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I think it comes down to the concept that the definition of “safe” is a variable not a constant. By “knowing what they are doing” they are, at least in their own minds, reducing their risk to a level they consider safe for them. Or at least for you.
Going up on a roof is “safe as long as you know what you are doing”. Statistically though for roofers who know what they are doing and go up on roofs every day for most of their lives it starts to become a question of not whether you will fall off a roof, but when. As a result roofers have use safety equipment now, at least in my state. The voters got sick of paying the bills for lifetime disability and orphaned children and made the owners of the roofing companies (who generally didn’t go up on roofs themselves) pay a much smaller amount for safety equipment. They’re still bitterly complaining about it.
Irrelevant and mostly off-topic. AFAIK Mooch only changed "exploding" to "bursting" (that is, with regards to short-circuiting a battery) to not cause people to start to needlessly overreact. Batteries, even if they're flat top, these days have built-in protections such as the PTC, CID, and slow-down mechanisms in the separator, but not all of them do, or they don't have all of these protections present, and, even if we could assume all of them are present, they might still fail and cause the occasional (i.e., rare) thermal runaway that explains why these typical round cells we use for vaping never were designed to be used outside a fully protected battery pack with a protection circuit. Thermal runaway is what causes fire and explosions, and should not be confused with battery venting. If all we had to be concerned about was battery venting, then we wouldn't need to look specifically for less volatile battery chemistry types. The effects of thermal runaway can be pretty devastating. Just because it happens only rarely is no good reason to ignore it.
Usually I want to ban stupidity from the vaping world. Only sometimes, I change my mind and want to release the Kraken.
A lot of people have wanted to ban stupidity in general for a very long time. Can’t be done though. Everyone is stupid some of the time, even when they think they’re not. It might even be said that stupidity is at its most dangerous when people think it’s not there.Usually I want to ban stupidity from the vaping world. Only sometimes, I change my mind and want to release the Kraken.
The reason why I feel safer using a mech is because I trust my own brain more than I trust the vagueries of some Chinese chipmaker. Internal battery charging is what caused the mod in the example video to be turned into a scary fireball explosion in the middle of the night, which you claimed was not possible, when the reality is that the thing that's not possible is internal battery charging in a mech so yeah... "believe" is definitely the key word in that sentence...
There's a difference between knowing what you're doing and thinking you know what you're doing. The simple fact you didn't know regulated mods could explode speaks volumes of which part applies to you.
That's been my whole point in my first reply to this thread, i.e., regulated mods are causing people to stupidly think they are safe, and, the stupidity of that is what makes them most dangerous. Most. As in, more dangerous than mech mods, contrary to popular stupid belief.
Perhaps you can relay that message to this mech user.
The problem with both devices is a human element dealing with a volatile battery if neglected.
I use a regulated mod with vents. But that's me.
I tried that one on my boss once when assigned to track down a problem that COULD NOT be recreated. Far as I could tell, same inputs gave different-from-the-issue (and correct) output each time I tried it. Yet something happened. Once.
Strangely, he was never impressed with the explanation.
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I never claimed using a battery at 30% over the CDR is not dangerous if you know what you're doing. Instead, I merely said I trust people who vape their mech at 30% over the CDR more than I trust those who are persisting all the stupid "let's just ban mechs and keep believing we are safest" online bruhaha.
That's why I said what I said about the sharpness of potato knives. You can't fix stupid, therefore the whole idea that you can fix stupid by telling people to stay away from mechs is... well, stupid.
Sometimes cars cause deaths due to manufacturing defects. But mostly, it's the driver.
Yet, I don't remove the regulation mandating that they have safety devices, even though it's usually "driver error". Seat belts and air bags save lives, even when some airbags have been problematic.
Yet, I have to share the road with other drivers, so I suppose that I can justify the "shared mandated rules" type of thing due to multi-vehicle accidents. Mechs, OTOH, are most likely to harm/kill the user, not others (there WILL be exceptions to that though).
IDK that I could suggest mandating that mechs be banned, people will make them in their basement. I could see rules mandating that anyone that sells them confirm that they have at least ___ surface area of vent holes. And even that would be a very poor spec, but IDK what else to do. No rule will be 100% effective.
