Feeling awkward vaping in places...

[leary]

is it just me, or does everyone vape in walmart? lol, my wife and i tried an experiment the other day. she was using an 808 with a purple batt and i had my buzz. Neither of us had anything said to us. (note that i really hate walmart, let alone shopping for socks)

 

[wv2win]

I will treat it how I choose to treat it and don’t need your permission.

And that is not assuming any logic you claim it does, I also don’t boil vinegar in a restrurant without the proprietors permission, I don’t set off fire extinguishers without their permission, I don’t bring in my own alcohol without their permission ( in the case of wine I often do have their permission )

My logic is to treat a private establishment as exactly that, a private establishment, and to date, my treating it that way has improved thier perception of vapers, no only with the proprietors but with the other customers that were also curious, in places that I now vape inside of where originally I did not.

I am beginning to understand, that you are not going to understand.

I do understand. I have stated several times that I demonstrate my PV to the waiter or owner in a resturant. I also stated that we must always respect the wishes of those who run the resturant. But you conveniently ignore those points that I made, hoping to "distract" from your statements that vaping should be considered the same as smoking.

If you want everyone to believe that vaping is the same as smoking, as you have stated, that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. But don't be childish and think that will provide an incentive for non-smokers to embrace vaping.

 

[wv2win]

Being an ... to those who want to treat it like smoking won't help matters either. It's dumb to treat it like smoking, but if people choose to be ignorant, aggravating them with trying to change their opinions will not help matters either. Making enemies won't help any more than total acquiescence.

I tend not to vape indoors in public. When I'm in class I'll stealth vape occasionally, but otherwise I'll just go into the restroom and vape in one of the stalls. I'm also self conscious about vaping in crowds (waiting at the bus stop with 20 other strangers around me).

I guess you didn't read my post that stated the most important point is to be "respectful and courteous". Respectfully educating others is the best approach and abiding by how they want to run their establishment. But automatically going to the smoking section and telling people it is the same as smoking will do much harm.

 

[scubasteve25]

honestly, i vape everywhere, but with discretion, my gf thinks its silly to stealth vape or to hide what im doing. im just trying to be considerate of others. the other day we were at a dr. apt for her and i was waiting for the elevator, i looked around for people like i always do before i vape and didnt see anyone so i took a long drag off my reo and didnt bother to hide the vapor. well turns out there was this little old lady behind me that i didnt see (im a big guy) and by the time i saw her it was too late to stealth it up, she coughed waved her hands around and covered her mouth, the normal over-reaction i see from people who catch me vapeing inside. this other time i was outside walmart vapeing and some lady who walked past had a fake coughing fit and was flailing her arms. i have had far more positive experience than negative ones tho. for the most part dont act conspicuous and ask if in doubt. most ppl i have met have been cool about it. my gf always carries business cards and leaflets in her purse so we have them on hand. dont be suspicious and most people wont even give it a second look.

 

[wv2win]

is it just me, or does everyone vape in walmart? lol, my wife and i tried an experiment the other day. she was using an 808 with a purple batt and i had my buzz. Neither of us had anything said to us. (note that i really hate walmart, let alone shopping for socks)

No, you are not alone. Quite a few ECFers have posted about it. I've had a few people in stores ask me about it and are interested in learning more either for themselves or family members who smoke. If done right, it moves us towards general acceptence and understanding.

 

[AmyB66]

Scuba, that is funny. Now if someone did that to me, I would have to ask them if they required assistance and what on earth was wrong. LOL!

 

[Astronomer]

I do understand. I have stated several times that I demonstrate my PV to the waiter or owner in a resturant. I also stated that we must always respect the wishes of those who run the resturant. But you conveniently ignore those points that I made, hoping to "distract" from your statements that vaping should be considered the same as smoking.

If you want everyone to believe that vaping is the same as smoking, as you have stated, that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. But don't be childish and think that will provide an incentive for non-smokers to embrace vaping.

