Evolv-ing Thread

[Rossum]

I went from 18mg to 6mg a couple weeks ago.

18 straight to 6?

On the same gear?

Early on I tried dropping from 18 to 12. Nope. Not satisfying. Mixed the 12 with some 18 I had left to get 15; that was OK. I stayed there for several years. Have dropped very slowly (0.5 mg at a time) from there. I'm now at 13 and I don't feel like I'm ready to go lower.

Some of us will probably never be quite right without a sufficient dose of vitamin N.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I'll let some time pass and try a gradual reduction.

I started at 12 and mix my own. Slowly over 2½ years, I've dropped by 2mg/ml at a time, and monitor my puffs via ecig stats as all my mods are DNAs. Now at 4mg/ml. Puffs and volume per day still the same.
There was only one drop in nic level when I checked and my puffs had spiked, so I wasn't ready for the drop in nic, and went back up.

 

[kiba]

Are you attacking air brakes? As I have used both and I like either or. You could setup an automobile to use air brakes too. Although you would need an air compressor and an air tank. Yeah there is over 7 billion people on the planet and I think maybe 2 of them would actually buy an automobile with air brakes. No, I wouldn't be one of them. [emoji38]

So what's up with semi trucks and air brakes? Well the truck itself could use either hydraulic or air and either would work just fine. But you also have that darn trailer to worry about. Sure you could use hydraulic fluid. But making and breaking a hydraulic connection all of the time will only result in getting air into the line. I don't know about you, but I never got hydraulics and air to play well with one another. And I don't think many truckers really want to bleed the brakes every time they up connect to a trailer either. So using air instead of hydraulics solves those problems.

No I'm just saying it's a different system, but still I think hydraulic is slightly better for performance considering the instant response time & the way fluid dynamics work in a hydraulic system vs the squishyness of air [emoji28]. If you had air brakes in a regular car, imo that would just make things more complicated without any real gain. imo.

What you said about trucks though intrigues me it is something I've wondered for a while, obviously to have a hydraulic system in a truck it'd take more time when hooking up but do truck drivers have to hook up often enough to make that a problem? (I actually don't know) the other thing I've wondered about is like the one which is used on our boat trailer; an separate hydraulic system in the trailer which is actuated by an electrical signal from a harness which hooks up next to the hitch. That one works rather well & takes all of a second to hook up.

Having nic withdraws, I tried hard to stick with a reduction in my nic levels, afraid I was too drastic, I went from 18mg to 6mg a couple weeks ago. I've been doing good until the last few days when I started having those old feelings when I went without a cig for too long. I can't leave the mods alone for more then ten minuets and when I wake I really have the craving. I'm going back to 18, I can't take it, I'll let some time pass and try a gradual reduction.

Maybe try 9 instead but imo you had the right idea, drink caffeine & just try to get through that first day if you can, you'll be surprised how quickly your body gets used to it & the cravings will only last a fixed amount of time which is probably different for each person. I'm at 3 now but I've had to do it quite a few times & if the cravings aren't debilitating my preference is to do it all at once vs a gradual reduction.

 

[SlickWilly]

Yup from 18 to 6, to be honest I didn't think I'd make it but the first day passed, then another and I just kept going. I'm surprised so much time passed and now all the sudden these really bad cravings hit me like this, I was doing so well.

So confession time, there was a "tiny little bit" of laziness involved. The juice I buy from Broke D is 6mg, the highest they make, I've never cared what the nic level of any juice has been, I always bought what ever the best bargain was at the time for the juice's I like and just adjust the nic myself. I just got lazy one night when I realized I used up all my 18mg juice but had bottles of the 6 I hadn't open yet so I just used that for the night figuring the next morning I'd adjust the nic, but the next day, more of the lazy .... and then a day had passed... From there I thought I'd stick with it and see if I could drop my level, yeah too much of a drop but still surprised I made it for weeks without a hitch.

 

[kiba]

Yeah your body might of just waited till then to hit you with the cravings, but from my experience those bad cravings only ever lasted me a day, caffeine does help. I think it works on the same brain receptors.

 

[awsum140]

Willie, don't be in a rush to drop that quickly! Like Wayneo said, do it 2mg at a time. I started at 18, too, and dropped 2mg once or twice a year, DIY makes it really easy to do, and I'm now down at 4mg. As far as puff count/liquid consumption, I stopped keeping track and let Mother Nature take her course. Nicotine can be a real devil to overcome so take it slow.

 

[awsum140]

Another dodge might be to eat a lot of broccoli, that has nicotine in it, too!

 

[Steamer861]

Willie, don't be in a rush to drop that quickly!

Couldn't agree more! Drop very slowly & make sure your not compensating, by vaping more!

