Final post for awhile.

[paladinx]

Well, I have decided that posting here so frequently is not a wise move anymore. My story is that I bought an e-cigarette to quit smoking, I came here pretty positive at first with some basic questions. After reading through the health section of this forum, since it was my primary concern, i put down my e-cigarette because of some troubling/conflicting things i was reading. So I tried to sort out what juice I should be getting and why or why not these things are considered safe, healthy, or dangerous.
In the end. Much information contradicts itself, and I probably started asking redundant questions because of the inconsistencies. On top of that there are just some people here that have a serious problem whenever you question things or are not completely 100 percent pro E-cigarettes. I will not elaborate on that, but it is pretty evident.

To summarize I will quote one of Tropical Bobs posts because it makes the most sense and reflects exactly how I have begun to feel about e-smoking in general.

"The point is that if you do this at this time, you are acting on nothing but faith. I'm guilty. Every time I pick up an e-cig, I make an act of faith. But China has numerous instances of contaminated substances making it into consumers' hands. It is not impossible for a batch of e-liquid to have too much or too little nicotine added. Your 11mg liquid should not present problems for you. Yet it did.

Depending on the maker (and you have no idea where it was made, when it was made or what's in it) it might be way off the amount listed.

I have said many times that the present e-smoking situation is untenable. It is amazing that some governments have waited so long to demand facts about e-smoking. And we've seen the results where governments HAVE considered e-smoking: Not one has approved it as now practiced. Various states of ban exist in Australia, Canada, Mexico and many other countries.

Unfortunately, the practice virtually demands assurances of safety, something that cannot be left to Chinese manufacturers who exist outside regulatory scrutiny. Open your eyes wide, and you'll see where this is heading." Tropical Bob.

So in the end, I will explore a different route to curb my cigarette addiction till e-cigarettes become something more regulated and consistent without so many unknowns, guesses, and people who get ...... at you if you do not follow their faith system.

I have a 901 if anyone is interested in buying it from me, please PM me.

 

[Tallgirl1974]

Good luck finding something that works for you! I hope you can sell the 901 this time.
Sorry we cant seem to agree on, well, anything. lol

 

[surbitonPete]

Hi Paladinx.....sorry to hear you feel that way but if you worry too much about vaping then it is best for you not to do it. Not smoking or vaping is the only completely safe thing to do. There is no government or doctor in this world that is actually going to put their name to saying it's 'safe' to vape. The best they could ever do is say it's 'safer' than tobacco even if they completely controlled and regulated it.

 

[four2109]

Hey Paladinx, Good luck. I have enjoyed your posts. I enjoy healthy debate, and there are many unanswered questions about this. I know if I quit vaping, I would be smoking again and I am enjoying the advantages enough to not want to go back now. I hope to taper off of these too, but think I will always have them around, just in case. take care.

 

[paladinx]

Well I mean even though i made up my mind to try snus instead, A part of me does not want to ditch the ecigarette because i see potential in it. I was really debating on buying from johnsons creek since they seem to be making an effort on quality control or some kind of regulation, plus they make their juice in america, which seems better to me for some reason. If they screw up, they are more liable than some factory in china.

Tall girl i do not really think it was about us disagreeing. I never claimed to know the harms or benefits of e-cigarettes. My endeavor was to find out. If you re-read my posts with a clear head I think you will find out that what iw as saying, maybe redundant, yes, but was very general. I just like to question things. That is all. Having your guard up might not ever hurt you if a punch never comes. But if a punch comes and your guard is down, well that is a different story. What got me ...... with you is that you seemd to be implying that I was just trying to mock anyone who chooses to vape.

In conclusion. I will be honest with you. It was smokeless vs vape for me. Smokeless was very reassuring, but not as appealing. vaping was more appealing but not as reassuring. So i guess i was on a quest for reassurance, not a quest for antagonization

 

[TropicalBob]

I want you to feel free to PM me with any questions on this. I am NOT an e-evangelist. I am an e-realist.

We are only on the first few pages of Chapter One in the Book of E-Smoking. Lots more will become known before long -- if we're not flatly banned. And even if we are, companies are at work now to get legalization. E-smoking is the future of smoking.

