First time on the recieving end of ProVari hate

[Buzzsaw46]

I wouldn't complain if a screw backed out, I mean that's what screws do, but when the whole center post assembly is loose and can no longer maintain a solid connection with the battery that's an issue! An issue that should not happen with a product in this price range. My $20 DiD clone has been more reliable, that's just wrong!

 

[Rymarski]

I wouldn't complain if a screw backed out, I mean that's what screws do, but when the whole center post assembly is loose and can no longer maintain a solid connection with the battery that's an issue! An issue that should not happen with a product in this price range. My $20 DiD clone has been more reliable, that's just wrong!

Yea I definitely agree with you on that. But so far the ZAP has been working great. Hopefully since you fixed that you are also having a good experience.

 

[Buzzsaw46]

Yes, it has been good since I fixed it, but I have not taken it apart to re-wick and coil it since. I hope the problem was just an assembly issue that not enough surface was glued at the factory and I have it corrected now. If not I know how to fix it, and it only takes a couple minutes to clean dry and re-glue.

 

[subversive]

I feel "Provari hate" when someone specifically asks for reviews on inexpensive mods or kits and people recommend a Provari. That is not a recommendation that is taking into consideration the OP's needs. Someone who is vaping for two weeks and asks for cheap gear does not need a device that costs that much. People still use old-timey cartridges and standard size 510's because that works for them. A Provari isn't right for everyone. I hate wasting money, even other people's. A lot of newbies don't even continue with vaping. Some smokers will continue to smoke no matter the equipment or juice, and then they are stuck with an expensive device they don't use.

Obviously the OP in the linked thread wasn't concerned about cost, so Provari recommendations were perfectly fine. The poster giving you guys a rough time was being ridiculous.

 

[Rymarski]

I feel "Provari hate" when someone specifically asks for reviews on inexpensive mods or kits and people recommend a Provari. That is not a recommendation that is taking into consideration the OP's needs. Someone who is vaping for two weeks and asks for cheap gear does not need a device that costs that much. People still use old-timey cartridges and standard size 510's because that works for them. A Provari isn't right for everyone. I hate wasting money, even other people's. A lot of newbies don't even continue with vaping. Some smokers will continue to smoke no matter the equipment or juice, and then they are stuck with an expensive device they don't use.

Obviously the OP in the linked thread wasn't concerned about cost, so Provari recommendations were perfectly fine. The poster giving you guys a rough time was being ridiculous.

I agree with you on this. But, I noticed anyone who is recommended a non-reliable and cheap alternative will have many problems down the road. A smoker going into vaping does not like "finnicky" with what they do. When this new smoker is using this said product and is having issues such as breaking down, not functioning properly, etc. This will automatically sway them away from vaping and back to smoking. The important part for a new vaper is ease of use, juice selection, and having a reliable setup.

This was exactly why I went back to smoking when I was using the horrible 808 devices. So far I am pretty sure a standard Ego with good juice will keep anyone off smoking. If someone is really trying to quit smoking, a minimal setup of decent power and good e-liquid will keep them off cigarettes.

 

[corruption42]

I feel "Provari hate" when someone specifically asks for reviews on inexpensive mods or kits and people recommend a Provari. That is not a recommendation that is taking into consideration the OP's needs. Someone who is vaping for two weeks and asks for cheap gear does not need a device that costs that much. People still use old-timey cartridges and standard size 510's because that works for them. A Provari isn't right for everyone. I hate wasting money, even other people's. A lot of newbies don't even continue with vaping. Some smokers will continue to smoke no matter the equipment or juice, and then they are stuck with an expensive device they don't use.

Obviously the OP in the linked thread wasn't concerned about cost, so Provari recommendations were perfectly fine. The poster giving you guys a rough time was being ridiculous.

I agree -- but that shouldn't be Provari hate, as it gets directed. That should be "I didn't read the thread and feel like chiming in with absolutely no idea whats actually being discussed" hate -- and thats valid hate. If you're not willing to read what someone else put in their information request, then you should be equally unwilling to respond.

