First time on the recieving end of ProVari hate

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At the risk of sounding a bit 'out there' I will just say that my personal belief is that it's a systemic problem with the human race. Not really the 'haters' fault. A lot people (not all) just lack enough humility to consider, even for a moment, that they may be mistaken or that someone else may know something they don't. Or even that others' viewpoints are equally as valid as their own.

As far as forums go, I've been on some that were nothing more than digital fight clubs. The fortunate things for us, as smokers and ex-smokers, is we're naturally sociable.

Back when I worked in retail, our break room was split in 2 - one non-smoking one smoking. There could be 30 people in the non-smoking break room and you could hear a pin drop. Open the smoking room door and you were hit with a wall of talking! I love smokers, we always have something to say. :laugh:

Also, as a free market capitalist guy, I love that there's lots of vendors, systems, etc. out there because competition means better products for us and lots to choose from! Yay!

As far as music goes, if it's quality I like it - regardless of genre. If aliens find my iPod in 1,000 years, they will be confused. When it comes to genius, I'm going to have to go with Rob Zombie. Freaking genius, and his movies? Downright disturbing on many levels. I love it!

I like 1%ers, they pay well and provide me a living. Also as a non-member of the rich folks, I get the trade off of a clear, uncluttered mind, wear jeans to work, and listen to Pandora all day. At quitting time, I leave and forget it.
 
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I really don't understand the "it's expensive, I can't afford it" mentality that many people have. I'll throw a lowball estimate out there that people were paying $4 a pack, probably per day on their habit. That is over $2,000 per year. Personally, I was spending 10% of my paycheck on smokes. Compared to smoking, there isn't a kit out there that is "unaffordable" to the average ex-smoker. If they are willing to put aside what they used to spend on smokes, 95% could probably buy a ProVari in a month or less. ProVari's are not exclusive, they are always in stock, and compared to some mods out there, mechanicals and Hybrids in particular, the ProVari is a mid-priced model. Just my two cents.

I agree with this but after seeing what you are saving by not buying a pack or more a day, it is hard to justify it in your head to make a purchase of this amount. Provari I would say are the high end of the average vapers setups, bc most dont think about purchasing a hybrid or mech, due to the more difficult use of a lot of these items. Plus most people who have switched from analogs to vaping are merely part a step program to kick the habit all together. If you have decided to continue vaping past your need for nicotine, then you might have an easier time buying items that are Provari price and up. Alot of people I notice who have a "high" end setup also are the ones who are vaping 0 nic or lower nic in there juice compared to the newer user who is getting off analogs.

Plus mechs and hybrids are for a different breed of vapers all together. The setups like a Pro, eVic, Vamo, _Maxx are the happy middle ground
 

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Huge fan of the late George Carlin. I didn't agree with all of his philosophies (just most), but he always was able to get you thinking about social and economic issues. Working in a hospital environment with doctors, administrators, big insurance companies, and often feeling like an unappreciated disposable pion in this system, I can certainly relate to what Carlin was saying.

It's rarely about what is best for an individual patient or what is in his best interest, its more about how can we get the most money from the insurance carriers. Or from the insurance carriers' viewpoint, what services can we disapprove of to save our investors the most money.

One would think working for a hospital that I would have great insurance. :lol: In order to take full advantage of my current insurance benefits, my kids have to go to the "in network" Children's Hospital 50 miles away in Dayton, instead of using the "not in the network" Children's Hospital right here in Cincinnati. Something's fishy in this setup. It's certainly not making things convenient for their customers.
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Huge fan of the late George Carlin. I didn't agree with all of his philosophies (just most), but he always was able to get you thinking about social and economic issues. Working in a hospital environment with doctors, administrators, big insurance companies, and often feeling like an unappreciated disposable pion in this system I can certainly relate to what Carlin was saying. It's rarely about what is best for an individual patient or what is in his best interest, its more about how can we get the most money from the insurance carriers or from the insurance carriers' viewpoint what services can we disapprove of to save our investors the most money.

One would think working for a hospital that I would have great insurance. :lol: In order to take full advantage of my current insurance benefits, my kids have to go to the "in network" Children's Hospital 50 miles in away in Dayton, instead of using the "not in the network" Children's Hospital right here in Cincinnati. Something's fishy in this setup. It's certainly not making things convenient for their customers.

Wait til you see what happens to smokers once the new health care law kicks in. Our insurance carrier is already telling people to brace for a HUGE jump if you smoke. Jury is still out on whether vaping counts or not. I think they're basing it on nicotine.
 

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Wait til you see what happens to smokers once the new health care law kicks in. Our insurance carrier is already telling people to brace for a HUGE jump if you smoke. Jury is still out on whether vaping counts or not. I think they're basing it on nicotine.

When my wife renewed our policy this fall E-cigs were included as smokers. Last year they did not make that distinction.
 

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Huge fan of the late George Carlin. I didn't agree with all of his philosophies (just most), but he always was able to get you thinking about social and economic issues. Working in a hospital environment with doctors, administrators, big insurance companies, and often feeling like an unappreciated disposable pion in this system I can certainly relate to what Carlin was saying. It's rarely about what is best for an individual patient or what is in his best interest, its more about how can we get the most money from the insurance carriers or from the insurance carriers' viewpoint what services can we disapprove of to save our investors the most money.

One would think working for a hospital that I would have great insurance. :lol: In order to take full advantage of my current insurance benefits, my kids have to go to the "in network" Children's Hospital 50 miles in away in Dayton, instead of using the "not in the network" Children's Hospital right here in Cincinnati. Something's fishy in this setup. It's certainly not making things convenient for their customers.

Insurance and big pharma have huge lobbies that line the pocket of the people occupying our government, who in turn let them write legislation.
 

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When my wife renewed our policy this fall E-cigs were included as smokers. Last year they did not make that distinction.

I'm sure that will become more and more commonplace -- but its definitely a per-provider basis. The policy through my work doesn't make the distinction, and also goes a step further in providing for up to $150 in hardware per member for the smoking cessation plan. I kinda hope that more take on the 'progressive' stance of mine, rather than the hardlined stance of yours :)
 
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