 

[Rossum]

What you said about trucks though intrigues me it is something I've wondered for a while, obviously to have a hydraulic system in a truck it'd take more time when hooking up but do truck drivers have to hook up often enough to make that a problem? (I actually don't know) the other thing I've wondered about is like the one which is used on our boat trailer; an separate hydraulic system in the trailer which is actuated by an electrical signal from a harness which hooks up next to the hitch. That one works rather well & takes all of a second to hook up.

It could certainly be done with an electrical connection and a separate hydraulic system for the trailer, but that would likely be more expensive, and it would be difficult to get to the intrinsic level of "fail-safe" that air brakes have.

 

[Rossum]

I started at 12 and mix my own. Slowly over 2½ years, I've dropped by 2mg/ml at a time, and monitor my puffs via ecig stats as all my mods are DNAs. Now at 4mg/ml. Puffs and volume per day still the same.
There was only one drop in nic level when I checked and my puffs had spiked, so I wasn't ready for the drop in nic, and went back up.

How well does puff count correlate with actual liquid consumption for you?

My mech squonkers don't count puffs, or puff duration, or anything else like that. I just watch my juice consumption. My criteria for dropping nic level is when a 120 ml bottle consistently lasts me 4 weeks. Right now, I'm not quite there...

 

[ShamrockPat]

How well does puff count correlate with actual liquid consumption for you?

Not being scientific at all, just looking at the graph lines for the first time in a few months, I'm around 400 puffs per day and use 12-15 ml per day. I was over 800 puffs for when I dropped my nic too soon. I have no idea if this matters at all, but primarily a TC vaper (except dry burning and flavor testing) with all sorts of different materials and construction

 

[Alexander Mundy]

18mg/ml is as low as I care to go. I started at 36 and weaned down but at 15 no one wanted to be around me. I am MTL on mech's with RM2 clones I make and around 0.6 ohms so around 30 watts when the battery is fresh and 26 watts typically when I refill and put a fresh battery in. Depending on the day I will go through 6 to 10 ml. I literally just cleaned 3 mods and am changing coils and just tried a 0.8 ohm coil in the first but that isn't going to cut it so I'm going to go back to a 1.2mm mandrel instead of the 1.7mm one I just wrapped with.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Amazing how that little bit of wire sticking out of the back of the posts makes such a difference from so so to awesome.

Mechs do make getting a coil / atty combo just right an art so we are a dying breed.

 

[cigatron]

Couldn't agree more! Drop very slowly & make sure your not compensating, by vaping more!

Whoa now, I always vaped more for a while after dropping nic levels, I'd say that's normal for most folks.

I reduced my nic in 33% increments from 24mg to 6mg over the course of a year, then I took the plunge to 3mg.Every time I reduced nic I chain vaped for a week or so and then the urges gradually tapered off to the same ml/day as before. That's the only way it was tolerable for me anyway.

 

[awsum140]

There are days I chain vape all day, just like I chain smoked on some days. I think it's kind of a reflex type action to outside stress or, at least, perceived stress. Dropping the nic level a little at a time Ive never noticed a change in overall vaping behavior.

I've been battling with a PC I just rebuilt. It kept crashing for no apparent reason. Long story short, the CPU cooler wasn't seated properly even though it looked like it was so the CPU would get hot and shut down to protect itself. Since I got that straightened out I've been battling some backup software. I have a dripper in the office and over the last week I've gone through at least 60ml on it while working on (cursing at) that PC. Stress tends to do that to those of us addicted to the whole smoking/vaping thing.

 

[kiba]

Another dodge might be to eat a lot of broccoli, that has nicotine in it, too!

Potatoes/tomatoes also, (I don't like tomatoes... ya I know I'm a poor excuse for an Italian) but the idea is to consume less nic [emoji39]

Btw I remember reading about a nic you could buy, that was made from tomatoes, I never bought it though bc it was really expensive... The people who did said it tasted clean, but wasn't really worth the cost vs nude nic.

It could certainly be done with an electrical connection and a separate hydraulic system for the trailer, but that would likely be more expensive, and it would be difficult to get to the intrinsic level of "fail-safe" that air brakes have.

What makes it more safe though?

Also the trailer ones can even have ABS now, we have the non-abs but it was an option.

 

[cigatron]

I think it's kind of a reflex type action to outside stress or, at least, perceived stress.

I can testify to that brother, My daughter, son and 7 grandkids are at my house right now.

 

[kiba]

Hey quick question I have a regular dna 250 box with me, just 2 batts no charger, which model had the balanced charging via USB? & if so what amperage does it need to be 2/1?

 

[ShamrockPat]

@kiba All the 2xx boards have balanced charging. 1A total for the 200, 2A for the 250s.

 

[dwcraig1]

Even a 500 ma will work OK, just slowly