and many carry high mAh bats.

The trend to regulated devices has started that. But you still have stupid engineers designing cases with screw the pierce the lipo cells (poof). We have to evolv beyond the barely acceptable, and make our devices safe enough that it wont start fires in the airplane belly.....

I can understand how the negative press were getting over batteries is a concern! It mite be the end of US! If these battery venting videos keep getting uploaded to YT. It is going to continually cast a very negative shadow on the whole E-cig industry Now all that has to happen is, it happens to the wrong person i.e. some one famous or any kind of rich high profile person, then the whip will come down
In all fairness you can't compare a cell phone and an e-cig mod. A phone is just a transmitter it does not tax a battery in the way an e-cig mod does. The solution to this problem will have to be far reaching and very very detrimental to our hobby/ industry First off right off the top of my head, You would have to eliminate all rebuilding period! People can't be trusted to make proper coils. all mech mods Gone! too unsafe for main stream consumption To have a truly safe e-cig mod atty combo it would have to have prebuilt coils and be a regulated mod, standardized so no one could hurt them selves.
This period of no regulation we have just lived thru IMO has hurt Us more than helped
The term give them enough rope to hang them selves comes to mind
And we did! ridiculously low builds on questionable batteries huge clouds bothering people.
All these venting videos It's just a matter of time now till this all comes back to Bite! US
If the e-cig industry can survive it has to be rethought from square one.
We need industry standards that are Safe for all users, we have to promote e-cigs as a quite smoking method. Not! some new fad for kids to abuse, with fancy coils & big Clouds
I know this coming off pretty "Harsh" But it's the way I'm seeing it

 

[classwife]

But it's also kind of like trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube...

It's out there...so we DO have to find a way to 'fix stupid'

 

[SlickWilly]

I think one way to help us be viewed in a better lite is to stop using the term e-cig and use vaping instead. That's something each one of us can do, I'm probably more in the habit of using "e-cig" then most but I'm trying to remember not too. I wish they would change the name of this forum!

 

[sabre66]

Sorry jumping late on this, why can the just demand that devices have batteries removed a little tough with models that have non removable batteries and that the batteries be transported in a proper battery shipping container IE. a box or that does not allow batteries to come in contact with one another. Mod designers would have to rethink their designs but it totally doable. This is where for me the DNA75 comes in real handy.

I always travel with with my devices separated atty mods and batts all taken apart. And of coarse a juice container in pocket so I can drip on my tongue when I need to.

 

[classwife]

I think one way to help us be viewed in a better lite is to stop using the term e-cig and use vaping instead. That's something each one of us can do, I'm probably more in the habit of using "e-cig" then most but I'm trying to remember not too. I wish they would change the name of this forum!

A modification would be nice even...

Welcome to the world's largest e-cigarette vaping website The voice of vaping since 2007

 

[SlickWilly]

A modification would be nice even...

Welcome to the world's largest e-cigarette vaping website The voice of vaping since 2007

I agree, that would be in the right direction. I can understand the downside of changing a well established website and I'm sure it would have some degree of finical impact. That said, being such a leading forum in the industry, I think there is some responsibility on the shoulders of the owners to keep vaping viewed as positive as possible.

 

[supertrunker]

i'm not seeing how you get China for instance to tow the line on standardised mods. Nobody but the end user is responsible for their safety.

My suggestion is that an industry-wide agreed format for rating batteries is used, so there is not the current (hehe) confusion over CDR and pulse ratings and misleading wrappings calling 10A batteries good for 35A etc.

That won't stop cloud-chasing idiots like me from building low builds in mechanical mods, but it may make things clearer and safer for new vapers.

T

 

[Icemanxxxv]

Well, it didn't take Eleaf long to jump on the bandwagon, with a twist.... Gotta admit, it's cute.
iStick Pico Kit Firmware Upgradeable - iSmoka/Eleaf electronic cigarette

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Grabbed one for 34.00 US seller. Didn't feel the wait for Fasttech was worth paying 8 bucks less. Didn't get the combo just bought the mod.

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[SlickWilly]

Grabbed one for 34.00 US seller. Didn't feel the wait for Fasttech was worth paying 8 bucks less. Didn't get the combo just bought the mod.

Sent from my SM-G900T3 using Tapatalk

Let me know what you think, I'm thinking it might be handy for when I'm out mowing the lawn and need a small pocket mod. Looking at that pic again, I think they either doctored that photo to make it look smaller then it is or they found someone with very large hands.

 

[Icemanxxxv]

Let me know what you think, I'm thinking it might be handy for when I'm out mowing the lawn and need a small pocket mod. Looking at that pic again, I think they either doctored that photo to make it look smaller then it is or they found someone with very large hands.

I'll put it through the paces and report back


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[SlickWilly]

Well it's warmed up and the sun is out. I'm going outside to get some things done then BBQ this afternoon, haven't grilled yet this year. Have a good day everyone, catch ya later in the day.

 

[mikepetro]

i'm not seeing how you get China for instance to tow the line on standardised mods. .....

Apple, Craftsman, Dewalt, Black & Decker, Dell, and many others have done it. Sure it is competing standards, but one thing most of them have in common is several levels of safety on the battery itself, regardless of what the device they are hooked to does.

Think of it as no such thing as an unprotected 18650,,,,
(runs and ducks after that one)

 

[supertrunker]

What safety do these batteries have that are inbuilt then? The only thing i see is that they are correctly labelled and matched to the loads they are supposed to deal with.

Nobody using an IPhone expects to get 70W from it!

I'll leave the protected v unprotected thing alone, since we were told that it was 'safer chemistry yanno' and therefore safer than before.

T