Exploding mods

[boomboom]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post1128521

The GG meets all criteria for a "safe" mod in that it has at least two vent holes at least 2mm in diameter, has a "kill switch" in that it incorporates a locking button and Imeo has integrated the use of safe chemistry CR123a's and has gotten rid of the Grant which incorporated unprotected CR2's.

I do believe mods need to be safer. I read about a Chuck that exploded and am so thankful that the GGTS and GGT incorporate vent holes. See link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/thag-built-chuck/75702-my-chuck-blew-up-literally.html
I am now ever fearful of using my own Chuck and will ensure I always use protected batteries. I may even drill some of my own holes in the end cap.

What about the Slim though? It does use protected batteries thus no need for vent holes. Any thoughts on the current situation?

 

[womblebat]

Good housekeeping is key here i think, sure it's dangerous to use any lithium ion batteries and even protected batteries can still vent if shorted.

Always try and use matched voltage batteries, label them if you have to, as soon as vapour drops off then replace them with a fresh set, if a battery falls below 2.1v then i just bin it, these things are still cheap, so it's not worth the risk for a few pounds/dollars.

common sense plays a major factor for safety, and the battery technology is moving on,some AW batteries are now coming with a mechanical failsafe as well as a protection pcb, it seperates the two chemicals from mixing during a short, so in theory no boom

Forgot to mention to check the wrapping on the battery, if some has come away or is missing and the bare metal from the battery touches the inside of the tube it will short out.

Use the correct charger for the correct battery, take it off the charger when the led goes green, a lot of chargers still trickle charge when the light is green, not good for your battery.

Oh and if your mod starts getting really hot, don't treat it like a hot water bottle, get it away from you quickly, just a few pointers, i'm sure a lot more experienced members can expand on this

Most of all use common sense and be safe

 

[vapn]

Yes protected batteries are good BUT they can lead you into a false sense of security by thinking "I am using protected batteries so I am safe" NO YOU ARE NOT... even protected Li Ion batteries can and will explode if they fail. Just because they say protected on them doesn't mean they are safe. I actually feel better using unprotected batteries because it makes me watch them more... and I always keep an eye on the voltages and label my batteries to keep them in pairs. I use CR2s on a daily basis in just about every one of my mods and have not had a problem yet. If the batteries look like they are flaking out I toss them...

 

[doots]

even cell phone batteries can and have exploded so no battery is totally safe..
use protected batteries only and hope for the best..

 

[harpo]

It's my choice what device, batteries and liquid I use not someone elses. I'm so tired of others trying to regulate everything I do. I know the risks of ecigs but I choose to use them as do all the others on this forum. This forum should be used only to provide the info and not regulate. If ECF starts doing this it will be time to move on.

 

[T-Hefner]

It's my choice what device, batteries and liquid I use not someone elses. I'm so tired of others trying to regulate everything I do. I know the risks of ecigs but I choose to use them as do all the others on this forum. This forum should be used only to provide the info and not regulate. If ECF starts doing this it will be time to move on.

harpo,
yeah, im actually kinda bummed about this too. I mean, I think its good for everyone to have all the information they need to make a decision on there OWN. But to go as far as not letting mod makers be on the forum...thats kinda over the top. Kinda bummed that ECF is going this route...

-Tim

 

[Drozd]

the thing about the chuck incident is that it was total user error...
the batteries were no name cheap batteries ($2 for a set of 2)..
the ones he got weren't even the same ones he ordered... the vendor had filled the order with something else..
The ones he ordered AND the ones he got weren't even labeled as rechargeable...and yet he charged them on a charger...
and they weren't protected...
in that case yeah there was gonna be a failure....
There's only so much any mod builder can do when it gets into your hands it has to become the user's responsibility expecially if they're going to go against recomendations and use it as it was not intended

 

[vapn]

Couldn't agree with you more drozd. But, the trouble is that there are some crafty lawyers out there.

 

[imeothanasis]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oding-mods-current-situation.html#post1128521

The GG meets all criteria for a "safe" mod in that it has at least two vent holes at least 2mm in diameter, has a "kill switch" in that it incorporates a locking button and Imeo has integrated the use of safe chemistry CR123a's and has gotten rid of the Grant which incorporated unprotected CR2's.

I do believe mods need to be safer. I read about a Chuck that exploded and am so thankful that the GGTS and GGT incorporate vent holes. See link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/thag-built-chuck/75702-my-chuck-blew-up-literally.html
I am now ever fearful of using my own Chuck and will ensure I always use protected batteries. I may even drill some of my own holes in the end cap.

What about the Slim though? It does use protected batteries thus no need for vent holes. Any thoughts on the current situation?

