Article: FDA to Ban Electronic Cigarettes

[Kate]

I don't know if there's any mileage to be gained from vitamin E, but maybe - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/14241-inhaling-vitamin-e.html

Personally I don't think any associations should be made that require testing or proof. Our hardware would be safer if it was for something completely benign like vaping glycerine/propylene glycol or whatever.

Eventually health benefits might show up with certain ingredients but nothing can prove that at the moment unless someone can make a case with the propylene glycol research available.

 

[nitewriter]

They could be called our "P.V.V.'s" Personal Vitamin Vaporizers.

Like everyone else, I'm just searching for possible answers. Thanks for your input ladyraj.

 

[ladyraj]

ah...so it was in essence a smokeless "nicotine delivery system"...so that would be different than a e-cig how? One Ariva tab has the same amount of nicotine in a cigarette. So there's no issue with the kiddies using that?

The problem is the cutoff date in the Waxman bill. Reduced risk products that were not submitted to the FTC before 2007 are not covered. Some snus and chew will not be protected by the bill either. The Ariva was submitted prior to this date despite the tobacco free kids petition to ban it via the FDA. The FDA proclaimed it had no jurisdiction over tobacco products and refused to intervene. Now we have a different problem.

 

[smokingclam]

I have a question maybe someone can answer for me. I guess we have to call our hardware a vaporizer of sorts. Does a vaporizer need FDA approval to be marketed in this country?
I see some out there that say FDA approved and some that don't. Is it considered a medical device in some cases then and some cases not?

 

[nitewriter]

Maybe the term would be "dietary supplement". There's a good read here: An FDA Guide to Dietary Supplements

Monitoring for Safety

As with food, federal law requires manufacturers of dietary supplements to ensure that the products they put on the market are safe. But supplement manufacturers do not have to provide information to FDA to get a product on the market, unlike the food additive process often required of new food ingredients. FDA review and approval of supplement ingredients and products is not required before marketing.

Food additives not generally recognized as safe must undergo FDA's premarket approval process for new food ingredients. This requires manufacturers to conduct safety studies and submit the results to FDA for review before the ingredient can be used in marketed products. Based on its review, FDA either authorizes or rejects the food additive.

In contrast, dietary supplement manufacturers that wish to market a new ingredient (that is, an ingredient not marketed in the United States before 1994) have two options. The first involves submitting to FDA, at least 75 days before the product is expected to go on the market, information that supports their conclusion that a new ingredient can reasonably be expected to be safe. Safe means that the new ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury under conditions of use recommended in the product's labeling.

 

[ladyraj]

I have a question maybe someone can answer for me. I guess we have to call our hardware a vaporizer of sorts. Does a vaporizer need FDA approval to be marketed in this country?
I see some out there that say FDA approved and some that don't. Is it considered a medical device in some cases then and some cases not?

It depends on the usage...if it's for a medical study, yes. If it's to smoke your vitamins...no. There are numerous handheld vaporizers already approved and some require no approval other than normal electrical compliance. An example: I-inhale handheld vaporizer, battery operated. But it doesn't look like a cigarette!

 

[Faethe]

Anyone know whatever happened with the FDA trying to halt the sale of Ariva nicotine tabs and nicotine lozenges? I'd think the same argument would apply if they got slammed on that one...

I wasn't aware of that? Really? Were they over the counter or something?

//Goes to look that up

 

[Brobby]

My Country (the USA) is a really strange and funny place!!

You can buy a Crack Pipe over the counter ..at a convinience store!





Hey...just call it an Electronic Crack Pipe!!

 

[Kendra]

Hey...just call it an Electronic Crack Pipe!!

LOL! I love this-- brilliant!

 

[OutWest]

youd have to call it a portable rose vase and include a tiny rose with it

 

[pokeyoldgram]

If you read the FDA language, the e-cig has a "primary purpose,"

Yeah....so does a ........same arguement

Bongs are not legal, just ask Tommy Chong, I bet he still knows his inmate number. I can buy them a mile from here but I can also be arrested for having it. It's called selective prosecution.
The point that I think some may be missing is: It does not matter what it(pv) really is, what matters is what the FDA says that it is. The fact that a cigarette became exempt due to being an agricultural product shows who influences not only legislation but the FDA. This is not about safety or labels, its about money and power. I don't know if they will be banned or not, or what that will eventually mean. What I do know is when the FDA is so obvious in the way they ignore facts and evidence, there is an agenda. I dont believe the FDA believes that PVs are dangerous, i believe other people think they are profitable.

 

[Brobby]

So anyways...
Im really sorry to hear the FDA may be banning our Nicotine delivery device..

Can I interest you in a Crack Pipe instead?

Its totally legal here ..in the USA to sell Crack Pipes!
I could open a store tommorrow and call it...
"Crack Pipe Depot"

Strange...but true...

 

[Kendra]

When I used to frequent head shops, all smoking paraphernalia was sold as "exotic tobacco pipes". Why can't this be an "exotic tobacco pipe"? I'm not saying I want the nicotine juice to be thought of as "tobacco", yet I still think the juice/cartridge FILLERS should be sold separately from the exotic tobacco pipe and/or personal vaporizers.

 

[Brobby]

Google "Crack Pipes For Sale"....
Interesting!
Wheres the FDA when you need them?

 

[lorraineg57]

If you read the FDA language, the e-cig has a "primary purpose,"


Bongs are not legal, just ask Tommy Chong, I bet he still knows his inmate number. I can buy them a mile from here but I can also be arrested for having it.

So, a .... is illegal...or...it's legal as long as it's called a tobacco water pipe?

You can be arrested for having it? Or you can be arrested for using it to perform an illegal act?

 

[smokingclam]

A .... isn't illegal till the user makes it illegal. If it tests positive for THC then you are carrying an illegal substance. If it tests for tobacco nothing anyone can do.

 

[lorraineg57]

A .... isn't illegal till the user makes it illegal. If it tests positive for THC then you are carrying an illegal substance. If it tests for tobacco nothing anyone can do.

Again, that's my point, the device itself isn't illegal unless it's used in the commission of a crime.

 

[smokingclam]

This is very true. Funny thing about bongs... If you search the internet you will find that the .... actually filters out some of the THC content when pot is smoked through it. Kind of defeats the purpose of why they are using it to begin with?

 

[fenez]

If it is not illegal to sell or possess bongs then why was Tommy Chong arrested and served time for selling or possessing them?

 

[strayling]

If it is not illegal to sell or possess bongs then why was Tommy Chong arrested and served time for selling or possessing them?

It was a sting operation and he was never actually tried, instead pleading guilty to save his family from prosecution. Read about it here.