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I could have sworn there was much more room, I must look closer....

It is deceiving looking at it from the top but when you pull it apart you will see what I am talking about. Some won't drill it at all because it is so close as it is. Better to make do with a thinner wick (sand it down a bit if you go for ceramic) or if you have enough clearance take it to 1/8th and work with that.
 

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currently on my stainless wicks I have more coil at the bottom and less coil at the top of my wicks so that it heat up more evenly, it not by much but still.... I was curious to see if the same would be for the ceramic wick when I install it, I was also thinking that maybe I might sacrifice one wick and make a groove in it so that the coil sits into the wick (kind of like a reverse carto) I might name that groove the "EliasG Groove" lol its going to be some really fine work using my dremel with some fine diamond tips and carefully marking it out with a 4-5 wrap hmmmm I'll let you all know how it works out....

They have tried grinding a groove for the coil to sit in on the wick and it did not work out too well. Check this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/362182-next-big-thing-porous-ceramic-wicks.html

This set-up drove me crazy last night. The wick diameter at the top is 4.5mm. Wick hole is 1/8". Making grooves and wire coiling it was tedious and 10x harder than making a round wick and a drill bit coil.

Overall vape is good...sort of. Starts off great, then tapers off. :confused:

I am not so sure if there is was an added benefit here by going this wide over a narrower wick base. It vapes really well (Taste++), but when the reservoir at the top depletes, capillary action can not replace the loss of juice fast enough to re-saturate the wick head.

If I tilt the PV, the wick can very quickly saturate, but it can become too saturated. It did not drip, but it reminded me of what can happen when you use cotton batten. Sorta like a soggy rock.

The grooves are too big for the wire, so I am going back and rewiring with flat ribbon kanthal just to fill the channels. Maybe that will change some of the dynamics.

This one is not floating my boat...:(

EDIT: Just to check myself, I pulled the grooved wick and put my broken 3mm wick back in. I had minimal coil adjustment and I was back in action. Great Vape, no tapering off of vape.

I first coiled with 34g for ~2.2ohms (?), then with 30g for ~1.3ohms. This one is the 30g wire:

 

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1st setup. 10 days. 0 maintenance. That's how good the stuff is.
The fc2000 does not need tweaks from my experience.
 

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I'd agree there is real wicking going on, just no way to for me to say how it compares to the diff grades of SS mesh. I suspect it's less from trying to do vertical burns with the ceramic.

The only obvious visual difference is the FC-2000 is a darker shade of grey. I looked at both of them side by side under 2x and 10x magnification and my eyes couldn't see a significant difference between the pores of one vs: the other. Even side by side under magnification to me they looked basically the same.

No, I'm not saying either performs better than the other. The outstanding feature that makes either work, is getting the coil snug for it's entire wrap. From my use of both - one (either one) will perform better/worse than the other depending on the coil not the wick.

I can say, that I can easily see a difference in the 'outside' wicking of the my thinner .120" DIY wick compared to the .125" FC-2000. For me it's easy to see the juice wicking up the outside of the thinner wick when the wick is dry and PV held horizontal. Even when doing back-to-back max burns i can see more juice on the thinner wick. Sometimes maybe too much, as I can see it bubbling between the coils. It may be 'too' much as I'm burning/boiling the juice between the coils, kinda flooding the wick.

Now that might be an advantage for extreme vapers w/ low ohms and high watts (more juice fed to more heat). I'm not one of those, I like my ohms 1.8-2.0 and vape about 4.2 volts on a Provari. So for my use/style normal ( and even 3-4 chain vapes) the vape is quite comparable.

The only advantage I could really say the PetSmart DIY wick has over the FC-2000 is cost. If you can fashion your own, I get 12 wicks from a $4.00 medium size stone. That's about 33 cents each. And so far for me, the higher priced FC-2000 doesn't out perform it. Is one safer to vape based on it's construction and materials - I've no clue.

Hope this clarifies my experience with both of them.

edit: here's a link to the best large sized picture I could get.
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i466/MikeEbner/Posts/IMG_1497-2_zps871e2670.jpg

That's very interesting what your saying. If the only real difference is the cost then it isn't just a small advantage.
I'm getting some soon, we'll see.... Thanks a lot for your answer!
 

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Yesterday I did some work on the wick to narrow it down a bit. When I use the same coil set up it is now down to 2ohms instead of 2.4 with the unmodified wick. There is definitely an improvement in the flow of juice and I can actually hear the air moving around the wick now as I take a pull. This has to assist in uptake as well. I must say, I changed my juice to a "Juicy Peach" and the flavor is simply stunning with the ceramic. The vapor production is prodigious and I am totally sold on this set up. 10 days straight is excellent DS and honestly, due to the immunity to heat I can't really see any reason why these things would fail. Breakage is just too easy with the ZAP set up but a DID is on its way. Now that the wick does not stand bolt rigid in the hole there is also a little margin for light bumps that was not there before as well.
 

