Extreme Condition Vaping

[revco]

I work on the North Slope of Alaska, I've worked in temps down to minus 82F. To keep our electronics warm when outside in the seater we use the foot warmers with adhesive on the the back. Simply wrap our gear in them.

Yeah, that's the only way to do it when it gets really cold, or you're exposed to moderate cold for extended periods of time. I went through a good few handfuls keeping my vape gear warm this trip, buy 'em by the box. I want to make something a little more efficient, designed for e-cigs and probably protected a bit. That's the toughest vape condition I've read yet!

Thanks for the ideas so far, everyone. Can someone tell me how long a 3400Mah 18650 style battery typically lasts? Has anyone tried something like this.

Also found this for a potential thing for car charging. Have to find some documentation but it looks like it has the power to run 4 USB chargers at 500ma each and features a 12V plug.

 

[8dragon9]

Refer to my previous cimment in 3400

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[Rickajho]

Yeah, that's the only way to do it when it gets really cold, or you're exposed to moderate cold for extended periods of time. I went through a good few handfuls keeping my vape gear warm this trip, buy 'em by the box. I want to make something a little more efficient, designed for e-cigs and probably protected a bit. That's the toughest vape condition I've read yet!

Thanks for the ideas so far, everyone. Can someone tell me how long a 3400Mah 18650 style battery typically lasts? Has anyone tried something like this.

It would all depend on the PV and what resistance you want to run out it. Stock Kanger stuff should give you an entire day of vaping. Sub ohm RDA? A couple few hours.

But... what battery are you looking at stating 3400 mAh capacity?

Also found this for a potential thing for car charging. Have to find some documentation but it looks like it has the power to run 4 USB chargers at 500ma each and features a 12V plug.

That looks like a good possibility. I like the "cup" design and that it gives you one low power AC outlet as well.

Please be aware that there are several threads on ECF of people having problems using low budget 12v to USB adapters in cars, resulting in overcharging/overheating batteries. Those low budget (5 bucks or less) 12v/USB adapters aren't well regulated - and neither is the car 12 volt supply going to cigarette lighters.

Also, if you plan on running that Energizer inverter from a "convenience outlet" check your vehicle owner's manual to make sure the convenience outlet can actually deliver the current the inverter requires. Convenience outlets don't always deliver the same amperage that the cigarette lighter needs in order to work.

 

[revco]

Refer to my previous cimment in 3400

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So, day and a half you'd say or so? Awake hours? Don't know what time you get up in the mornin' or go to bed at night, your day could be half as long as mine. I think I'll get one in and at least try it out.

I definitely liked the modularity of the mod when it came to the outdoors, but was concerned about having to take a bunch of batteries. The 3400's could potentially solve (or at least help) that, but I have a few hesitation with that setup. My reluctance with the mod and mod style has been that, as far as I know, those types of batteries can only be charged via an AC input. (Haven't been able to find a DC charger.) For the same reasons Iffy mentioned earlier, it requires inversion to charge. The eGo is kind of nice in that it's DC, therefore directly compatible with solar, that little fire pot cell phone charger thing, vehicle electrical systems, USB, etc. Size is another reason, it's easy to slip a couple eGo's in your pockets, not as easy with a mod capable of long life. A eGo setup is inherently more redundant than a mod setup, where you'd have just one, or maybe two systems...both of which could break, get wet, freeze, etc.

Anyway, I think both systems have their advantages in these conditions, but that's also part of what I'm trying to figure out here. Part of that decision is the options that are out there, I suppose.

 

[soysos]

What about a large power bank say 20,000 mah

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[sdennislee]

The eVic mod from Joyetech does not require AC to charge and I get 2 full days from 2600 mAh batts and almost 2.5 days from the 3400 mAh NCR18650B battery. The eVic will charge via USB port/adapter. Can also be used as a pass through device.

 

[revco]

What about a large power bank say 20,000 mah

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I asked about that in another post, but maybe it got missed. I've found the ones designed for ecigs to be insufficient, but I had seen those, they're for charging laptops and stuff. Do you know anything performance wise that might be expected from them? 10 charges, 20? I may have to be the guy who buys one to find out it's e-cig potential.

