First dripping atomizer - trident

[vapo jam]

the screw caps are a pita? is this referring to the caps on the posts? again, i've only built an authentic trident, but i personally love them, it's so much easier to just lay the coil leads in the post and tighten instead of having to fiddle to get both of the leads into the tiny holes in the posts.

anyways, i'd recommend trying out a single coil first. fold the ekowool over itself 2-3 times, and wrap the wire directly onto the ekowool (no drill bit/microcoil with ekowool), 5-6 wraps should get you around 1.3 ohms. you can trim down the ekowool after wrapping the coil, but plan on trimming everything after the coil is installed on the trident.

once the coil is installed, throw it on your svd and you're good to go. nice thing about ekowool is you can dry-burn to clean it, so when it starts to gunk up, just fire until the coils glow and the ekowool turns white again.

 

[Ryedan]

I used a Trident clone for quite a while and loved it. I still have it, but since I got a Reo Grand I drip upside down now . I also really appreciate the post nuts. Back them off a bit and you have a nice sized opening in the posts to put the wire through and it also makes it easy to fiddle with dual coil placement. My center post slot was a bit shallow so I made it deeper with a Dremel. I have read of a few people having the center post come lose so I always kept the 510 positive screw tightened down. You lose the ability to adjust its position in the 510 connector, but I shimmed it under the screw head once with copper wire and that did it for me.

I found the best setup for me was dual micro coils at 0.5 ohms combined and cotton, but I never did try Ekowool or ordinary silica in it. The ability to change the air flow is great and really helps at first as you try different setups. As I'm sure you know, once you drill out an air hole you can't drill it smaller again. I did eventually drill out the dual holes to 2.2mm I think, just a bit bigger than stock. I liked the change but I never went higher for 0.5 ohms. I set up more for flavor rather than vapor.

One tip for you, watch out because the inside diameter of the cap where the coils are is smaller than you would think because of the air flow adjustment. Look at it and you'll see what I mean.

Hope you end up appreciating it as much as I did

ETA: I would also try it with a single coil at first. I think you're going to notice the watt limit with duals, but definitely try it and see how you like it. I was running at 25 - 30 watts with dual coils.

 

[K_Tech]

Hey I've decided to get myself my first dripping atomizer to use at home with my SVD. I have been thinking of rebuilding my first coil but I'm not sure if I want to get into it yet but in case I decide to do so later on I figured that a Trident clone would be a good choice.
If I got it all right they are usable straight out of the box at ~1,76 ohms.
I have seen a large amount of Trident build videos and it seems to perform really well with crazy vapor and flavor.
So I am wondering if the standard build that it comes with works as well as an fair rebuild would?

I understand that certain clones are worse than others but this one is said to be as close to the original as it could be.

-Muffin

Once you get the hang of those slotted posts, they're not bad, but can be a little frustrating depending on your manual dexterity. I've found they're a little easier if I back the screws out until they're barely threaded on, and then put the wires through the slots.

Trying to hold the coils in place while attempting to thread on the post screws can be frustrating.

However, I'll make a blanket statement that for the most part, the coils that come pre-made in most rebuildable atomizers are poorly made, and most rebuildables need a really good scrubbing upon arrival to remove any machining oils.

I usually pull the pre-made coils, toss them, and give the RDA a bath first thing.

 

[seek2]

Trident v2 was the 1st build I did myself.

Don't worry about building a coil. If you can wrap a string around your finger, you can build a coil. Now to make very pretty micro dual coils, that will take a few builds. But just grab the kanthal, wrap it around a screw driver a few times and you have your coil.

I own the trident v2 authentic and clone. And performance is the same. Clone (ehpro v2) has smaller holes and and an annoying air flow ring that spins freely. Authentic has bigger air flow, air flow rings that locks down, but a top cap from hell that is very hard to get off. My trident v2 is built at dual 24G at .25 ohms and hits so hard I only use it a few times a week. I don't think my top cap has been off in 2 weeks and today was gonna hit it, but was off (I think a screw may have backed off on one of the coils), and just put it away since removing the top cap wasn't something I wanted to deal with at that time.

It has a copper 510 so voltage drop is better than other rda's. Very easy deck to build on.

Work on your single coils to start.

I don't know the specs of the SVD, but amps will be your limit, so you will want coils in the 1.8-2.5 range and will work great.

A 7/64 (2.7mm) is the best coil size IMO for trident.

Good luck.

 

[monstermuffin]

Trident v2 was the 1st build I did myself.

Don't worry about building a coil. If you can wrap a string around your finger, you can build a coil. Now to make very pretty micro dual coils, that will take a few builds. But just grab the kanthal, wrap it around a screw driver a few times and you have your coil.

I own the trident v2 authentic and clone. And performance is the same. Clone (ehpro v2) has smaller holes and and an annoying air flow ring that spins freely. Authentic has bigger air flow, air flow rings that locks down, but a top cap from hell that is very hard to get off. My trident v2 is built at dual 24G at .25 ohms and hits so hard I only use it a few times a week. I don't think my top cap has been off in 2 weeks and today was gonna hit it, but was off (I think a screw may have backed off on one of the coils), and just put it away since removing the top cap wasn't something I wanted to deal with at that time.

It has a copper 510 so voltage drop is better than other rda's. Very easy deck to build on.