You honestly need to learn to read

I never said that, please point to where i said "vaping should be considered the same as smoking",

I said I smoke in places where smoking is allowed, I said that I treat it that way myself, I did not say others should always treat it that way. I also said I now vape in places where smoking is not allowed with the proprietors permission, mostly because of my respect for others.

I dont care if you have a problem with that or not, you are not that important

I don’t need your permission, I will post my opinion and suggestions as I please, and I would support someone throwing you out of their establishment for not abiding by the rules they have on their private property

 

[wv2win]

You honestly need to learn to read

I never said that, please point to where i said "vaping should be considered the same as smoking",

I said I smoke in places where smoking is allowed, I said that I treat it that way myself, I did not say others should always treat it that way. I also said I now vape in places where smoking is not allowed with the proprietors permission, mostly because of my respect for others.

I dont care if you have a problem with that or not, you are not that important

I don’t need your permission, I will post my opinion and suggestions as I please, and I would support someone throwing you out of their establishment for not abiding by the rules they have on their private property

You really do go out of your way to distort completely what others have stated. I've never been thrown out of any place for vaping and never will be because as I stated even before you posted once in this thread, that respect and courtesy are rule #1 when dealing with the uninformed about vaping. Respectfully educating others about vaping and not just standing out with the smokers seems to me to be a more effective means to advance the advantages of vaping.

And I stated you have a right to your opinion that in your words "you treat vaping as the same as smoking". From what I have read on ECF, most do not think of vaping as being the same as smoking as you do. And I certainly didn't state you needed permission to believe that vaping is the same as smoking. You can believe anything you want whether it makes any sense or not. I would suggest you try not to get so emotional about the whole discussion and tell others who differ with your opinion that their opinions are not important.

 

[Astronomer]

Distort?

Coming from someone that has repeatedly misquoted what I said, that is funny

I dont think vaping is the same as smoking, so you have not read enough on ECF yet, perhaps you shoud read some more.

The only emotion I have had in this discussion is humor, I find it very very funny.

I will continue to talk to people about what it is i am doing, I will continue to be respectful of the rights of others private property, until given permission to vape on private property I will continue to vape in smoking areas ( I have ended up talking to quite a few smokers that way, who are now looking into vaping ) On public property I will vape, but be respectful of others who may not understand.

I honestly think we are done here

 

[Golfer]

I was never a real big smoker in public either, so for me it seems to work okay. On the golf course I smoked and now I vape. But outside of that, I have not see anything. However I do get a few looks at the 1st tee like "what is that thing".

 

[wv2win]

........I treat it exactly like smoking a cigarette.....

..............I dont think vaping is the same as smoking............

Actions speak louder than words and perception is reality.

I respectfully disagree with your approach because it puts vaping in the same category as smoking. But everyone's opinion is important and have no problem with yours being different.

 

[Astronomer]

I treat it like that, for myself as in where I use it without specific permission from the owner of a private property out of respect.

I don’t think it is actually like smoking, in fact I know it is not.

( removed all other comments, we are done here )

 

[Atari]

I dont really vape in public, unless Im alone. Im still very uptight about it even more so around smokers than non smokers. Smokers seem (in my experience) to be more judgmental. I have found non smokers to be more accepting and encouraging (when they catch me lol) They tend to be happy for me that Im not smoking and using the line "cigarettes have what? over 4000 chemicals they say. This has 4 or less" , I get nic, my lungs and the air around me get a break. Most people are happy about that, but again I try not to vape around people because I hate having to explain it.
I do vape in my favorite local restaurant/bar, (Momma Rosas on W.Washington for any locals) but I dont think Applebee's is going to be too accepting, yes I can ask the waiter but the families around me dont really get a chance to hear my explanation or a choice as to what the waiter says, I vape at work, I was the only smoker here and when I brought out my NJOY they were a little freaked out but now they think its great, they are proud of me. I know I should be happy to try to convert smokers and change opinions of other for the good of the cause, because we are all in some small way a representative of this community. I feel like how some one sees me vaping is probably going to be their first experience with e cigs and I dont want them getting a bad impression of vaping because Im a jerk. I dont feel like I have the "right" to vape anywhere, Its like wearing too much perfume, cursing, or just general rudeness. Just because you are educated about the matter dosent mean you can blow clouds of vapor around other people, at the same time if I am in an open area where my vapor is going to get too close to any one, I dont see a problem with it at all. I work for a software and I.T. firm, We have mostly state and federal contracts, and our biggest clients are courts, so I generally go out side. Actually this post has made me realize I might need to do a little more to change minds about everything I have come to love about vaping. I'm going to sign up to be a CASAA local rep.

