I doubt I would worry about a little bit of rust. I'd probably just polish it off with a little steelwool and rock on.
But I'm an idiot... just ask my wife!
But I'm an idiot... just ask my wife!
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The adjustable 510 piece is Phillips cooper pin.
The piece holding the positive deck is a slotted end
Yeah, crappy metal being used my well explain the sulfur taste I reported a month ago. I can still taste it a little, even when taking a draw on just the drip tip when removed. Mine has a spot on it when I got it, but it hasn't rusted further, if that's what caused it.
You try throwing that thing in a UC cleaner with some soap or maybe an Eferdent, Willy? (unflavored Eferdent)
Yes, I went through the gamut including my UC three times, stripped every o-ring, post, screw and part off from it first. It's not as bad as it was, use has masked it but it's still there. I thought it was gone but when I used a light flavored juice I could taste it. The biggest improvement was replacing the stock drip tip, I was amazed how much I could taste it just drawing on the drip tip.
A good seller will open and test every atty personally, that explains part of your troubles, as far as the Orings, sometimes mine stick especially on the bottom, to the tank. But when rust is involved I'd send it back. That's why you go thru eBay, they care about the feedback so email then and they will usually take care of you.
Missing parts is bs tho just call him out, in an email, not on his feedback, and I bet hell fix it. Vapology is the seller I buy all my fogger v4 s from. He's great but he's on the east coast so shipping takes a day or two more.
If I was to buy another Fogger I'd buy one of the black coated in hopes there wouldn't be the bad taste or rust issue.
I have had a BIG FOGGER V4.1 for 3 months (all stainless), and a 22mm Fogger V4.1 (stainless with black plating) for about 2.5 months (?). I wanted something with 4ml larger capacity in the tank, and this FOGGER forum helped answer lots of questions for me, suggest builds, as well as some “MOD” to improve the atomizer – For all this I thank you all. These foggers were a bit tough for me to get “running” the way I wanted for my VAPE, and were worth the effort. This forum has been great!
With that said - I contacted YiLoong (not a Alibaba middle man…), and ordered a batch of their colored V4.1’s and sold them on EBay – I specifically said in my adds that I had opened (meaning that I broke the factory seal…) and check each Atomizer for: 1) 510 threading issues, 2) Post screw issues, 3) Used a LIGHT and a magnifier to check the Air flow holes for debris, 4) Content of the “accessory” package - did it have extra O-rings of all sizes, extra screws, screwdriver, etc. I'm a bit old “school” as a seller – My philosophy is “Would I be happy receiving what I just sold?” I want to “feel” confident that I was selling a Solid/good product such that the buyer wouldn’t be having any “mechanical” issues with their new atomizer right out of the box. So the foggers I sold - all had broken “factory seals” that went out my door.
(I am not trying to "drum up business here" - Just passing along some quality issues I noticed in YiLoong atomizers...)
One thing I noticed by having a large selection of the “same models” in front of me - to compare products out of the (assumption here..) manufacturing run was - that the air adjustment ring knurling; some were “spot on” others a little “light” but still grippy functional. Another thing I noticed was that some were screwed together very tightly, others not so much. I had to use my “MAR-LESS” pliers to separate several chimneys so that they functioned correctly. One atomizer was missing a “post screw” (replaced it with an extra screw I had.) The color plating quality was “good” over all, yet there were some that the quality of the plating was obviously better then others, and most tended to have a “light color” side. what I mean here is as you roll the atomizer around you could see a “lighter color or pigment density” on one side VS the darker other side. I am guessing its due to little or no agitation of the parts during the plating process. I didn't see any debris in the air channels.
I would buy more in the future, and will also try one of their V5's when I can get one-some.
With that said - I contacted YiLoong (not a Alibaba middle man…), and ordered a batch of their colored V4.1’s and sold them on EBay – I specifically said in my adds that I had opened (meaning that I broke the factory seal…) and check each Atomizer for: 1) 510 threading issues, 2) Post screw issues, 3) Used a LIGHT and a magnifier to check the Air flow holes for debris, 4) Content of the “accessory” package - did it have extra O-rings of all sizes, extra screws, screwdriver, etc. I'm a bit old “school” as a seller – My philosophy is “Would I be happy receiving what I just sold?” I want to “feel” confident that I was selling a Solid/good product such that the buyer wouldn’t be having any “mechanical” issues with their new atomizer right out of the box. So the foggers I sold - all had broken “factory seals” that went out my door.
(I am not trying to "drum up business here" - Just passing along some quality issues I noticed in YiLoong atomizers...)