Hey, I like snus, too, and hope the FDA doesn't take it away.

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

Good luck paladinx, even if you don't post I hope that you will browse the forum from time to time.

 

[paladinx]

Thanks a lot guys for the kind words. I didnt mean to sound dramatic in my original post. I def will stick around and pop in to read any new stuff going on with the e-cigarettes. I hope these devices take off and get better and better, which I think they will. I just will try to shut my mouth for now, because sometimes my concerns and questions might repeat too much. But i think once a manufacturer of a juice is deemed consistent and is regulated a tad bit more, I will revisit the idea of vaping. Im def not through with the idea forever, just postponing it for now and trying snus first, and maybe cigars here and there.

Thanks bob. I hate pestering you all the time, but you seem to make sense in what you say and seem to have wisdom, so i have valued your opinion. You are kind of like a summary of the forum without having to read a trillion threads haha. I hope you dont mind if i check in with you once in awhile for some status updates. Promise not too often at all! lol.

regards

 

[Tallgirl1974]

I want you to feel free to PM me with any questions on this. I am NOT an e-evangelist. I am an e-realist.

We are only on the first few pages of Chapter One in the Book of E-Smoking. Lots more will become known before long -- if we're not flatly banned. And even if we are, companies are at work now to get legalization. E-smoking is the future of smoking.

Hey, I like snus, too, and hope the FDA doesn't take it away.

Id like to discuss what you emailed him on another thread. I am going to let your possible implication that I am some sort of Ecig zelot go.

 

[Tallgirl1974]

Tall girl i do not really think it was about us disagreeing. I never claimed to know the harms or benefits of e-cigarettes. My endeavor was to find out. If you re-read my posts with a clear head I think you will find out that what iw as saying, maybe redundant, yes, but was very general. I just like to question things. That is all. Having your guard up might not ever hurt you if a punch never comes. But if a punch comes and your guard is down, well that is a different story. What got me ...... with you is that you seemd to be implying that I was just trying to mock anyone who chooses to vape.

I think I just don't understand your tone- online is funny that way. I see so many veiled insults in what you write. IE, "clear head." I read you wrong, and vice versa.

 

[ZambucaLu]

Paladinx, I hope that even if you don't post, you at least keep up with reading. I mean, who would have ever thought there would be such a device as the ecig? Maybe something newer (and safer) will come down the line someday. We never know.

And keeping in touch with TB is probably a good decision since he tends to keep up with the latest news around.

Good luck in whichever path you take!

Lu

 

[paladinx]

yeah I am still here haha. I guess i been just seeing what has been said on these remaining threads and still feel the need to respond. But than ill take a lil break so i dont keep being redundant and pissing people off lol.

none of what I said was meant as an insult. When i said clear head i mean, read my posts without a bias that I am trying to cause a conflict with people, or lose your dislike for me for a moment. thats all.

 

[Momof3]

paladinx, I'm sorry if I offended. You I honestly wanted to help. I believe it was more the other poster ticking me off. Eventually it got to a point though where I thought you were really only looking for a reassurance that nobody here was going to be able to give you. Sucks that no one can, but at present it's simply the nature of the beast.

 

[Silver]

Hi Paladinx,

I haven't followed the threads you have posted in so am not sure if your worries are about PG, Nicotine or... ? If PG is your main worry, I was wondering whether you had followed this thread, which has a list of links to relevant studies regarding inhalation of PG ?

One of the links there points to a general page of Health New Zealand, but the specific studies that are relevant can be found here and here.

Although these New Zealand health reports state that vaping (specifically Ruyan E-cigarette emissions) can be considered "several magnitudes safer" than smoking tobacco, of course they don't prove outright that vaping is 100% safe. I just thought that perhaps all these studies into PG and vaping might help put your mind at ease a little bit ?

Good luck with whatever road you choose to curb your cigarette addiction !

