Exploding mods -- Discussion

[raqball]

If this is not allowed then please feel free to delete this thread....

I have read the Exploding mods thread here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post1128521

But it is locked and won't allow discussion so I though it would be a good idea to discuss this in depth..

Here is my opinion...

I can understand the ECF's stance on this but the issue I have is it's regulation... Is this not what the FDA is trying to do?

Now I do see the other side of the coin here... If mods keep blowing up, the FDA gets more ammo...

I think the ECF should have some kind of stamp of approval and any device that does not meet the ECF standards should state so but still be allowed to be sold.

Also, maybe a sticky at the top of every manufacturer forum with links to trusted protected batteries and chargers..

We are grown adults and the last thing I want is more regulation placed upon me... If I choose to buy a non ECF approved device then that's my choice but I should have that choice....

This also creates many other issues.... How does the ECF verify the device? Many devices can take a 14500 protected battery but can also hold CR2 unprotected batteries ect....

Is this now a non ECF approved device? The ECF can't control how a user will operate the device once it leave the sellers hands...

I am really not quite sure how this would even be possible given all the different battery combinations that will work in most devices...

Maybe the best way to handle this is a warning about batteries in every sub forum and having the manufacturers post approved protected batteries and chargers for the devices they sell...

The FDA is already trying to regulate us and the last thing I want is more restrictions placed on me or the dealers I purchase from...

My .02

Kris

 

[Elapid]

Did you read this part? "ECF has no wish to control or to organise such a committee, for two reasons:

- It needs to be an independent industry body
- If ECF runs it then decisions are legally attributable to ECF"

And this specifically states as an interim, which is just for a short term until a regulating body can be established. "An outline for an ECF Interim Mod Safety Specification."

 

[ZERO]

I highly doubt ECF would like to be liable for something they do not manufacture.

 

[ejoker]

if they dub it as 'safe' and it explodes and harms someone they could be.

 

[Shelbeethehmmrgirl]

I just have the questions of how soon this will be enforced? Will suppliers be given time to comply? And if the site sells more than mods will ECF refuse to promote any products they sell as well? What about modder supply sites like mad vapes? And the modders section? I guess I am asking how ECF will implement this in the ECF community?

 

[raqball]

I guess my point is that I am 44 years old and responsible for my own choices and decisions... For someone else to tell me / direct me in any way is a form of regulation..

If I decide to vape unprotected batteries then no one is liable but me... I'd think the device and battery makers have more at stake here as they are the ones who *could* be held liable...

I applaud the ECF for wanting to make e cigs safer and their has to be a way to do without regulating what I can and can't buy...

If I can't buy it through the ECF then I can and will find it elsewhere...

I assume the OP of the sticky thread speaks for the ECF....

My .02

Kris

 

[Drozd]

Honestly...I think that the new ECF stance on it is stupid..
This is coming after the most recent issue with a mod I'm assuming and the position offered up by the website manager is that essentially the mod is to blame..

Well it isn't...lets examine the facts from this most recent case..
The User ordered cheap no name batteries from a supplier that were not indicated as either protected...or even rechargeable for that matter..
The User didn't even get the batteries ordered but the battery reseller substituted other batteries to fill the order...
The User chose to recharge these un-named, non protected, non rechargeable batteries and use them...
The mod was not designed to use these batteries and the batteries were not intended for this type of application...
So this incident falls squarely on the sholders of the end user...

 

[raqball]

Well said....

I like the fact the ECF wants to make e cigs safer.... Heck, I think we all want that...

My problem is that it's regulation... Just like the FDA is trying to do... I believe the ECF should be about information getting out and that includes the good and the bad....

As a forum, I don't see where they fit into all this... The dealers pay for space so to speak... Kind of like a flea market... They in essence rent the space to sell a product and I don't see where the ECF has any liability whatsoever....

I think it's great that the ECF wants safer mods.. My mods are already safe... I only vape at 3.7 and only use protected batteries....

Kris

 

[Shelbeethehmmrgirl]

I agree, ECF is trying to set standards but are saying that they are only till others set standards. They are in effect deciding what mods are safe or not safe and setting the rules even if it is just until they can hand the responibility to someone else. Where did the days go when I was considered an intelligent human being and could read and decide for myself? I think ECF is doing what need to be done by providing information so people can make an informed choice on if and how they want to use Big battery mods.

 

[Charged]

Not in at all. The fact of the matter is batteries are produced to provide power. The more power I can get the more happy I am. Screw the safety aspect of it all. I want more energy delivery. If your scared then don't do mods....

 

[Keegan1014]

Not in at all. The fact of the matter is batteries are produced to provide power. The more power I can get the more happy I am. Screw the safety aspect of it all. I want more energy delivery. If your scared then don't do mods....

Hell yeah, aint scared

 

[raqball]

Not in at all. The fact of the matter is batteries are produced to provide power. The more power I can get the more happy I am. Screw the safety aspect of it all. I want more energy delivery. If your scared then don't do mods....

Hell yeah, aint scared

Can we please not turn his into a HV debate... I am not afraid of HV, I just don't like it...

This thread is about batteries and the ECF wanting to limit what suppliers can sell...

Kris

 

[Charged]

Sorry I'll bow out.

 

[jaded]

I don't see the point in banning mods from ECF it would just let people get less info to safely use mods.

 

[Drozd]

I would think that it would also put them on the hook legally...if ECF says it's safe...and I choose to use it in an uneducated fashion and get myself hurt.....well ECF said it was safe..so bam theres another defendant to a possible lawsuit..

 

[jaded]

I would think that it would also put them on the hook legally...if ECF says it's safe...and I choose to use it in an uneducated fashion and get myself hurt.....well ECF said it was safe..so bam theres another defendant to a possible lawsuit..

If thats the case simply add a disclaimer "The safety of this product is not known." As users of the forum I don't think you could be held accountable for recommending a mod.

 

[raqball]

Sorry I'll bow out.

No, please stay here with the discussion

 

[raqball]

I would think that it would also put them on the hook legally...if ECF says it's safe...and I choose to use it in an uneducated fashion and get myself hurt.....well ECF said it was safe..so bam theres another defendant to a possible lawsuit..

I simply don't even know how they'd attempt do implement such a policy... I am thinking that every mod out there can take 2 or 3 or 4 different sized batteries... Are they going to approve the device for one battery then disapprove it for another? It's the same device....

If thats the case simply add a disclaimer "The safety of this product is not known." As users of the forum I don't think you could be held accountable for recommending a mod.

A forum should be about information sharing and nothing else... I can see if they wanted to put a disclaimer about batteries or if they wanted device makers to list the safe / recommended batteries for their device(s) as a sticky...

I don't want or need more regulation in my life... I am an adult and would like to be treated as such...

Kris

 

[CaSHMeRe]

I would think that it would also put them on the hook legally...if ECF says it's safe...

Drozd ... No where will you find an ECF Admin stating something is safe or unsafe. Admin/Mods really don't share much of their opinion due to this stance.

ECF - Being a GREAT and Essential learning tool for new and expert vapers alike is a discussion forum and should be left as such. Staying *nonpartisan* (as far as ECF management goes) is key to keeping the overall forums Neutral.

 

[BuzzKill]

I am surprised more explosions haven't happened yet , unprotected batt's, home made switches , literally no testing that is mentioned anywhere that I have seen .

Users who do not understand the mini bombs they are using ( batteries ) fortunately the battery makers know this and have provided protected batteries for us !

Safety with any product that is sold to the public has to be the #1 concern , otherwise disabled humans and lawsuits result .

Just my 2 cents