I've seen pretty much everyone in this thread recommend lower end hardware to people when it suits the OP's obvious desires... thats not to say there aren't others out there who toss it in there with no reference to the relevance in the thread, but those people deserve their own set of ire and shouldn't be lumped in with all Provari owners, just because we own and like Provaris.

 

[Buzzsaw46]

Is it wrong to point out the false economy of buy cheap buy often? For me that has been the case not just in vaping but other activities as well. I could have saved money by buying a ProV sooner. There are some who plan to use a device to get off nicotine, but I doubt those folks will end up on an enthusiast forum like this. This seems to be a place where long term vapors come to enhance their experience with vape gear.

 

[PLANofMAN]

...Obviously the OP in the linked thread wasn't concerned about cost, so Provari recommendations were perfectly fine. The poster giving you guys a rough time was being ridiculous.

I wouldn't say the he was not concerned about cost, (careful, you are making us sound elitist ) rather, he was wanting a durable, problem free mod that was put together using quality parts and machine work, and was willing to pay for that value.

In his own words...

...I didn't make my decision based on purchase price necessarily, but durability.

For me, high quality and dependability are paramount in this arena since I was a 1-1/2 - 2 pack a day smoker. If for any reason my e-cig stopped working during the day while I'm at work, my nicotine addiction would force me to buy a pack of analogs at lunch out of desperation, and I'm trying to get away from them completely...

 

[corruption42]

I agree with you on this. But, I noticed anyone who is recommended a non-reliable and cheap alternative will have many problems down the road. A smoker going into vaping does not like "finnicky" with what they do. When this new smoker is using this said product and is having issues such as breaking down, not functioning properly, etc. This will automatically sway them away from vaping and back to smoking. The important part for a new vaper is ease of use, juice selection, and having a reliable setup.

This was exactly why I went back to smoking when I was using the horrible 808 devices. So far I am pretty sure a standard Ego with good juice will keep anyone off smoking. If someone is really trying to quit smoking, a minimal setup of decent power and good e-liquid will keep them off cigarettes.

Opposite side of the same coin though, there's plenty of people who still swear by 808 auto devices to this day -- largely because of ease of use. It really just boils down to each individuals desires; and for those who want vaping to be as smoking-like as possible, those little disposables/weak charge batteries are just the thing to stay off cigs. Both my parents went from 40 year habits to 808 setups, and love it -- and that was after they killed a pair of eGo-T upgrade 2's that I gave them by mis-filling the Vivi Nova's I gave them. The eGo was just too much for them, at least at first, and they are much happier now that they have cig-a-likes that they consider reliable (with a litany of batteries to make up for low mAh ratings) and have made the switch over successfully.

Ultimately, thats the only thing that matters -- whatever works for you to keep you off cigs. If you can achieve that, you achieve victory.

 

[corruption42]

Is it wrong to point out the false economy of buy cheap buy often? For me that has been the case not just in vaping but other activities as well. I could have saved money by buying a ProV sooner. There are some who plan to use a device to get off nicotine, but I doubt those folks will end up on an enthusiast forum like this. This seems to be a place where long term vapors come to enhance their experience with vape gear.

Its not false, but it does ignore that this doesn't necessarily suit everyones needs. Whether its a mental level fixation on the general size and feel of a cigarette, or just no desire to invest that level of money when they're expecting to drop it eventually, everyone's desires and needs are different. For us, clearly the majority of us anticipate vaping well into the future, and bought accordingly... but we're not everyone.

 

[subversive]

So far I am pretty sure a standard Ego with good juice will keep anyone off smoking. If someone is really trying to quit smoking, a minimal setup of decent power and good e-liquid will keep them off cigarettes.

That's what I think as well. I always recommend a Riva/eGo kit with cartomizers for new vapers, but I always tell them it's my own go-to recommendation and that there are a lot of options.

 

[Koman]

That's what I think as well. I always recommend a Riva/eGo kit with cartomizers for new vapers, but I always tell them it's my own go-to recommendation and that there are a lot of options.

That's what I do as well!

 

[CountSmackula]

That's what I think as well. I always recommend a Riva/eGo kit with cartomizers for new vapers, but I always tell them it's my own go-to recommendation and that there are a lot of options.