 

[8dragon9]

So, day and a half you'd say or so? Awake hours? Don't know what time you get up in the mornin' or go to bed at night, your day could be half as long as mine. I think I'll get one in and at least try it out.

I definitely liked the modularity of the mod when it came to the outdoors, but was concerned about having to take a bunch of batteries. The 3400's could potentially solve (or at least help) that, but I have a few hesitation with that setup. My reluctance with the mod and mod style has been that, as far as I know, those types of batteries can only be charged via an AC input. (Haven't been able to find a DC charger.) For the same reasons Iffy mentioned earlier, it requires inversion to charge. The eGo is kind of nice in that it's DC, therefore directly compatible with solar, that little fire pot cell phone charger thing, vehicle electrical systems, USB, etc. Size is another reason, it's easy to slip a couple eGo's in your pockets, not as easy with a mod capable of long life. A eGo setup is inherently more redundant than a mod setup, where you'd have just one, or maybe two systems...both of which could break, get wet, freeze, etc.

Anyway, I think both systems have their advantages in these conditions, but that's also part of what I'm trying to figure out here. Part of that decision is the options that are out there, I suppose.

7:30 am to 11:00 pm on sunday, heavy chain vape (went through aprox 14ml) than from 6 am untill 1 pm the following day at aprox 5ml and that when.I brought the svd in the red (around 15%)

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[revco]

The eVic mod from Joyetech does not require AC to charge and I get 2 full days from 2600 mAh batts and almost 2.5 days from the 3400 mAh NCR18650B battery. The eVic will charge via USB port/adapter. Can also be used as a pass through device.

It just occurred to me. All I ever needed to know, I probably just needed to ask sdennislee. Mr. -80F! Haha. And probably take the suggestions unflinchingly.

The eVic looks interesting and that's some pretty good run time. I'll definitely look into it a little bit more. The only thing that concerns me off the bat is that it looks fragile and nice...not something I want to break out over the rocks on a flyfishing creek or drop in the snow. I could get over that, though, if I treat it like my life depended on it.

 

[revco]

But... what battery are you looking at stating 3400 mAh capacity?

[CUT]

Please be aware that there are several threads on ECF of people having problems using low budget 12v to USB adapters in cars, resulting in overcharging/overheating batteries. Those low budget (5 bucks or less) 12v/USB adapters aren't well regulated - and neither is the car 12 volt supply going to cigarette lighters.

Also, if you plan on running that Energizer inverter from a "convenience outlet" check your vehicle owner's manual to make sure the convenience outlet can actually deliver the current the inverter requires. Convenience outlets don't always deliver the same amperage that the cigarette lighter needs in order to work.

Thanks for the heads up with the regulators, unfortunately there's no real great way to measure voltage regulation quality without first trying it. It's cheap, but there might be better models out there...now that I know they exist, I know what to look for. I can run 12V fused (and maybe even regulated) power, if need be, but yes...I'd check the service manual for capacity before I hooked up a 2.1 amp draw. Nonetheless, most of my charging happens at home and I prefer it that way. This would mostly be for the situation where I idled the vehicle, waited for the batteries to charge and would disconnect when they finish so I could shut off the vehicle...or maybe in between places, something like that.

As for what batteries, I'm not sure yet. I need to do some research. I read the Panasonic's mentioned in here. Something quality, good batteries makes sense to me.

 

[sdennislee]

It just occurred to me. All I ever needed to know, I probably just needed to ask sdennislee. Mr. -80F! Haha. And probably take the suggestions unflinchingly.

The eVic looks interesting and that's some pretty good run time. I'll definitely look into it a little bit more. The only thing that concerns me off the bat is that it looks fragile and nice...not something I want to break out over the rocks on a flyfishing creek or drop in the snow. I could get over that, though, if I treat it like my life depended on it.

Can't answer the question on drop tests. I keep mine in a pouch on a lanyard around my neck. I have read a few posts of people dropping theirs without any harm.

The most important piece of advice for extreme cold vaping I can give you is plastic drip tips . I should also tell you that you can't vape or smoke at minus 80 F, lungs can't take the super chilled air.

I keep my eVic inside my shirt next to my skin in extreme cold to keep it warm and functioning.

 

[revco]

The most important piece of advice for extreme cold vaping I can give you is plastic drip tips . I should also tell you that you can't vape or smoke at minus 80 F, lungs can't take the super chilled air.

