Exploding mods

[Lisaf01]

I feel that I do also have to point out that there is often more danger in thinking you are protected from an explosion than knowing you aren't for sure.

Here's what I mean, take two scenarios:

1. You're using a couple of batteries that are supposed to be protected but for whatever reason, unknown to you, the protection circuit malfunctions in one of them - so you're there, happily vaping away and your batteries start to feel a bit warm. You say to yourself, "not to worry, they are protected, so if they get dangerously discharged, the protection will kick in" .......................BOOM! OOPS!
   
2. You're using a couple of CR2s, the device starts to feel a bit warm - you stop vaping because you know for sure your batteries aren't protected and extra warmth is not a good sign... Disaster averted.

Check all your batts with a voltmeter before and after using and charging. (Including protected ones). Observe the proper precautions. if you're worried about using any venting battery, use LiFEPO4 or LiMN. If you're still worried, use a GGTS on the AC passthrough.

 

[imeothanasis]

I want a mod that will protect me when the batteries will explode. And so far the GG has given me this!

And Imeo is probably the most involved person in security issues in the whole ECF, one because he cares about his own safety, being his own number one customer, two, because he cares about the safety of his own customers, because they're all his friends, and three, because Imeo is a proud man, and he is proud of his invention and proud of his reputation and he really cares about them.

I also agree about Imeo's comments on PS claims. Vents and holes, if well placed and well proportioned, do not, I repeat, do not, get you burned , but on the contrary, they divert the blast, the fire and the fumes away from you.

Thanks a lot Mist, finally someone said what I wanted to say. If I say it they dont really believe me because I am the manufacturer.
They are all true friend, thanks again

 

[obe]

I have a question that may seem silly. I use a 17670 protected Li-ion in my GGTS and it has vent holes at the positive pole. I have been inserting it with the positive pole towards the atomizer. Am I putting it in backwards? This discussion made me wonder if I should insert it with the positive end of the battery at the bottom so that the battery vent holes are next to the GGTS vent holes.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

No that's not necessary obe, that wouldn't make a substantial difference.

 

[obe]

Thanks Mist.

 

[Elendil]

And to all who think that ECF wouldn't be liable if something bad happened to a person who purchased a mod from a supplier here...............how do you know that? One of the most unpredictable things in the world is 12 jurors.......(OJ anyone??)

And many of the folks screaming about regulation would be the first people in line to sue if something happened...........

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

And to all who think that ECF wouldn't be liable if something bad happened to a person who purchased a mod from a supplier here...............how do you know that? One of the most unpredictable things in the world is 12 jurors.......(OJ anyone??)

And many of the folks screaming about regulation would be the first people in line to sue if something happened...........

Liability falls on: The manufacturer, the seller and the promoter.

To avoid liability, all what ECF needs to do, is to make sure to take as much distance from the products as possible, and this is how it's done:

Finally, ECF will be making a big mistake by getting involved in approvals and safety regulations. A very big mistake.

At most, they need to put a clear disclaimer in each section, and even make all members approve it before being able to log in again, the next time, and new members signing approval of it, before completing registration. And this disclaimer should be about all e-cigs products and derivatives, not only mods.

The moment ECF gets involved in approving mods and declining others, in declaring what is safe and what is not, it becomes directly involved, directly promoting what is good and what is not, what should be used and what should not, thus directly liable.

Then, if an accident happens, you can be sure that it will be directly responsible.

And an accident will always happen.

So ECF should stick to disclaimers and a waiver that every member signs on his first/next log in. Not a bit more.

And no moderator or administrator or any member directly affiliated to the ECF or perceived as part of its moral authority should be allowed to give any kind of opinion about any kind of product.

 

[vapn]

YES! Mist hit is on the head here. Being a lawyer of course.... but yes I feel the same way. A good disclaimer waiving all connection with vendors of said forum and all products delivered to the members are not the responsibility of the ECF. All members should KNOW up front and without doubt that the ECF is not part of nor responsible for any accident weather the users fault or the fault of the product. There is a big issue with the POISON we all handle on a daily basis. I would have thought that would be a much bigger issue than the batteries. Mist has FIRST HAND experience in this issue and probably knows all too well what to do in the event of a battery vent.... now it may be in the best interest of the ECF to take a little advice from said Lawyer. that is just my $0.02

 

[clownfish159]

Liability falls on: The manufacturer, the seller and the promoter.

To avoid liability, all what ECF needs to do, is to make sure to take as much distance from the products as possible, and this is how it's done:



The moment ECF gets involved in approving mods and declining others, in declaring what is safe and what is not, it becomes directly involved, directly promoting what is good and what is not, what should be used and what should not, thus directly liable.

Then, if an accident happens, you can be sure that it will be directly responsible.

And an accident will always happen.

So ECF should stick to disclaimers and a waiver that every member signs on his first/next log in. Not a bit more.

And no moderator or administrator or any member directly affiliated to the ECF or perceived as part of its moral authority should be allowed to give any kind of opinion about any kind of product.

Makes alot more sense.

 

[imeothanasis]

Guys, I agree with elendil and I will say why.

Have you ever see a bomb forum? A forum that people talk about explosions and how they can make the better bomb? I dont think so. To my opinion same applies here. This is a forum for e-cigs but it became a forum that everyone does what ever he thinks. I am sure that its not eligible to let a forum runs when there are dangerous games for the customer's lifes there. ECF will be totally involved if it stills runs like this.
I dont say that they will have to approve specific cigs but they have to have some serious standards. If thery try to make the forum safer that does not mean that they are directly involved to anything. ECF will stay as the best forum that takes cares of its members.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

What I am trying to understand here is why are people getting on the mod makers case about this situation? The problem is not about the mods it is a problem with the batteries isn't it?

