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MacTechVpr

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PG and VG are both alcohols and given the correct conditions, they will burn.

In order for it to catch on fire, the gaseous vapor needs to reach a certain temperature in the presence of sufficient air. Under normal vaping conditions, the combination of evaporative cooling and airflow prevents that from happening.

Great explain @Rossum. Any of you using ceramic weave (RxW, Nextel) know full well how easy it is to get there (as you can pulse the media down to utterly dry without burning it). But get it that special kind of dry and hot, the right density of aerosol/air at just the right temp (ignition point) and voila, we have launch Houston. Or, just another candle wick.

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So my build and wattage heated it enough to make it burst into flame. Makes sense now. Thanks guys, I actually learned something today!

Maybe the thing you want to learn next is temperature controlled vaping. LOL.

Almost anything can catch fire, including water if you put it on the wrong type of electrical fire. Etc.

Anna
 
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anything can catch fire, including water
Sorry but there's just no way. Water doesn't react any further with oxygen, which would be what burning means.
Water could be looked at as the "ash" of burned hydrogen, it's already a "burned state" if you will.
Afaik there's one experiment where you can make water have a flame but that's under a fluorine atmosphere and technically it's not burning (because the water doesn't oxidize).

You probably mean water can be the source of oxygen for other material burning.
 

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Sorry but there's just no way. Water doesn't react any further with oxygen, which would be what burning means.
Water could be looked at as the "ash" of burned hydrogen, it's already a "burned state" if you will.
Afaik there's one experiment where you can make water have a flame but that's under a fluorine atmosphere and technically it's not burning (because the water doesn't oxidize).

You probably mean water can be the source of oxygen for other material burning.

One of my torches separates water into hydrogen and oxygen to burn. I've also been told by firemen that some fires get so hot they separate the incoming water and it starts burning.
 
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Maybe the thing you want to learn next is temperature controlled vaping. LOL.

Almost anything can catch fire, including water if you put it on the wrong type of electrical fire. Etc.

Anna

I have a basic rule of thumb when it comes to temp control — If it's uncomfortably warm to keep on the atty, it's too hot too soon to hit the switch. ;)

Good luck. :)
 

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I had a cap blow off once. There was'nt much force behind it, but it did get me to re-access some recklessness that had crept in.

Reckless legs will do you in and great tag…

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

I refer to it often as in our capacity for suspension of disbelief, a survival mechanism; the disparate road between ultimate enlightenment and the bite of the apple, our ruinous degradation. Once we learn to deceive ourselves we set the whole play in motion. The paradox of human existence.

Vape safe, enjoy and

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In both cases it's not water that burns...

It's all a matter of perception. The only thing in the fireman's stream of water to burn when the fire starts going down the stream of water is water. Water is hydrogen and oxygen which burns under the right conditions.
Where saying water absolutely does not burn would mean my torch wouldn't work.

Most things that are said to burn aren't actually the thing burning but a product of a chemical reaction, or else the thing said to burn would already be burning.
 
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Water is hydrogen and oxygen which burns under the right conditions.
It very well doesn't. It's really easy: you can't oxidize water -> water doesn't burn, it's impossible for H2O to burn, there are no conditions that will make it burn. If you know of one then do tell and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong but in absence of such evidence I won't change my mind. It's not a "matter of perception" if something is combustible or not otherwise our science would look very funny.

Yes, hydrogen can burn and the product is (if oxygen is used as oxidizer) - water. If you split the water you can get hydrogen but then it's not water anymore and you extracted a burnable fuel from it - far from water burning.
Hold a lighter to beer and it won't catch fire, if you extract the alcohol then that alcohol will burn but based on that I wouldn't say "beer burns".
 
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It very well doesn't. It's really easy: you can't oxidize water -> water doesn't burn, it's impossible for H2O to burn, there are no conditions that will make it burn. If you know of one then do tell and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong but in absence of such evidence I won't change my mind.

Yes, hydrogen can burn and the product is (if oxygen is used as oxidizer) - water. If you split the water you can get hydrogen but then it's not water anymore and you extracted a burnable fuel from it - far from water burning.
Hold a lighter to beer and it won't catch fire, if you extract the alcohol then that alcohol will burn but based on that I wouldn't say "beer burns".

You are getting scientific because the science is basic and easily known. H20 is water, HH 0 is not water, it burns, then it's water again.
For what you want to require for water to apply to everything else that we do say burns would make for a very dangerous universe. Spontaneous combustion would be common.
Imagine wood being as willing to ignite as free molecules of hydrogen and oxygen. Multiply that by everything that we say burns on this planet. The first spark anywhere and we would be a sun.
Wood doesn't burn, by applying heat you separated flammable gasses and they burn. Gasoline doesn't burn, the vapors from gasoline burn.
Water is just not easy to separate so its not considered flammable, that doesn't mean it won't.
 
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The reason you don't want to use water on class B fires is that most flammable liquids are lighter than the water.
They'll float on top of it and spread.
You don't use water on electrical fires because water conducts electricity.
You can electrocute yourself, or create short circuits that start more fires.
 
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