I figured as much, not that anyone would ever want to. I wasn't implying you vaped at -80F, certainly! I draw the line at -40F, past that, I don't even go outside if I can help it. That is unbelievably cold and requires some pretty hefty gear. And yeah, I learned about the drip tips all ready...the hard way, about 3 days after I picked up vaping. (Where were you then?!?! Haha.)

 

[Kaiser Bob]

I think a solid mod and 18650s are the way to go, though having a solar power bank and a couple egos just in case would be a good idea. FWIW the LUC and nitecore chargers run on DC no need for inverter.

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[ScottP]

All this talk about needing 20 batteries, car chargers or DIY stuff is not necessary.

Amazon.com: solar powered usb charger

Get a prebuilt solar powered usb charger. Some with multiple ports. Can leave these in camp by day to charge in the sun while you are out with your PV batts then recharge the PV batts with this while you sleep. Wake up every morning to freshly charged batteries. You would only need extras in case you get some bad weather that doesn't support solar charging.

 

[Rosenec]

Have you tried these yourself? If they're decent quality, that would be amazing!

No I have not tried theses yet.

 

[Myrany]

This one is a bit larger than the one I have for hurrican season but what about a solar USB charger

Example:
Amazon.com: Anker 14W Solar Panel Foldable Dual-port Solar Charger for 5V USB-charged Devices Including GPS Units, iPhone, iPad, Android Phones and Android Tablets.: Cell Phones & Accessories

 

[revco]

I do like the idea of solar and probably want to add it to my kit, particularly for extended outings into the back country. I can probably find a place most times to set up for solar...a meadow or what not...if I plan to be around an area for a day or so. I am really liking the idea of a solar panel with a larger battery (i.e. 15KmAh) which could then be used to charge the e-cig or two right from the solar charged battery instead of directly from solar. If I can get it done with a relatively light weight and it performs reliably in the field, that might be a good way to go. There's risks with cloudy days/weather and what not, but with a battery in the mix, it provides flexibility. I'll do some more digging into this to see what solutions might work for the application in mind.

Edit: Is it reasonable to assume that with a larger battery providing the charge, take an example of a 15KmAh battery, that you could charge individual batteries up to that capacity? Say, for example, you're charging 1100mAh batteries from that 15KmAh...could you get around 13-14 charges, minus a little for some loss in the transfer?

 

[Firecrow]

Here is an off-the-wall suggestion. Seeing as how you're outdoors and have access to fire:

Watt Emergency Power Supply Back Up Power Bank Plant Thermoelectric Generator | eBay

It can generate 15W at 280 to 500 degrees, is lightweight and portable.

EDIT: Here is a nicer, cheaper one: Camp Amp 10 Watt Portable Multi Fuel Thermoelectric Power Generator | eBay

 

[Firecrow]

Oh and if you are into the Zombie Apocalypse, this baby will generate electricity and make a hot cup of joe at the same time. So at least you can contemplate the end of civilization without jonesing for nicotine or caffine....

PowerPot V Camping Water Pot Thermoelectric Power Generator Emergency - WaterCheck.biz

 

[ScottP]

I do like the idea of solar and probably want to add it to my kit, particularly for extended outings into the back country. I can probably find a place most times to set up for solar...a meadow or what not...if I plan to be around an area for a day or so. I am really liking the idea of a solar panel with a larger battery (i.e. 15KmAh) which could then be used to charge the e-cig or two right from the solar charged battery instead of directly from solar. If I can get it done with a relatively light weight and it performs reliably in the field, that might be a good way to go. There's risks with cloudy days/weather and what not, but with a battery in the mix, it provides flexibility. I'll do some more digging into this to see what solutions might work for the application in mind.

Edit: Is it reasonable to assume that with a larger battery providing the charge, take an example of a 15KmAh battery, that you could charge individual batteries up to that capacity? Say, for example, you're charging 1100mAh batteries from that 15KmAh...could you get around 13-14 charges, minus a little for some loss in the transfer?

What about 2 of the 7000mAH solar devices on the Amazon page I listed? That gives 14000 total but also provides some backup if one gets broken.

The match seems correct, but it could be slightly less efficient than pure math would indicate. I would be happy with 10 charges out of 15kmAh.