Should mod makers be regulated into only being able to make mods at 3.7v?

If mod makers make a disclaimer with their product saying that they are not responsible for any harm or injury to a person if they use unprotected batteries isn't this sufficient?

Am I missing something here?

 

[imeothanasis]

What I am trying to understand here is why are people getting on the mod makers case about this situation? The problem is not about the mods it is a problem with the batteries isn't it?

Should mod makers be regulated into only being able to make mods at 3.7v?

If mod makers make a disclaimer with their product saying that they are not responsible for any harm or injury to a person if they use unprotected batteries isn't this sufficient?

Am I missing something here?

Gary, thats like a company sells a car without a belt. If factory informs people that their car hasnt a belt is ok? This company can sell this car? I think not.
We have to take care of people not just to inform them. If you disagree please tell me

 

[Col. Gaunt]

Gary, thats like a company sells a car without a belt. If factory informs people that their car hasnt a belt is ok? This company can sell this car? I think not.
We have to take care of people not just to inform them. If you disagree please tell me

I understand that no one want's to sell or make a product that would intentionally harm someone (except maybe Toyota, Ford, GM LOL) but how can one be responsible for someone who does not heed the warning of the maker of the product. If the maker says "Do not use this product with unprotected batteries" and someone does who is at fault?

If the manufacturer of a ladder puts a warning on their ladder that says "This product is not to be used in any fashion other then the one that it is intended for" and someone decides to use it as a scaffold and it collapses because it cannot hold the weight, who is responsible, the maker or the user?

People are going to do dumb things and no one can stop them. If we took all the products off the market that would be dangerous if not used properly then we would have nothing!

If someone wants to buy a car without a seat belt, and they are warned that this car has no seat belt and that severe injury may occur if you are in an accident but still buys the car, it is their own fault for buying it.

If you want to protect people from the possibility of harming themselves by being stupid not to heed the warnings of the maker and using something with a product that they are not supposed to then there will be only 3.7 v mods and pass throughs.

Mod makers had no idea that batteries could explode, if they did they would have never made them in the first place.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

Just some info on product liability.

Products liability | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

[imeothanasis]

I understand that no one want's to sell or make a product that would intentionally harm someone (except maybe Toyota, Ford, GM LOL) but how can one be responsible for someone who does not heed the warning of the maker of the product. If the maker says "Do not use this product with unprotected batteries" and someone does who is at fault?

If the manufacturer of a ladder puts a warning on their ladder that says "This product is not to be used in any fashion other then the one that it is intended for" and someone decides to use it as a scaffold and it collapses because it cannot hold the weight, who is responsible, the maker or the user?

People are going to do dumb things and no one can stop them. If we took all the products off the market that would be dangerous if not used properly then we would have nothing!

If someone wants to buy a car without a seat belt, and they are warned that this car has no seat belt and that severe injury may occur if you are in an accident but still buys the car, it is their own fault for buying it.

If you want to protect people from the possibility of harming themselves by being stupid not to heed the warnings of the maker and using something with a product that they are not supposed to then there will be only 3.7 v mods and pass throughs.

Mod makers had no idea that batteries could explode, if they did they would have never made them in the first place.

I agree friend but we live and learn. As we learn we have to improve the safety of products. Its illegal to sell a product without CE agree? Why CE is here? To check if a product meets the safety that required. We just cant make products just warning friend. Mods dont have CE so one more reason to make them as safe as we can. And its not good at all for someone who knows the dangers and still dont do anything about it.

Thats my opinion. I know that you will disagree with me but no worries buddy

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I agree friend but we live and learn. As we learn we have to improve the safety of products. Its illegal to sell a product without CE agree? Why CE is here? To check if a product meets the safety that required. We just cant make products just warning friend. Mods dont have CE so one more reason to make them as safe as we can. And its not good at all for someone who knows the dangers and still dont do anything about it.

Thats my opinion. I know that you will disagree with me but no worries buddy

No Imeo, I agree with you totally. I just feel it unfair that mods have to suffer because of unsafe batteries.

But besides vent holes and warnings, how can you make a mod safer when it's the batteries that are causing the problem?

 

[imeothanasis]

No Imeo, I agree with you totally. I just feel it unfair that mods have to suffer because of unsafe batteries.

But besides vent holes and warnings, how can you make a mod safer when it's the batteries that are causing the problem?

its simple Gary my good friend.

vent holes
system to discontinue batteries
lock button
fuse

GG has all of them (fuse will be an update very soon). Now batteries cant explode and they cant get even hot.

 

[marbass]

But besides vent holes and warnings, how can you make a mod safer when it's the batteries that are causing the problem?

IMHO a battery -not connected anywhere - would not explode by itself in any case unless shorted.
In our case what would short circuit the battery? A mod.
So I mod should be made as safe as possible by the manufacturer, applying every possible precaution that would eliminate the chance of a short circuit.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

its simple Gary my good friend.

vent holes
system to discontinue batteries
lock button (optional)
fuse

GG has all of them (fuse will be an update very soon). Now batteries cant explode and they cant get even hot.

That is brilliant Imeo, Just brilliant! But wait, hold on here, I smell a rat!

NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY GG FUSES!!!!!!!!

 

[imeothanasis]

That is brilliant Imeo, Just brilliant! But wait, hold on here, I smell a rat!

NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY GG FUSES!!!!!!!!

dont worry friend. Fuses will have a cost of 4 euros , only my cost. But the nice thing is that you will be able to change only the spring so the cost is 0,5