Thanks a lot my very good friend boom for this. Yes its true that GGTS meets all those criteria and even more. Its the only mod that can discontinue the batteries by unthearting the telescope. And because I am listening the facts I made 4 more holes on the back cap that I will show you soon so venting will not make GG a rocket but it will leave it almost in place.
Slim also have venting holes but now they are 3 (see the SS), so explotion will leave it again in place.
The best thing is that even if an explotion comes, GG will still work after a good cleaning.
As I have said earlier, I am making now one more safety feature exept locking button and discontinue batteries. I am putting something like fuse inside GG so it will get burned when a short happens.
One more feature that I will make is that I make better atomizer with one more safety feature so it will be very dificult to get shorted because their poles will not meet each other. Exept this, the atomizer will still works with this feature even if others would go dead.
As for ECF:
I dont think that a ban to modders is logical but a ban to mods that dont meet criteria for safe vaping has to be done. All suplliers here have made a mod. Even simple users make their mod. Thats redicolous. Many suppliers dont know anything about electricity and they spell even the ohm's law wrong but they make mods. Others copy mods without knowing what they are doing. In other mods the safety features are imaginary.

ECF is a big site so it has responsibilities. I believe that this move will clear the place and will keep people safe. We are happy now but if something serious happens then things will change. Better to do something now we are still ok.

Harpo said something good. No one can tell us what to smoke but.......... we have to warn people. There are newbies that dont know anything about e-cigs and they buy e-cigs-bombs without knowing what is really going on.

ECF does a nice move but we have to see the limits of that move.

 

[imeothanasis]

the thing about the chuck incident is that it was total user error...
the batteries were no name cheap batteries ($2 for a set of 2)..
the ones he got weren't even the same ones he ordered... the vendor had filled the order with something else..
The ones he ordered AND the ones he got weren't even labeled as rechargeable...and yet he charged them on a charger...
and they weren't protected...
in that case yeah there was gonna be a failure....
There's only so much any mod builder can do when it gets into your hands it has to become the user's responsibility expecially if they're going to go against recomendations and use it as it was not intended

a product has to be safe in many contitions, even if the user makes errors. We have to try harder for better products because we have to protect newbies and all people too

 

[Lisaf01]

It is also up to vendors to provide adequate and clear safety information on their sites and when they send out customer orders.

 

[imeothanasis]

It is also up to vendors to provide adequate and clear safety information on their sites and when they send out customer orders.

I agree to that too!

 

[T-Hefner]

It is also up to vendors to provide adequate and clear safety information on their sites and when they send out customer orders.

Good point Lisa...I feel everyone should have the info, know the risks, and know what to do in that situation....but I think there is a LINE.....Some things you cant prevent...specially someone just being very careless...

 

[boomboom]

I really like Steve's response to all of this. Sums it up very well.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...te-exploding-mods-real-current-situation.html

I know, I know, it's from the PS sub-forum. But I respect Steve a lot and he's been around a long time in the e-cig game.

 

[grimmer255]

Ive said this 2 months ago.... jeesh the GG has the best safty features along with on other mod.... and its simple as that. I need a vacation to a remote island.........

 

[MHR7331]

Use LiFepo4s and relax

I still don't understand why people choose CR2s over LiFepo4 CR123s... yeah, CR2s are smaller, but LiFepo4s won't freaking explode when venting... *sigh*

 

[boomboom]

But, what about all the nervous nellies ranting about LiFEP04's still being capable of venting?

I've never heard of a documented case, but people have some sort of fear-mongering theory that it can and has happened. Thus, the whole "OMG, you stack batteries??? You will DIE!!!!

Anyone ever heard of a documented/substantiated claim of LiFEP04's venting?

 

[MHR7331]

But, what about all the nervous nellies ranting about LiFEP04's still being capable of venting?

I've never heard of a documented case, but people have some sort of fear-mongering theory that it can and has happened. Thus, the whole "OMG, you stack batteries??? You will DIE!!!!

Anyone ever heard of a documented/substantiated claim of LiFEP04's venting?

Nope. When shorted, they get very hot... but won't explode due to their chemical composition. There was some guy who claimed his LiFEPO4 CR2 exploded, but it remains to be seen whether they weren't really mislabeled standard CR2s.

 

[boomboom]

Wasn't the guy who had the exploding Chuck using mislabelled LiFEP04's as well? Is there any way to tell if you're using LiFEP04's for sure, and not unprotected Lithium Ion's?

 

[Drozd]

Wasn't the guy who had the exploding Chuck using mislabelled LiFEP04's as well? Is there any way to tell if you're using LiFEP04's for sure, and not unprotected Lithium Ion's?

This most recent case? no they were standard non rechargeable, non protected cr123a batteries called evergreens...and even those were substituted in for what he ordered from a place called 24hourbatteries I believe...and he put them on a charger even though they weren't labeled or sold as rechargeables