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hey guys, when i first recieved my ceramic wicks the only size i was able to get was the 3/32 ones, so this put my ac-9 & dids away till i could get the 1/8'ths. so aga here we go. when looking at these very small wicks i was initially going to drill out the wick hole in the aga but just decided to try the small ones first. they have been awesome, and now am glad i didnt drill out the hole. the only reason now that i would actually drill it out is to make a coil on it with 28g wire. so has anyone actually drilled out the aga to accomadate the 1/8 wicks? and how is this working? if this works just as good as the smaller wicks i might have to give it a go once i buy a new aga. my buddy just bought a new aga and this aga is half the weight of my original one, is the new ones ss? it looks to me that the new ones are more like a chrome. yes, the grooves into the wick has indeed been out there for some time, and there has been rumors that they actually, if perfected to the right depth and right number of turns, might add this as an option in the future. so my 1/8 wicks have finally arrived, i will be setting up my ac-9 tonight. the wick hole in the ac-9 is quite large, although there wont be the same space between the wick and wick hole as my current set-up, it is close. i kind of wish that the wick was a little more of a tighter fit, just to see if a loose fitting wick is indeed something that is necessary.
 

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i just looked at the starting date of this thread and it has been 2 weeks with my ceramic. a few things to note, i find no real reason for dry burns at all and havent actually done any, for the coils stay pretty much clean compared to ss. switching flavors is pretty much instantly. flavor and vapor production awesome. if i can get 1 more week from this, which would be 3 weeks total, i would pretty much say that i will never go back to ss mesh, actually i dont think at this point i would ever go back. i did however take out my original wick for another for my second video but actually had taken that one out and put back the original, so it has been in there since feb,8th, with no issues at all.
 

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Thanks vapdivrr for you're updates throughout your ceramic use. I've had my AGA+ around 2 weeks using the same ss wick and it's showing no signs of fading so far. I'm very impressed with this setup but I can't wait to get my hands on some ceramic....that is if they ever get back in stock. I also was contemplating drilling the hole but really didn't want to as I would have to get the right size bit and freehand it. Knowing how well the 3/32 has performed for you makes me feel better about things not having to worry about drilling, I can't wait.
 

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Thanks vapdivrr for you're updates throughout your ceramic use. I've had my AGA+ around 2 weeks using the same ss wick and it's showing no signs of fading so far. I'm very impressed with this setup but I can't wait to get my hands on some ceramic....that is if they ever get back in stock. I also was contemplating drilling the hole but really didn't want to as I would have to get the right size bit and freehand it. Knowing how well the 3/32 has performed for you makes me feel better about things not having to worry about drilling, I can't wait.

unfortunately, like you said, the stock issue is a mojor PITA but when you do get your hands on some maybe order one of each, 1/8 & 3/32 and just try the small ones first, just to see if they might be to fragile for you, maybe by that time there might be some awesome results for those who have drilled out the aga. if i definatly knew that by drilling the aga to fit the larger wicks, and that the results were at least the same as my current set-up i would drill in a heart beat, just to have a more sturdier wick.
 

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well i just wrapped the 1/8 for the ac-9 and although they are a little short for this particular genny it isnt to bad. the main issue for this will be that i will have to have a juice bottle more readily available. the ac-9 is amazing, and i am loving it all over again. the ceramic is working like a dream in this atty. normally i like resistances around 1- ohm to .08, but since doing ceramic i have not had the opportunity to go quite this low for the fact of a small wick and that it had been mentioned to thoroughly break in these wicks before attempting such low resistances. so i have been holding to 1.1 to 1.2 Ω, which has been working really well. so now with the 1/8 maybe in a day or 2 i will try some really low stuff. right now i just repeated the resistance that is on the aga and the 3/32 wick with the ac-9. i had to change from 30g to 29g to keep everything the same, 4/5 wrap, 1.2Ω and vaping this at 4 volts and blowing some huge tastey clouds.
 

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i used to use 32g when i first started with gennys but just for a week or so until i tried a low resistant set-up. i never went back, its been maybe 8 months since i have used 32g wire, except the other day when trying out the ceramic wick. i did this per instructions for a break in period for the wick. for one you cannot really use 32g wire on a low resistant set-up, and imo 32g just doesnt have the flavor of a thicker wire. i just like everything better in a low res set-up, thicker, fuller, warmer and tastier vapor, you just cannot get those results as good with a thinner wire and higher resistance. i really feel the agony of the electrons as they travel through a little thin wire, with so little space in the wire there is resistance for them, there is high resistance. i think they are much happier in a big wire with hardly no resistance, and i can tell by the performance. thats just my opinion, i mean 32g is an awesome vape as well, any vape from a genny is awesome, its just not quite as good.

Im using 28g myself and loving the taste it has. Seems there is fewer problems then when I used 32g. BTW Vapdivrr My AC9 is kickin some buttie right now...man its great! That tigher draw cap made a huge difference!
 

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Im using 28g myself and loving the taste it has. Seems there is fewer problems then when I used 32g. BTW Vapdivrr My AC9 is kickin some buttie right now...man its great! That tigher draw cap made a huge difference!

yes, i knew when i placed the order that the stock caps were airy, so i ordered the tight cap initially. i have tried the stock cap a few times but just to airy for me. have you thought about trying the ceramic?
 