 

[VAP3n00b]

Ive yet to vape in public. I don't feel the need for it a much as I did analogs.

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[wv2win]

I understand that English may not be your native language.

I will try one last time to teach you, but I don’t think you are going to be able to understand

I treat it like that, for myself as in where I use it without specific permission from the owner of a private property out of respect.

I don’t think it is actually like smoking, in fact I know it is not.

Take a comprehension course please, there will be a lot less fuss and bother if you start comprehending what other people are saying.

Interesting that you "talk" about respecting others but your "actions and words" tell a completely different story. I stated clearly that I respect your right to have a different opinion. Your response is demeaning and insulting for those who disagree with you. Your response is a classic example of arrogant hypocrisy. One of the many problems with hypocrites is they respect no one. Your insults are childish.

 

[APD99]

I feel strange sitting at my desk at work and vaping, but 4 other die hard analog users went out and bought an e-cig from the mall nearby after seeing me desk vape yesterday during the rain.

 

[Astronomer]

That is very good APD99, I expect to be in that position soon myself, this morning my management sent a note to HR saying they would support my vaping at my desk. It will be more interesting that it didn’t come from me, it in fact came from non-smokers.

We will see how it goes

 

[mlinky]

I compeletly disagree with this position. If we want vaping to be accepted we need to respectfully educate others about our much healther this alternative is. I vape in resturants, stores and taverns but do so respectfully, never blowing plumbs of vapor towards others. I always inform the waiter or manager about my PV, what it is and what it isn't. If the owner would rather I not vape in their establishment, I respect their wishes. I generally do not continue to support their place of business with my presence, however.

The bottom line is: Perception IS reality. If you only vape with the smokers and in those sections, then the message you are sending is that vaping is JUST as dangerous as smoking and thus should be banned. If your own actions paint vaping as something that should be shunned, then it should be, plain and simple.

THIS!! For several months, I vape everywhere, openly, and when I get a strange look, I walk up to people and explain what I'm doing. Almost everyone has asked for info for themselves, a friend or relative. Only a small few were disinterested, and only one (a former smoker who quit cold turkey) was hostile.

 

[jlarsen]

Only a small few were disinterested, and only one (a former smoker who quit cold turkey) was hostile.

I find it rather hypocritical to hear of smokers/former smokers being more hostile to vapers than non-smokers. Smokers are the ones that believe so heavily in "smoker's rights." It is their attitude that they should be able to do what they want, when they want, and to h*ll with everyone else around them, that is one of the reasons that smoking is banned not just in offices and restaurants, but even in bars and casinos. I should know, I used to be like that before I changed my attitude. But even when I was acting like an ...; smoking cigars and pipes in some of the few remaining restaurants that allowed smoking, causing customer complaints and managers to ask me to quit; violating city ordinance against smoking in public (before the ban was temporarily repealed and then later went statewide), causing bartenders and casino runners to ask me to stop breaking the law in their establishments... I still wouldn't have condemned a vaper (if there had been any at the time) for vaping.

You'd think they of all people would respect another person's right to use a similar (and safer) product. But I guess it takes all types. I guess it is analogous to "born again" Christians that tend to be more in people's faces about "finding Jesus" than people that were raised religious and taught tolerance for others.

 

[mlinky]

LOL, I think he was just jealous that he suffered to quit, and I didn't suffer enough.