That was what I was trying to say, though apparently I didn't do a very good job. The haters can't seem to understand how their hate doesn't help anybody who might actually enjoy owning a provari, and the worshippers who look down their nose at non-provari owners don't see they're doing the exact same thing. They all just want to complain about each other. I thought maybe the ProVari owners, who obviously make more money than I do so therefore should have more smarts than I do, might understand this, where as the haters are always gonna hate. I guess haters just goes both ways.
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That was what I was trying to say, though apparently I didn't do a very good job. The haters can't seem to understand how their hate doesn't help anybody who might actually enjoy owning a provari, and the worshippers who look down their nose at non-provari owners don't see they're doing the exact same thing. They all just want to complain about each other. I thought maybe the ProVari owners, who obviously make more money than I do so therefore should have more smarts than I do, might understand this, where as the haters are always gonna hate. I guess haters just goes both ways.
Exactly !! it was generalization of those trying to de-bunk a factual
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You said someone stated their opinion
If that's the feeling you were getting, then you should have phrased it as such. When ProVari owners get mocked for spending $200 on their device (where does that figure come from anyways? it's inaccurate), or told that repairs cost as much as a Vamo plus shipping, another blatant untruth, ProVari owners will get testy, myself included.
One thing is true...you won't typically find ProVari owners in the Vamo forum trash talking Vamos, or in the eVic forum trash talking eVics. The same cannot be said of the owners of those respective mods, as they routinely come into the PROVARI forums, despite not owning one, to explain to us why their mods are just as good as ours.
You are right, I don't see any provari owners coming into other mod forums mocking those mods. But I do all too frequently see provari owners coming into threads where new users are trying to get help, and being snobbish about their devices. Sure, that's where the haters love to hang out to, telling new people how horrible the provari is. But does this type of stuff need to be done when somebody is trying to get help? How are either one of you really doing anybody any favors? This is why there are so many "new user here, need help please" turns into bashing threads of one group against another. Surely you do see that. Or maybe you're a hater-hater, and can't see it. I don't know. But there seem to be a lot more people out there saying "this provair hater did this, or this provari hater did that" then there are "this provari worshipper said this". That must say something about which group is making the biggest fuss about things, and therefore probably causing the most problems.
It's these kind of comments that piss me personally, and ProVari owners, as a group, off. One owner chopped wood and did other tasks with a bad back and on a fixed income, upsetting both his doctor and his wife, so he could get a ProVari. He felt it was worth it.
Who are you to say this kind of thing? I worked weekends at a neighbor's doing yard work so I could get mine sooner. How many of us didn't spend over $1,000 a year on smokes? $2,000? $3,000? Just about every owner of a ProVari has said that it has cost less than a month's worth of cigarettes, and no more than two.
If you were phrasing your statement as sarcasm, you failed, because we do get comments like that, all the time, and from people who are not joking about it either.
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I really think if you would go back and read the thread that's linked, you would have a better understanding of how this came about.
As for suggesting a Provari to a newbie, if it fits their needs, wants and they are willing to spend the money, yes I will offer it as a suggestion. If it doesn't fit, I try and find other suggestions.
But when it does fit the needs, we get bashed on for suggesting it. Then we get to hear all the faults they have found about it, why their device is so much better and why we are idiots for making such a foolhardy suggestion when they can get the same for $50 and can buy four of their mods for the same price and so on.
In the linked thread, the OP expressly stated they were willing to spend the money on quality and durability. Many ideas where suggested, then the OP decided to go with the Provari. AFTER that decision had been made another poster came in and proceeded to explain how stupid that decision was, how the OP hadn't gone through the proper steps and wouldn't be able to enjoy how nice it was and how we should be ashamed for suggesting something like that to a person like that.
There are other posters that make it a point to pop in every time a Provari is suggested, to ANYONE, regardless of what they are looking for and why it's such a monumental waste of money and so on.
So yes, it goes both ways, and yes it doesn't help anyone, but regardless how well meaning we are, and sometimes even when we suggest something otherwise, we get trashed because we are known to have suggested a Provari at some point and time!
You obviously didn't read the first post of this thread, or follow the link, or read that thread. If you had, you wouldn't asking me if I was a "...hater-hater, and can't see it."
Ironic how you get insulted someone thinks you might be rich, but laugh it up when someone comments about "cheapy china mods"
Ok, I just deleted everything I typed up, as it was just argumentative and was going nowhere. Let me ask this in 2 simple questions. Do you believe that ProV worshippers or whatever you want to call them exist here on this forum? Second, do you think they are doing the forum and any new users any better than the haters who diss the ProV?
Of course. But you wouldn't know that I owned a Vamo and it broke because it was a "cheapy, china mod." You wouldn't know that I bought a ProVari to replace it, while I waited for another Vamo to come from China. So yeah, I know all about cheapy, china mods. I have low expectations of them, and I'm seldom surprised. That being said, I recommend Vamos more often than ProVari's, simply because they fit the needs of the person looking for a PV better.
I've earned my right to laugh.
Someone already asked that, using almost the exact same words, a couple of pages ago, and I answered them there. The least you can do is actually read this thread...Please.
And that answer alone answers my question. I'm done now. Talking to this group is like you guys talking to prov haters. No sense is ever going to be made of anything. It's the internet, take everything with a grain of salt. That's why, when I do see this kind of crap going on in newbie threads, I tell them to do their own research, and don't listen to anybody in particular, as more often then not, they're just going to get a bunch of personal opinions. Good luck, and enjoy your stereotypes. This is why I own a kawasaki, and will never own a harley, and the same reason I will never own a provari.
Well, I won't say I read the entire thread. TLR, but I read most of it. But I'm sure you all know that there probably just as many ProV worshippers as there are haters. Neither are doing this place any good.
No wonder it sounded similar, it was you asking that same question. Now I'm hurt and a little annoyed that you didn't even bother to read my answer the first time, or remember it. You also didn't read the linked thread the first time either, and admitted it. You probably realized the same thing, and hoped you wouldn't get called on it. If I didn't think for a minute that you were just to lazy to read that thread, or this one, I would call you a Troll for the things you've said in this thread.
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