As do I. I try to point true noobs to some of the 'better' (IMO) ego starter kits & make a few juice vendor recommendations. Where they go from there is up to them.

 

[Rymarski]

Opposite side of the same coin though, there's plenty of people who still swear by 808 auto devices to this day -- largely because of ease of use. It really just boils down to each individuals desires; and for those who want vaping to be as smoking-like as possible, those little disposables/weak charge batteries are just the thing to stay off cigs. Both my parents went from 40 year habits to 808 setups, and love it -- and that was after they killed a pair of eGo-T upgrade 2's that I gave them by mis-filling the Vivi Nova's I gave them. The eGo was just too much for them, at least at first, and they are much happier now that they have cig-a-likes that they consider reliable (with a litany of batteries to make up for low mAh ratings) and have made the switch over successfully.

Ultimately, thats the only thing that matters -- whatever works for you to keep you off cigs. If you can achieve that, you achieve victory.

In my personal experience 808's were not enough power and just didn't last long to my liking. This is where the goal of quitting smoking comes in and desires for nicer things kick in. In your case your parents love it, so hey if it works for them thats all that matters. If the power and vape experience suits them then perfect, they have reached there ultimate goal of quitting smoking. I did enjoy 808s and they got me to this forum. I'm sure if I got a better 808 and never visited this forum I would have reached my goal of not smoking either.

If they can make and go past the hump of stopping smoking for good it is the ultimate end goal. $300+ RBAs and collector items mods are just for show and tell IMO. They do offer a fantastic amount of power and vape experience though too.

 

[PLANofMAN]

As do I. I try to point true noobs to some of the 'better' (IMO) ego starter kits & make a few juice vendor recommendations. Where they go from there is up to them.

...after being water-boarded until they promise to purchase a ProVari so you can receive your kickback from ProVape, right? Isn't that what the haters want us to believe?

 

[corruption42]

Agreed completely -- I just enjoy playing devil's advocate for sparking stimulating conversation around people who are proud to be eloquent and thorough.

 

[PRIMER]

And not only do you have to be "jealous" of the "best" mod there is, you feel the need to find any discussion which is about the "best" mod and try to derail it by acting condescending and facetious...creepy.

Please don't hate us with your jealousy, just sayin...


See, its easy to spin that right around. Its really simple; we saw value in something with a good warranty, a reliable manufacturer and is built like a tank. It just so happens that its not one or 2 of us, but a large number of us; and we're very happy with our purchases. Why you can't accept that different people have different priorities, and your little world is exactly that, your little world, is beyond me and I pity you.

Do you really feel so vastly superior that you have to try to troll others? Pretty pathetic.

Whoa, relax!
I wasn't hating. It was late, I was bored, and this was the only thread active.
Prolly innapropriate, just playin around.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Whoops, I recommended a Snickers to PRIMER earlier, now I realize I should have offered this:

 

[corruption42]

Whoa, relax!
I wasn't hating. It was late, I was bored, and this was the only thread active.
Prolly innapropriate, just playin around.

And my response was at the end of an admittedly long and frustrating night of work for me, with the anticipation of the (almost) inevitable flood of haters coming flooding in. If you were kidding, you sure did so in a manner that will make most of us anticipate "here comes the chaff"

 

[Buzzsaw46]

As do I. I try to point true noobs to some of the 'better' (IMO) ego starter kits & make a few juice vendor recommendations. Where they go from there is up to them.

This is a valid recommendation for a true newb coming from a gas station disposable, but for someone looking for a mod in the Vamo, Zmax, eVic range I feel it is fine to suggest looking at a ProV even if they didn't specifically name it in their search for feed back.

I have bought three of the cheaper mods in hopes that it would live up to the hype, one was lost, one died the first time I dropped it out of warranty, and one I just don't care for. The one I don't care for I may have liked if I didn't have a ProV to compare it to, but I was using it last night with my new Terminator-C and noticed the power down button is not always working, I've had the device for just over a month and have only had one battery in it, so less than 15 hrs of use and one of the buttons is already wonky. Pretty hard to recommend that to anyone, but it is one of the most popular budget devices out right now.