Work on your single coils to start.

I don't know the specs of the SVD, but amps will be your limit, so you will want coils in the 1.8-2.5 range and will work great.

A 7/64 (2.7mm) is the best coil size IMO for trident.

Good luck.

Are you sure? The SVD is limited to 5 amps and my AMW IR can handle far above that.

 

[Ryedan]

Are you sure? The SVD is limited to 5 amps and my AMW IR can handle far above that.

The SVD is limited to 5A. That your battery can handle more is good in that you won't be pushing that battery too hard, but it will not increase what your coil(s) can get from the system.

You probably know this, but just in case ... Here's a online Ohm's law (this includes Watt's law, but they are typically considered together) calculator. The amount of heat created by the coil is the power (watts). Plug in 4 volts, 1 ohm and click 'calculate' and you'll see you get 4 amps of battery draw (it's actually a bit higher in a regulated mod, but this is good enough for now) and 16 watts of power (heat).

The SVD's 5A and 15 watt limits mean it would not give you this power because the watts are too high for it. Change the resistance bigger and smaller in the calculator and you'll get a feel for what happens to the resulting change in the other two numbers.

With two coils in parallel, the combined resistance is half of each coil's resistance and this is what the mod and the battery see. Neither the mod or the battery care how many coils you have, it's all about the combined resistance for them.

With one coil of 1 ohm all the amps and watts are put into that coil. With dual coils the voltage is the same for both, but half the current (amps) drawn goes through each coil. So if you add a second coil of 1 ohm, the two combined will measure 0.5 ohms, draw twice the current and make twice the watts. In this scenario with our 1 ohm coil, you will have two draws of 4A adding to 8A and the power will be 32 watts. So, you will have two of the same coils each performing the same as the single coil did and each using the same power the single coil did.

If you want to keep the 4A draw and 16 watt output for the dual coil setup, you have to double the resistance of each coil to 2 ohms which in parallel makes 1 ohm. Battery draw is the same 4A, system power is the same 16 watts, but amps and power are split between the two coils. Each coil now sees 2 amps and makes 8 watts.

IMO 5A is not too limiting for a single coil, but 2.5A per coil is not great in a big RDA like the Trident.

I use mechanical mods. My Sony VTC3s and VTC4s are capable of 30A output and mech mods don't limit that so 8A and 32 watts is no problem at all.

 

[monstermuffin]

The SVD is limited to 5A. That your battery can handle more is good in that you won't be pushing that battery too hard, but it will not increase what your coil(s) can get from the system.

You probably know this, but just in case ... Here's a online Ohm's law (this includes Watt's law, but they are typically considered together) calculator. The amount of heat created by the coil is the power (watts). Plug in 4 volts, 1 ohm and click 'calculate' and you'll see you get 4 amps of battery draw (it's actually a bit higher in a regulated mod, but this is good enough for now) and 16 watts of power (heat).

The SVD's 5A and 15 watt limits mean it would not give you this power because the watts are too high for it. Change the resistance bigger and smaller in the calculator and you'll get a feel for what happens to the resulting change in the other two numbers.

With two coils in parallel, the combined resistance is half of each coil's resistance and this is what the mod and the battery see. Neither the mod or the battery care how many coils you have, it's all about the combined resistance for them.

With one coil of 1 ohm all the amps and watts are put into that coil. With dual coils the voltage is the same for both, but half the current (amps) drawn goes through each coil. So if you add a second coil of 1 ohm, the two combined will measure 0.5 ohms, draw twice the current and make twice the watts. In this scenario with our 1 ohm coil, you will have two draws of 4A adding to 8A and the power will be 32 watts. So, you will have two of the same coils each performing the same as the single coil did and each using the same power the single coil did.

If you want to keep the 4A draw and 16 watt output for the dual coil setup, you have to double the resistance of each coil to 2 ohms which in parallel makes 1 ohm. Battery draw is the same 4A, system power is the same 16 watts, but amps and power are split between the two coils. Each coil now sees 2 amps and makes 8 watts.

IMO 5A is not too limiting for a single coil, but 2.5A per coil is not great in a big RDA like the Trident.

I use mechanical mods. My Sony VTC3s and VTC4s are capable of 30A output and mech mods don't limit that so 8A and 32 watts is no problem at all.

Thanks för this clarification.
I will probably get into mech mods when i can afford it. But using a regulated is safer, right? So It might be good to start off here in case I mess something up.



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[Ryedan]

Thanks för this clarification.
I will probably get into mech mods when i can afford it. But using a regulated is safer, right? So It might be good to start off here in case I mess something up.

You're welcome monstermuffin.

Yes, using a regulated mod is safer. I was not suggesting you switch to a mech mod, just pointing out the difference. You may also find you never need the extra power mechanical mods offer. There are also a bunch of attys out there that do extremely well at lower power levels. Dual coils in any device push amp draw up. The new high power regulated mods are getting better and less expensive all the time too.

Mech mods also have drawbacks like your power changes with battery voltage drop, there is no shutdown when the battery voltage goes too low, no shutdown if you have a short, etc.

I'm sure you can use the Trident and SVD to get a very nice vape for you. Knowing what the limitations are will help you get the most of it.

Enjoy the experimentation and have fun with it