"Experienced Vapers'" SNOBBERY

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I see it somewhat in this new attitude that mechanical mods are only for sub ohm cloud chasers, otherwise they're supposedly too dangerous....

I TOTALLY agree with you there. If you want to see snobbery about vaping, mention mech mods. There is a group of people who believe mech mods are ONLY for building your own massive coil setups that push the battery safety to the limits.


I mention something as obvious as using an off the shelf topper with one and get blank stares like they didn't even know that was possible and the very idea that someone would do such a thing offends them. I've had to tell more than one member here that a mech mod with an off the shelf topper and retail coils is already designed to operate well within the safe limits of the battery, and thus all of their concerns about safety are eliminated.


You really should see the reaction I get when I tell some people I set my wife up with a mech mod and an iClear 30s topper. I call it a 3 day eGo. With a 2900 mAh battery she can go 3 days without recharging. Battery safety lessons for my wife? Why bother when the coils are all store bought and thus are already designed to be safe with a wide safety margin to spare.
 
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I haven't seen any snobbery, unless it's directed at Provari users. :)

And here's a hot guy vaping because why not?

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Hey Coelli. Where'd you get that picture of me? Has one of my ex's been posting inappropriate stuff online again? :laugh::laugh::blush::oops:
 

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it could just be an Alaskan thing.

We have t shirts we wear just for the tourist season which we refer to as terrorist season. The front of the t shirt says "Hi welcome to Alaska" the back says "Now leave".

I don't share that view, I love Alaska and want everyone else to love it too. I am always trying to convince people to come visit.

I lived in Fairbanks, AK (Ft Wainwright technically) for four years and I loved it. Though after a bit I did hate tourist season. But that's how Fairbanks stays afloat, it was just the horrible driving and traffic that bothered me really. That was our first duty station, and I wouldn't have traded it for anything. I kinda want to go again now that we can afford to do more. And to see if vape freezes on exhale :D
 

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I actually agree that there's some elitism among vapors. In my experience, it's less common in areas where it's been around and is more common than where it's newer and starting to grow. I really took the higher end plunge in Cali while I was on leave for my vow renewel. I spent like 4 hours in a shop in the Sacramento area and it was great. The people who worked there and the customers were all very friendly. It didn't matter what mod you were using, or whether you were a cloud chaser, or whatever, the bond was around vaping--this place really was more or less a lounge rather than just a shop. Actually, all four shops I went to were like that.

Well, after my leave ended, I came back to miserable Virginia and a buddy of mine looked at my stuff. He actually talked negatively because the coils weren't perfectly spaced, lol. He would go on and on about it, showing the true donkey within. I eventually got annoyed to the point I returned his jests in kind. I later asked him where he got that mentality from cuz no one outside of maybe VA, cares. Ideally, sure, they'd be evenly spaced all around but it really isn't necessary so long as it works and hits the desired mark you're aiming for.

The shops in the area (Richmond) are also much less inviting. They seem to have an, "Eh, haven't seen you before" kind of attitude that is very unattractive. Several of the employees are barely knowledgeable in their craft and don't bother explaining some of the most basic safety issues regarding ecigs (sub-ohm, non tamper resistant containers and infants, etc). Seems being equipped with the most basic info to make a sale is all that's required.

That's really unfortunate of VA then. I was worried about the same issue when I first started out. But here in Massachusetts, the few shops I've been to have been a really inviting culture. Shop workers and fellow vapors in the store were very helpful. Much like your experience in California, it felt more like a lounge than a store.
 

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I've been teaching the guys in my local shop about vaping, coil builds, juice, batteries etc. they are a tobacco/head shop that has diversified into vaping. I visited one in NH last week and spent an hour educating the owner and a few folks there. The owner of that shop told me juice sales three months in have started out pacing tobacco sales. Good and bad news, the government is going to want to make up the loss in tobacco tax refunds.
 

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Both of the B&Ms I've been to around here are pretty decent places; one is just a small store-front, but the guy is a vaper, and carries several lines of e-juice, and different sorts of PVs and topper, from the budget to the kind you save up for. I got my T3S there. The other is a big place with a lounge and couches and easy chairs and a thurs night workshop on vaping minutiae -- I'm planning to attend one or more of those myself, to learn about this stuff about cleaning and dry-burning coils, and at some point even rebuilding them.

My only problem with B&Ms is that everything they sell is overpriced; of course I understand why, they have overhead in having a physical storefront that an online shop doesn't have, but it's still *always* an issue for me, do I order something sight-unseen, taste-untasted, online and save money, or do I spend twice as much for something I can point to, hold in my hand, taste, etc.

I also have a serious issue with the nearly constant recommendations I hear about nic level -- "start high, you can always reduce." It's very difficult to reduce the nic of a juice, you have to add LOTS! or zero of low-nic juice to do it -- or you have to buy more, which is not always possible for some of us. This happened to me at the bigger place in town, they recommended I start at 18mg because I had smoked between a half and a full pack a day -- they didn't take into consideration that a) I smoked ultra-lights (6mg) for 20 yrs, or b) that to me, nausea is a "fate worse than death." I think it's much wiser to start low, and if it doesn't curb your cravings, go a little higher, in small increments. That way you can avoid the nic-sick, and keep a positive attitude to continuing. I still have 95% of that $16 bottle of 18mg, because it takes so little of it to raise a nic level; I may still be adding it to my 6mg for the next year.