One thing I noticed by having a large selection of the “same models” in front of me - to compare products out of the (assumption here..) manufacturing run was - that the air adjustment ring knurling; some were “spot on” others a little “light” but still grippy functional. Another thing I noticed was that some were screwed together very tightly, others not so much. I had to use my “MAR-LESS” pliers to separate several chimneys so that they functioned correctly. One atomizer was missing a “post screw” (replaced it with an extra screw I had.) The color plating quality was “good” over all, yet there were some that the quality of the plating was obviously better then others, and most tended to have a “light color” side. what I mean here is as you roll the atomizer around you could see a “lighter color or pigment density” on one side VS the darker other side. I am guessing its due to little or no agitation of the parts during the plating process. I didn't see any debris in the air channels.
I would buy more in the future, and will also try one of their V5's when I can get one-some.
First off, Happy World Vaping Day! Now to my story and questions.
I have been following and attempting to read all posts on this thread from the time I discovered it quite a while back (WHAT AN EPIC THREAD!). Throughout this time, I have bought 3 Foggers, two V4.3 (which I really like) and the V4.4 (which I don't like so much). Between buying the last 4.3 and the 4.4, I bought a Magma, which became my go to RDA. With a deep well and great airflow, I was extremely satisfied. I don't travel much, so I really did not need the use of a tank. I would come home after work, select several juices from my stash and drip away. I cleaned up my Foggers and put them away.
Well, I had to go on a trip this week taking about 5 hours by car - I needed a tank! I cleaned and rebuilt the 4.4 and it was exactly like I remembered - very low airflow and flavor. So I pulled out one of the 4.3 versions, rebuilt, filled and fell in love again! Great airflow and flavor, no leaking (some small gurgling when first filled).
Now, I really want to make my 4.4 perform like my 4.3. I read here how you guys drill out your Foggers, but I am not mechanically inclined (well the unemployement office thought so many years ago - ask me about that story if interested). I would really like to make this one as good as my 4.3s...so other than drilling it out, any other hints or tips?
Also - yes the 4.4 is authentic as per the pics and tips in this thread. It just seems the airholes are smaller outside and on the deck. Thanks a bunch in advance for any welcome tips!
I have been following and attempting to read all posts on this thread from the time I discovered it quite a while back (WHAT AN EPIC THREAD!). Throughout this time, I have bought 3 Foggers, two V4.3 (which I really like) and the V4.4 (which I don't like so much). Between buying the last 4.3 and the 4.4, I bought a Magma, which became my go to RDA. With a deep well and great airflow, I was extremely satisfied. I don't travel much, so I really did not need the use of a tank. I would come home after work, select several juices from my stash and drip away. I cleaned up my Foggers and put them away.
Well, I had to go on a trip this week taking about 5 hours by car - I needed a tank! I cleaned and rebuilt the 4.4 and it was exactly like I remembered - very low airflow and flavor. So I pulled out one of the 4.3 versions, rebuilt, filled and fell in love again! Great airflow and flavor, no leaking (some small gurgling when first filled).
Now, I really want to make my 4.4 perform like my 4.3. I read here how you guys drill out your Foggers, but I am not mechanically inclined (well the unemployement office thought so many years ago - ask me about that story if interested). I would really like to make this one as good as my 4.3s...so other than drilling it out, any other hints or tips?
Also - yes the 4.4 is authentic as per the pics and tips in this thread. It just seems the airholes are smaller outside and on the deck. Thanks a bunch in advance for any welcome tips!
everyone is getting them that way. there is nothing "sinister" going on here although it is an oddity. I have recieved several like this, all the seals have been broken. I suspect the Manufacturer opened them all up to check for some issue and just never put a new hologram sticker on them...
I have both a Fogger V4.3 and V4.4 and I really can't tell them apart in terms of how they vape. Flavor, throat hit and vapor are the same. Others have said similar things. Look for the posts that talk about finding machining debris in the airflow holes. I'd guess that you have the same problem with your V4.4 as they did.
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Hmm. My 4.4 had waaaaaay tinier air holes than my 4.2 and 4.3. Ask AMD. I could fit my 1/16 drill bit into the latter 2 and still have plenty of wriggle space, but couldn't even come close to fitting it into the 4.4. Had to ask amd to help me drill them suckers out to 2.5mm
I'm honestly perfectly fine w/ 4.4 air holes. Feels like the good old v2/3 to me and that was plenty. The ring was definitely a botch on Yiloong's part, but given that its a cheap RBA there's no reason to really moan about vs just filing it down. Same with air holes really- don't like it, fix it up. These are advanced devices, they aren't $100+, so no reason to expect utmost perfection out of the box.
