FDA Takes Enforcement Action on Electronic Smoking Products

[green-lantern]

Rollout Plan: Extensive rollout planned including press conference at HHS, press release, fact sheet, video for upload to YouTube, podcast, consumer article, consumer Q &A, key message points, internal media Q & A, Op-Ed, photos of products for posting on Internet.

negative propaganda campaign? Sounds like they are going to take anything negative and distort the truth about ecigs to gain the sheeple support.

Our concern is that this might introduce nonusers to nicotine use.

So the FDA wants to take action because they are afraid new people might pic up a healthier smoking Isn't this out of their jurisdiction.

 

[Figurehead]

Figurehead,
My thoughts exactly!
Which is why I am now:

A) Closing my Website after this weekend, getting rid of all stock at rediculious prices and selling off the name (Come see the Hits for yourself)

b) opening a new site shortly that does not mention e-cigs, parts, or accessories at all! Just HealthyFlavorings
All ingredients on this site, which is live but currently in testing phase, are ALL FDA approved ingredients or Flavorings! If you want to vape the stuff it is up to you! I am just selling FDA approved flavorings don't you know!

But why even call them "flavorings"? That kind of implies that they are for human consumption. Make them an insence and then you don't even need to list ingredients because they are not for any purpose of going IN a person, be it consumed or vaped or what have you. No need to list the ingredients in potpouree. I have a bottle right here infront of me.

 

[SharonLM]

negative propaganda campaign? Sounds like they are going to take anything negative and distort the truth about ecigs to gain the sheeple support.




So the FDA wants to take action because they are afraid new people might pic up a healthier smoking Isn't this out of their jurisdiction.

Green, I just don't think the FDA cares what in their jurisdiction or out of it, they, like the other entities in our gov't, have adopted the attitude that if "THEY" say it's in their jurisdiction, then it just is!

 

[planetofthevapes]

I also plan on just riding it out with the liquid that I have on hand (which I always dilute anyways) and if this doesn't clear up by then, i'll vape nic-free. I, like many, am addicted to the action of vaping, blowing the smoke out and playing with it.... My husband who was always cranky when I tried to take his analogs away, but since vaping he has rediluted some flavors when we were low (leaving his concotion at no more than 4mg...he vaped it for a week, and was not cranky. i think that these PVs address the action more than the nic addiction. With the action still there, it is easy to get through without nicotine. Thanks to some awesome people on this forum, I will never have to buy batteries, that leaves me with just the need to buy atomizers. Hopefully the 10 that I have will last a bit, but they won't last for too long (I give them 2 months with 2 vapers in the house). I have not had the ambition to try and fix one.... Hopefully, all sold separately, all without mention of the other parts, maybe that will keep us going. BTW, y would somebody want to buy nic free liquid (unless it's like, a flavor that we cannot find the ingredients for) when we can make it at home by ourselves? Just curious.

 

[Skad]

But why even call them "flavorings"? That kind of implies that they are for human consumption. Make them an insence and then you don't even need to list ingredients because they are not for any purpose of going IN a person, be it consumed or vaped or what have you. No need to list the ingredients in potpouree. I have a bottle right here infront of me.

Agreed. Scents or incense are not regulated. Many headshops are carrying hebal "incense" which is basically a mix of herbs that are supposed to be a weed substitute. By labeling them as "not for human consumption" you avoid the FDA issues.

 

[V-V]

Might have been answered already, but which Chinese manufacturers are getting blocked at customs? Isn't it a few only?

 

[gep]

I think that our over discussion of the alternative possibilities gives the FDA the information it needs to plug the holes.

*zip*

I still think the agency itself on the whole is incompetent, corrupted by pharmaceutical companies, filled with mindless bureaucrats and just another useless appendage on a government that is becoming a bloated hydra-like creature that is hopelessly beached because of it's greedy desire to consume more of our rights and our tax dollars.

The inmates are running the asylum and the rest of us are footing the bill and they have been at it for at least 75 years. I lost all confidence in this system of government a long time ago. They don't listen to the people of this country. The only sound they understand is the "Cha-Ching!" of the money being deposited into their bank accounts.

Allow me to add that because of their indifference to the public as a whole and to my own small self, I shall do my best to play by their rules and use those rules to hopefully upset the apple cart as often as I can.