This isn't at all like AA, where if you're quitting the drink, you have to do it all at once, and if you "slip" and have one, you have to start all over again with a white chip. Although I've heard many stories at this point about folks who started vaping and IMMEDIATELY laid down the smokes, I don't think that's true at all for most of us; most of us kept smoking less and less until they just tasted so bad compared to the vapes, what was the point of continuing something so expensive, fatal, and nasty-tasting? So why make yourself ill with a nic level that's too high? You don't really know what's too high until you have it, and THAT is the most awful feeling; FAR better to start low, see how it affects you, and maybe increase it if it seems advisable.

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Yes, i have noticed with SOME shops. There is a shop near my house that I avoid like the plague after a single visit. I was checking to see if they had any aspire coil replacements "We don't use anything with wicks. We only use cartomizers here...". the inflection was revealing enough.

Ok....business lost then...see ya....

On the other hand, SNS sales and Vape Hard Cafe have been great to me - good people, highly recommended for hampton roads folks
 

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Yes, i have noticed with SOME shops. There is a shop near my house that I avoid like the plague after a single visit. I was checking to see if they had any aspire coil replacements "We don't use anything with wicks. We only use cartomizers here...". the inflection was revealing enough.

Ok....business lost then...see ya....

On the other hand, SNS sales and Vape Hard Cafe have been great to me - good people, highly recommended for hampton roads folks

They are loosing a ton of business if they only sell cartomizer tanks. Variety is the spice of life. Just ask Target and Walmart!!!! Perhaps the attitude was because they know this and missed the boat on stocking up. The wicked systems are cutting into their sales and their upset about it. You could have been the 5th person to come in that day and ask for a BDC. Now their business is loosing money and they can't restock with Aspire tanks because the business can't afford it. Doesn't that suck!!! To make matters worse, They have a ton of inventory they can't move!!! Gotta move with the new products but which ones to hang your hat on?:toast:
 

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I will say those differences probably were intensified by the fact that one store was a company with their own branded hardware and juice and web store...versus the one that caries several vendors of hardware and juice..

The branded store was the one that eliminated carrying atomizers (outside of the ego-t) and cartos and carto tanks...
 
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I will say those differences probably were intensified by the fact that one store was a company with their own branded hardware and juice and web store...versus the one that caries several vendors of hardware and juice..

Also a valid example. So what I am trying to say is, it might not be true Snobbery at times. It may just be you are catching a fallible human being at a bad time. Don't get me wrong, there are snobs out there but sometimes I think we can be oversensitive (myself especially) and react to someone. All that said though, as the ecig business continues to grow, the successful companies will be the ones with friendly costumer service and reach out to the most customers with a variety of products.
 

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Its funny how our individual perceptions work with or without "baggage." Case in point: I'm pretty far up there in age and my first trip into a B&M I found a whole flock of young people (under 35 I think but mostly under 30) and when treated rather cooly by the staff, I was sure it was because they didn't want older folks in there... maybe didn't want to become known as an "old folks" place? Later I read here and found everyone who went there got the same cold shoulder I had gotten. They just have disinterested, lazy, staff. Another example was feeling an owner at a B&M was a snob... long story I won't go into... but turned out he's really just a pretty extreme introvert. So there you have it. Should he stay in the back room mixing and let the extroverts tend the counter... for sure... but I was way off in my assessments in both cases. Oh, I had another one too. Again a case of thinking the owner was a snob... turns out he didn't know his products and offered me a job because I did. I have to agree on the youtube thing though. I quit reading comments because of it after one of my favorite reviewers/educators was driven right off youtube because of the rude/snobby gang that went on the attack. I won't verse my complete opinion of those types other than to say they're weazely, creepy, cowardly, brainless, little twirps... not to mention sorely lacking in everything that speaks to "normal."
 
They are loosing a ton of business if they only sell cartomizer tanks. Variety is the spice of life. Just ask Target and Walmart!!!! Perhaps the attitude was because they know this and missed the boat on stocking up. The wicked systems are cutting into their sales and their upset about it. You could have been the 5th person to come in that day and ask for a BDC. Now their business is loosing money and they can't restock with Aspire tanks because the business can't afford it. Doesn't that suck!!! To make matters worse, They have a ton of inventory they can't move!!! Gotta move with the new products but which ones to hang your hat on?:toast:

Totally agree. The shop was on the news one evening during a segment about ecigs. The guy interviewed noted they stick to "high end" supplies. It's almost like they are niche within the niche ecig market. The store is in the downtown Norfolk area. I'm guessing they have some devoted and happy customers, but for me and the gear i prefer to use, i drive the extra 6-7 miles to ecig stores where i'm wanted :)
 

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We have a great B&M shop locally. Oh sure, when you choke tasting a new flavor (they are all free and they will even lend you a battery) you can expect a round of laughs and a couple of "NooB" comments, but it's all in good fun. They also claim to be a "high end" store, but the service is great. They even filled my wife's tank for her! Honestly, I'll pay a little more for all the service (and teasing and atmosphere) that I get there. I'm saving enough not smoking analogs that I can justify it. They need to get some rebuilding materials in tho...
 

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We have a great B&M shop locally. Oh sure, when you choke tasting a new flavor (they are all free and they will even lend you a battery) you can expect a round of laughs and a couple of "NooB" comments, but it's all in good fun. They also claim to be a "high end" store, but the service is great. They even filled my wife's tank for her! Honestly, I'll pay a little more for all the service (and teasing and atmosphere) that I get there. I'm saving enough not smoking analogs that I can justify it. They need to get some rebuilding materials in tho...

Sounds like my favorite Shop. it's like walking into Cheers. When I first started, they showed me how to do EVERYTHING, and assembled and filled my first tank for me. it's a very social place (of course it's also a lounge). Family owned and operated, and their juice prices are about even with the online prices I've seen so I only buy there.
 
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