I would consider banning un-vented or poorly vented mechs. I don't care what some lone-ranger Joe-Mech-User thinks. Tough cookies, too many people just don't know any better to allow shops to sell poorly vented mechs. We regulate a lot of things for the public good, and 90% of that regulation is beneficial. Sure, there's abuses in that too. But this wouldn't be one of them.
Yet, I don't remove the regulation mandating that they have safety devices, even though it's usually "driver error". Seat belts and air bags save lives, even when some airbags have been problematic.
Yet, I have to share the road with other drivers, so I suppose that I can justify the "shared mandated rules" type of thing due to multi-vehicle accidents. Mechs, OTOH, are most likely to harm/kill the user, not others (there WILL be exceptions to that though).
IDK that I could suggest mandating that mechs be banned, people will make them in their basement. I could see rules mandating that anyone that sells them confirm that they have at least ___ surface area of vent holes. And even that would be a very poor spec, but IDK what else to do. No rule will be 100% effective.
I would consider banning un-vented or poorly vented mechs. I don't care what some lone-ranger Joe-Mech-User thinks. Tough cookies, too many people just don't know any better to allow shops to sell poorly vented mechs. We regulate a lot of things for the public good, and 90% of that regulation is beneficial. Sure, there's abuses in that too. But this wouldn't be one of them.
The reason why I feel safer using a mech is because I trust my own brain more than I trust the vagueries of some Chinese chipmaker. Internal battery charging is what caused the mod in the example video to be turned into a scary fireball explosion in the middle of the night, which you claimed was not possible, when the reality is that the thing that's not possible is internal battery charging in a mech so yeah... "believe" is definitely the key word in that sentence...
I would never presume to know what it is you do and don't know, however, "knowing what you are doing" doesn't mean you are 100% error free 100% of the time. Even people highly trained and experienced in a particular field can still make mistakes. A mistake on a mech has a higher probability of a bad event than a mistake on a regulated device. Someone on this forum (I don't recall who) shorted a RDA because when they were clipping the legs off the coil the clipped part flipped away and he couldn't find it. Turned out it landed in the RDA. Later as he moved around the leg worked it's way between the positive post and the RDA wall and caused a short. It is also possible to install a coil too high and have it touch the ceiling or too low and have it touch the floor both of which can cause way too low resistance.
I personally never charge batteries in a mod either, however, there are plenty of people that have had batteries pop/melt/etc. using external battery chargers. I think @Baditude is one of them, or he may have posted a pic from the internet. Also @LiquidDave had it happen as well. there may be more. I still think external charging is safer because the battery isn't enclosed so the rapid expansion is not going to be near as bad. You just have to make sure to charge on a non-flamable surface just in case.
Generally speaking they can’t. Neither can vented mechs for that matter. It’s the unvented completely sealed devices that can go boom like hand grenades.
Explosions happen when something either burns really really fast and the resulting gas tears the container into pieces and throws it around, or not so fast but inside an airtight container and the pressure builds until the container ruptures and throws things around. Even black powder doesn’t even really explode by itself though it does flash. it needs to be contained. You find a regulated mod with the same kind of seal as an unventilated mod it will probably blow up too, though due to the regulation it will be a vastly less likely thing to happen. Afaik there aren’t any though. A classic ageis might maybe do it, though I doubt it. It passed a milspec test which one would assume checks for that sort of thing. A legend won’t. Might pop the battery door though. A provari? Iirc no. They’ve got a plastic window in the case. That’s an automatic weak point. Pretty much all regulated mods have screens for that matter.
Show me an example of a replacable battery regulated mod with an air seal as strong as its case and I’ll take your accusation of stupidity.
Where did I do that?
when the reality is that the thing that's not possible is internal battery charging in a mech so yeah... "believe" is definitely the key word in that sentence...
I think the point is simply to help them die less often. Also since everyone is stupid some of the time it kind of applies to everyone.
You are wrong ... I am stupid all of the time
Did you mean this one? Not mine. It came from an ECF forum member's post. I used it in a new post on battery safety.
Are your battery wraps and insulator rings intact?
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