 

[V-V]

gep - we'd be golden if we could afford to lobby the way big tobacco does.

 

[surbitonPete]

I can't wait to watch the FDA's UTube video.....I am going to love putting in some comments.

 

[liquidx]

And what about the NON Nicotine liquids?

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

b) opening a new site shortly that does not mention e-cigs, parts, or accessories at all! Just HealthyFlavorings
All ingredients on this site, which is live but currently in testing phase, are ALL FDA approved ingredients or Flavorings! If you want to vape the stuff it is up to you! I am just selling FDA approved flavorings don't you know!

Now, I'm not one to trounce over another man's dreams, goals, or whatever, but with the FDA having hissy fits over any combination of words or phrases made to convince the public that your product will improve their quality-of-life......and seeing though you are throwing in the towel at a business where this just happened......

Why in God's name are you putting up a new site with the same risks as the last one?????? GET RID OF THE HEALTHY CLAIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, done yelling now.

 

[Faethe]

Personal Vaporizers. Ole!

 

[green-lantern]

Green, I just don't think the FDA cares what in their jurisdiction or out of it, they, like the other entities in our gov't, have adopted the attitude that if "THEY" say it's in their jurisdiction, then it just is!

exactly! I am tired of it and ready to call them out

 

[RatInDaHat]

as far as the three suppliers mentioned, i think i have some clues, but we'll just have to wait and see what they say.

 

[Asidegraphix]

What really annoys me is you can just walk into a store (I know in San diego of a few) and buy a .... or a pipe to smoke weed. So why are they stopping e-cigs?

I can buy a .... but not a 901? thats really stupid!

my favorite is the Crack pipe that has a small teddy bear and a blow hole in it. but ecigs gets everyone to panic. i agree its dumb

 

[jigtg]

Speaking of which, if FDA really is planning on banning e-cigs, it would be good idea to hijack say, fda-bans-e-cigs.com set up a little fact sheet there.

 

[GavinMcCall]

"The content of the products have not been analyzed by FDA. To be sold, they would have to be approved by the agency." so let me get this straight, i buy a product called SEREDYN which is an herbal anti anxiety/depression remedy but i cant keep myself from cancer on the pretense that nonsmokers will use it? And if they do SO WHAT!!! At least they wont start a habit that will kill them 20 years early.

Here is what i think the REAL problem with ecigs are. They simply cant get their greedy mits on the TEN PERCENT tax on tobacco. That mixed with the fact that tobacco companies have some major influence in Washington and they lose out on the exponential profit of cigarettes. Marlboro for instance puts out a total manufacturing cost of approximately $5.70 per carton. now a carton of Marlboro reds costs me $48.79 usd. thats roughly 95% profit, take MAYBE 30% of the profit for EVERYTHING the company spends to put that carton on the shelf, that means that something near 65% of my 48 bucks go directly into their pockets. mind you that that 30% pays for the entire process of going from the factory to me buying it. This includes marketing, shipping, paying the workers that run the machines, covering losses and the tax that both me AND the company pay(Cigarettes are taxed twice in the states which I think may be illegal, not sure I need to look into it)

So you tell me... I dont know Ive been thinking about it for a few days now and needed to rant.

 

[lordmage]

well gavin depending on how and where the nic is coming from it is possible for the to get there hands on some but not all of the They simply cant get their greedy mits on the TEN PERCENT tax on tobacco. nic can be extracted from tobacco leaves which when purchased in the us of a is taxed but you are on the right track...they cant get more money and thats why. most analog bans have fines in place fro people and biz that fail to follow it so there is a lack of income from pv'ers like us

 

[JustMeAgain]

"Our concern is that this might introduce nonusers to nicotine use."

Wow, hard to imagine the potential for nonsmokes to be 'introduced' to nicotine the traditional way. How many smokers are there in the world?

What a load.

 

[SharonLM]

"Our concern is that this might introduce nonusers to nicotine use."

Wow, hard to imagine the potential for nonsmokes to be 'introduced' to nicotine the traditional way. How many smokers are there in the world?

What a load.

Right, a non-user is going to pay for the e-cigs, learn how to use them, keep up with maintenance and replacement parts because it's so much easier than picking up an analog and lighting it. Sure makes sense to me...NOT