Cheers,
Silver

 

[paladinx]

Thank you Yes the links are interesting. I am not sure, but It was one of those studies that said something like PG was a lung toxic ant and they recommended an alternative liquid like glycerine, I have read it in about 2 or 3 reports. who knows, but

About the Ruyan study, It probably is paranoia as usual, but those kind of reports never sit 100 percent right with me. A small part of me always thinks that why would ruyan ever publish any kind of study that wasn't ultimately positive in its favor. Its a business after all, and studies and statistics are always made by those getting paid to show a certain perspective. Statistics to me is like an art more than a science. For example you can take known carcinogens that are specific to the tobacco plant. Common sense will tell you most of these chemicals would not be present in E-liquid. So we use that as the major base for comparison. Oh it doesnt have this, it doesnt have that. well, of course it doesn't. So it gives an impression of safety just by ruling out chemicals that do not exist by comparison.

 

[playerags]

Mods could we delete this post for having an misleading title?

 

[gashin]

You're right paladinx.... there is simply too much unknown... but we do know that cigarettes kill millions every year...

 

[WerkIt]

On top of that there are just some people here that have a serious problem whenever you question things or are not completely 100 percent pro E-cigarettes.

You will find that every where you go in life. You can't really escape it, no matter what you do. All you can hope to do is limit engagement with those of that mind frame.

To summarize I will quote one of Tropical Bobs posts because it makes the most sense and reflects exactly how I have begun to feel about e-smoking in general.

Ok, so you have zealots with rose colored glasses, but you have also found someone who sticks with known facts and tells it like it is. I stocked up MONTHS ago because of TropicalBob's warnings. Maybe I shouldn't laugh now, but I do laugh at those having shipments held up now. I wonder where were these people two months ago and whose posts were they reading?

Your 11mg liquid should not present problems for you. Yet it did.

I keep one bottle of zero nic on hand to dilute bottles like the one above, should I ever run across one. I haven't yet though.

(and you have no idea where it was made, when it was made or what's in it)

And how many have died after using FDA approved drugs? All of life is a risk. There are no 100% guarantees in life. You don't even know if you will arrive home alive tomorrow from work. If you were to die in your car tomorrow, and e-cigs were discovered 20 years from now to cause pancreatic cancer, would it really matter?

I have said many times that the present e-smoking situation is untenable.

You are right. I just don't know how the FDA can make it better when they can't even keep the food safe.

And we've seen the results where governments HAVE considered e-smoking: Not one has approved it as now practiced. .

We can't forget the possibility that some of those governments might have a literal gold mine of tobacco tax revenue they wish to protect.

Unfortunately, the practice virtually demands assurances of safety, something that cannot be left to Chinese manufacturers who exist outside regulatory scrutiny..

We have had spinach in this country infected with e. coli and peanut butter that had salmonella. I know the Chinese don't have the best safety record, but does the US?

 

[WerkIt]

Well I mean even though i made up my mind to try snus instead, A part of me does not want to ditch the ecigarette because i see potential in it.

Definitely give snus a try. I did and it is now my primary form of nicotine. I put my e-cigs down for about 6 weeks due to snus. It's just so easy.

But that's another something I learned from TropicalBob. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. Use your e-cig. Use snus. Use disolvables like Stonewalls and Arivas. TropicalBob doesn't rely on one source and we don't have to either. If the FDA bans e-cigs, I have plenty of snus and I do love it. If snus is banned due to PACT, I have tobacco seedlings almost large enough to put into the ground as we speak. If you can, set up your nicotine and tobacco usage such that it no longer matters what the government does. Do not rely on government or corporations to supply your nicotine or tobacco. Rely on yourself only, if you can arrange it.

In conclusion. I will be honest with you. It was smokeless vs vape for me. Smokeless was very reassuring, but not as appealing. vaping was more appealing but not as reassuring. So i guess i was on a quest for reassurance, not a quest for antagonization

Mix it up. Have several forms of tobacco and nicotine at hand. You can even hand pick them for the situation. If you are concerned about e-cigs, maybe use them only at night when you get home from work and snus during the day. FInd what works best for you based on what is an acceptable level of risk for you.

 

[WerkIt]

A small part of me always thinks that why would ruyan ever publish any kind of study that wasn't ultimately positive in its favor. Its a business after all, and studies and statistics are always made by those getting paid to show a certain perspective.

Congratulate yourself for not being a zealot wearing rose-colored glasses.