So I'm still stumped with my fogger v4.1 and the gurgling but not leaking issue. The airholes are clean and free of metal shavings, my wicks do not touch the deck and curve cleanly into their respective channels (and perform really really well fwiw). I've cleaned out the mouthpiece and used cotton to absorb any existing juice in the mouthpiece hole, as well as down the chimney so it's not gurgling anywhere from there. I changed out all the o-rings except for the fill screw, but there is absolutely no sign of any kind of leaking anywhere. I swear, it's almost as if the gurgling would be juice sitting in the afc ring threads or something, so I put vaseline in the threads of the piece above it that holds the large o-ring that secures the bottom of the glass tank thinking maybe juice could be oozing through them somehow and into the afc ring threads, but still to no avail. Even used vaseline to water-seal all the threads, nada.
Ultimately, it starts off fine and performs just fine on tight or loose draws just like my other two foggers (clones), and it seems at it's best, it performs for a full tank, and then on a second tank fine until the capacity starts dropping to maybe half where it'll eventually give a gurgling. And it remains a consistent gurgle forever after that, never getting better or worse (vaping a full tank it just stays a little gurgly the whole way through, never starts leaking even on a tight draw setting the whole way through). Blowing upsidedown will ooze only the tiniest of juice out the airholes, I'd estimate it at maybe 1/8th of a drop out of each hole, almost nothing. Combining that, and flicking the whole tank upsidedown & wiping excess from the top where the drip tip sits alleviates the gurgling temporarily, yet it will return within an hour.
I really have no clue what is up with this thing or what else there is even to try, it's like some kind of voodoo magic going on. Speaking of voodoo magic, had worked on a friend's russian that was even more cursed than this. It would leak everything out the airhole. Had taken the entire thing apart, removed some plastic shavings that didnt belong, fresh o-rings, sealing all threads & chimney, and just like magic, it would defy all expectations and proceed to throw up juice just sitting there. Apparently it was examined by some b&m folks with the same results. Just saying, this isn't my first time dealing with voodoo magic
Ultimately, it starts off fine and performs just fine on tight or loose draws just like my other two foggers (clones), and it seems at it's best, it performs for a full tank, and then on a second tank fine until the capacity starts dropping to maybe half where it'll eventually give a gurgling. And it remains a consistent gurgle forever after that, never getting better or worse (vaping a full tank it just stays a little gurgly the whole way through, never starts leaking even on a tight draw setting the whole way through). Blowing upsidedown will ooze only the tiniest of juice out the airholes, I'd estimate it at maybe 1/8th of a drop out of each hole, almost nothing. Combining that, and flicking the whole tank upsidedown & wiping excess from the top where the drip tip sits alleviates the gurgling temporarily, yet it will return within an hour.
I really have no clue what is up with this thing or what else there is even to try, it's like some kind of voodoo magic going on. Speaking of voodoo magic, had worked on a friend's russian that was even more cursed than this. It would leak everything out the airhole. Had taken the entire thing apart, removed some plastic shavings that didnt belong, fresh o-rings, sealing all threads & chimney, and just like magic, it would defy all expectations and proceed to throw up juice just sitting there. Apparently it was examined by some b&m folks with the same results. Just saying, this isn't my first time dealing with voodoo magic
EVERY leaker I've had has been the result of user error: not wicked correctly. Well, there was that one time when I forgot to replace the fill screw.
Isn't that completely embarrassing when you finally realize that the reason there's a puddle on your desk or wherever was that stupid screw. Felt like an idiot thinking that I'd just removed it so how could I forget to put it back? So you get my sympathies.
As far as general leaking issues, have to agree. Its user error, a wicking problem. I haven't had any since I've shifted to using rayon but I did have a few with cotton. Usually too much vs too little if that points you in a direction to look. Even with the large deck with large channels Fogger V4.3 I never stuffed more than a token wisp of wick into the channel, instead keeping most just near the channel on the deck. I'd go so far as to start screwing on the chamber then push from the bottom any bits of wick in the channel and tug from the top making sure there's almost nothing in the channel then finish screwing on the chamber then chimney and test firing a last time. Otherwise I can't offer any helpful suggestions.
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Yeah, cotton wick in a Fogger was a real PITA! Hard to get just right, and you have to change it every 2-3 days! Rayon made Fogger life SO much easier: Jam the wick full, thin the tails, point the tails in the general vicinity of the deck, and that stuff will suck up your juice like a ShopVac! Then kick back and enjoy because you won't have to do it again for at least a week!
Huntersgreen66, IF the seller had said "I opened the packages to check for the integrity of the contents" in their posting, that would have been acceptable. Kudos to you for going that extra mile, especially considering the complaints about stripped and non-threading coil screws.
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