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Hey, figured I would ask here ...anyone knows who the maker of these FC wicks is?

I've got a few coming in tomorrow to test. It would be great if someone could direct me to the guy who makes them, because I would really love to know what type of ceramic he uses.

Thanks in advance!

Hey has anyone figured out if Ceramic is safe to use for a wick...Im not sure where this stuff is coming from myselve...very intriged with it however. Thought there was dust or something on them...maybe wrong thread to talk about it sorry.
 

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Hey has anyone figured out if Ceramic is safe to use for a wick...Im not sure where this stuff is coming from myselve...very intriged with it however. Thought there was dust or something on them...maybe wrong thread to talk about it sorry.

Railrust, read up and post up on this thread. Basically they are talking about porous ceramic. Ceramic by itself is just a dust but when fired with something it becomes a solid. I'm still not sure the exact way porous ceramic is made but that is what these wicks are made out of. Some people as you will see from the thread below I posted a link to are using ceramic air stones to make wicks from and are working quite well.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/362182-next-big-thing-porous-ceramic-wicks.html
 
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Heh thats exactly what I was thinking and is what I am doing to my AGA-T2, I also have 1/8ths coming (probably Monday if all goes well) and thought exactly the same way but I was going to drill it just slightly larger than the wick but not to 4mm I think 4mm maybe too much? I was going to try smaller and increase if needed just dont want juice to just fall out I want it to wick out. One thing for sure is that there is plenty of room on the AGA-T2 to enlarge the hole....
I'm going to start with 9/64 and see how that goes, how much clearance is available for juice to easily travel up the sides. I would imagine VG might be a thicker slick on the outside, want to make sure no restrictions exist. I always have to wait 2 - 4 weeks before I actually receive what I ordered, so at least a week still to go.

Just a word of caution on the room with the AGA T2. If you look at the hole from underneath you will see that it is very close the the space where the center post goes. I think most people are just managing to increase it to 1/8th but that is right on the limit.
I just checked on the AGA-T2 again - lots of room ... good up to at least 4mm.

... it looks to me that the new ones are more like a chrome.
Ya, chrome. Some alloy on the inside, not sure what it is.

flavor and vapor production awesome. if i can get 1 more week from this, which would be 3 weeks total, i would pretty much say that i will never go back to ss mesh, actually i dont think at this point i would ever go back.
All good news.

if i definatly knew that by drilling the aga to fit the larger wicks, and that the results were at least the same as my current set-up i would drill in a heart beat, just to have a more sturdier wick.
The drill, bits ... all plugged in, ready to go ... just the damn length of time having the AGA-T2s & ceramic wicks canoed here ... lol
 

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I just checked on the AGA-T2 again - lots of room ... good up to at least 4mm.

Unless the design has radically changed I am not sure what you mean. I have two of them and there is no way I could drill out the existing wick hole to 4mm. Are you drilling on an eccentric path so that the new hole edge only goes as far as the existing edge or something? I guess that could work if you have a really good drill press setup and can lock that little sucker down tight. Please show us the results when you are done I am intrigued.
 
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I've heard of people going to 1/8" on the wick hole. That's about as far as you can go from what I've read and you have to be careful not to drill into the threads for the center post. Don't look at it from the top because it does look like you have a lot of room. Look at it from the bottom side. The hole is a lot closer looking at it that way.I tried to get a pic of the bottom side. while it is assembled cause I have juice in both of my T+'s.

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They are full stainless steel. I attached some photos. You can see the machining marks from where they turned down the top plate and where they ground down the hole on the inside of the cap. I also weighed mine and it is a little over 64 grams. My guess is that with the knurling gone it weighs a little less.

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Unless the design has radically changed I am not sure what you mean. I have to of them and there is no way I could drill out the existing wick hole to 4mm. Are you drilling on an eccentric path so that the new hole edge only goes as far as the existing edge or something? I guess that could work if you have a really good drill press setup and can lock that little sucker down tight. Please show us the results when you are done I am intrigued.
There is at least 3mm between coil and wick (from top) which can be narrowed down by 1 mm easily, even more. (1.5mm to center post as seen from inside tank) You also have approx. 2mm to the outside, and you can steal 1mm from there too. A 9/64 centered will only take out another .6mm max per side. Lotsa room. You can drill straight through the center ... will go lightning fast.

I realize it looks otherwise, but the room is actually there, and I had to look at this several times over myself, as I also wasn't sure initially either until I looked at it long enough. I'd say there's enough to go up to 4.5mm before things get ugly. I'll post a pic after my stuff arrives.
 

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forget about the AC9, way too short... mine are on the side believe it ot not! I got 3 DIDs on ceramic and there's no way back now!
That's why I ordered some bubblestone to try to cut a few out of it. RiP says its not the same stuff... I asked him what he used on his YT thread, no answer.


Nice vid, and thanx Gunner, E tanks just got an order.:toast:
 
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