age verification requirements kick in as of today for online sales (and b&m sales but that's easily done)
I saw that on MBV site, they just subbed it out to a third party.
So am I right to assume nothing else changes for 2 Years?
I saw that on MBV site, they just subbed it out to a third party.
So am I right to assume nothing else changes for 2 Years?
let's see how much that adds to pricing -
there are also label requirements for vendors but yes, anything on the market yesterday should be available for the next 2 years ..
I stopped by my local store last week, asked them what's the biggest things that are going to change for them. They said the two main things were, they can't offer taste testing and they can't build coils for customers because that would be considered selling an unapproved tobacco product. 
From a video I watched, anything sold that's to be used with vaping will now be a tobacco product, wires, battery's, drip tips, no nic VG or PG, everything...... Good luck with that FDA 
From a video I watched, anything sold that's to be used with vaping will now be a tobacco product, wires, battery's, drip tips, no nic VG or PG, everything...... Good luck with that FDA 
Back on the 5th when I ordered a 250 mod from Evolv I had to do the age verification thing.age verification requirements kick in as of today for online sales (and b&m sales but that's easily done)
Door to door cash only under the table builders.....Umm. Maybe It's time to change professions again....LOL
I stopped by my local store last week, asked them what's the biggest things that are going to change for them. They said the two main things were, they can't offer taste testing and they can't build coils for customers because that would be considered selling an unapproved tobacco product.
You can still buy premade coils?
So as of today any new American made vaping product is considered tobacco products!
How do they plan on enforcing that? Who is going to pay for the new vaping product watch dog?
Im sure the China companies are not going to stop making new products today, So how could they possibly regulate this manufacture date of 08/08/16
Didn't the FDA just give the rest of the vaping industry an un fair advantage?
The FDA has their collective head stuck up their collective rear orifices. Normal situation for any Governmental agency. We all know the Government can do anything better and perfectly, like protecting us from imagined hazards or lack of common sense.
1 case scenario comes to mind rite away, A month from now a revolutionary new atty comes out of China.
Whats to stop Americans from ordering it rite from FT, & having it delivered to their US address?
Whats to stop Americans from ordering it rite from FT, & having it delivered to their US address?
A little thing called "Customs" could catch a lot of stuff. All it takes is one person getting nailed, hard, and the game will change big time.
no idea yet but back in 2010 there were a lot of china shipments confiscated by us customs till njoy won that battle in the courts .........
Really! Customs checks very little % of incoming packages. We all know that, on drugs inc the TV show they show how people us USPS to send drugs! So now their shifting priority to vape gear?
Plus who is going to open all these packages and determine the manufacture date?
No one said they will be effective, just that the possibility exists.
I believe it will be us vendors protecting their market share & complaining that FT is selling new equip that will force them to stop on specific complaints.
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I doesn't take a lot of imagination to see that checking a few packages marked "flashlight" or "flashlight parts" will become a regular practice in the near future for US Customs. Heck, they'd probably enjoy checking every package from Fastech or Gearbest just for the heck of it. We do have to have our rules you know.
Dont underestimate the ability of Customs to hamper imports if they so choose.
Most all big companies (FT, Gearbest, etc) file Customs Declarations electronically. Then everything goes into a big database. These databases have "White Lists" and "Black Lists". It is trivial for them to segregate anything FROM a certain company, or TO a certain recipient, or filter certain words in a description. This got demonstrated in the textile world a while back, where they stopped a lot of counterfeit garments.
Now, shippers are rather creative in adapting and evading, for example my last few FT packages were declared as "Electronic Gadgets". However, Customs is not stupid either, they know how to play the cat and mouse game.
They have the ability, it all comes down to whether or not they choose to address it. The rhyme and reason of which evades me. For example you can get v|agra/val|um/amb|en all day long from India, and I sincerely doubt the "Health Supplement Sample" Customs Declaration is fooling anybody. So if they are not choosing to enforce the prescription drug thing, one has to wonder if they will care about the vape thing.
Just dont underestimate them, they have the technology and the ability to do a lot of damage if they so choose.
Most all big companies (FT, Gearbest, etc) file Customs Declarations electronically. Then everything goes into a big database. These databases have "White Lists" and "Black Lists". It is trivial for them to segregate anything FROM a certain company, or TO a certain recipient, or filter certain words in a description. This got demonstrated in the textile world a while back, where they stopped a lot of counterfeit garments.
Now, shippers are rather creative in adapting and evading, for example my last few FT packages were declared as "Electronic Gadgets". However, Customs is not stupid either, they know how to play the cat and mouse game.
They have the ability, it all comes down to whether or not they choose to address it. The rhyme and reason of which evades me. For example you can get v|agra/val|um/amb|en all day long from India, and I sincerely doubt the "Health Supplement Sample" Customs Declaration is fooling anybody. So if they are not choosing to enforce the prescription drug thing, one has to wonder if they will care about the vape thing.
Just dont underestimate them, they have the technology and the ability to do a lot of damage if they so choose.
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I "think" this is also the date where shops are no longer allowed to mix ejuice behind the counter.So 08/ 08/ 16 The dreaded day
What actually changes today? I checked a few American web sites,
I can't see any changes. Even 100mg nic is still for sale.
So is the significance of today that the 2 year clock starts to tick down?
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Your points are all good & true, But! Customs is all ready over worked, at some point they will have to prioritize what they scrutinize. You can't just keep piling more work on government agencies with out increasing their budget! So Back to who pays for the Vape Gear Watch Dog?
Passing new laws is the easy part, implementing & policing are a whole other thing.
On another note FT routinely sends package into Canada as gifts from "Mr Chin" Not! declaring anything to Customs for import tax's. How/why can they get away with that?
This whole deeming thing will just put American manufactures at a disadvantage, it will not stop new vape gear from coming in from China
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