I am pretty sure Chris Mathews is the only person that still actually watches MSNBC.
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I am pretty sure Chris Mathews is the only person that still actually watches MSNBC.
It's funny how the ultra-liberals are disparaging of Fox and anyone who is moderate to conservative in viewpoint. Yet Fox was the first and only national news organization that came out in favor of vaping (John Stossel Report) and it was conservative judges appointed by the previous administration that saved vaping from the liberal administration that has been trying to have vaping banned since 2009.
I'm not trying to say that one side of the political equation has all the answers and the other doesn't. But when it comes to vaping, the facts and the experts in the Harm Reduction field, all support the proposition that a moderate to conservative change in national politics will be a benefit to vaping.
I find it ever so tragically humorous that we're here battling over networks while we're being 'up butted' by DC...
I think it's interesting that I disparage the integrity of faux news and everybody assumes I'm a liberal who reads nothing but the Huffington post and watches Rachel Maddow, especially since they themselves admit fox is biased. Back to the actual topic though, My concerns over RJR making an e-cig would be the additional chemicals they'll add and the child marketing they've done all along with the analogs
The people in power could care less if the populace is armed. Good luck going against the American government with a gun. All you'd be doing is giving them a target to cut down.
Those in power dont need to control through force. People are dumb. And lazy. Americans dont even protest things, we watch them happen on 50 inch televisions and grumble. Its so easy to manipulate the American public, we dont even think for ourselves. We dont even educate ourselves about anything that won't make us money. Were too comfortable to do anything. People get paid to not work. People get checks to have a bunch of kids they cant take care of for christ's sake. What we call poor in this country is still pretty comfortable living compared to alot of places around the world. Why would anybody revolt? Were so easily manipulated, they have tools like fox news and msnbc and the music industry to tell us what and how to think about anything and everything. Look at the Iraq war. They never presented the first bit of evidence linking anybody in Iraq to 9-11 and half the country supported the decision at the time, why? Our lives are a poorly scripted film. We are DUMB. They tell us something once, everybody goes, "thats the most ridiculous thing I ever heard", they say it another 50 times and we're like "well, its gotta be true, they said it 50 times." Nobody's going against the government with any guns, they wont even take a couple hours out of their day to march or file a lawsuit.
Anyways revolting isnt the answer. It wouldn't be any people's army against the corrupt government meeting on the plains with muskets in a fair battle, thats the past. It'll be the tv show called the American people vs. the couple of despicable American terrorists. The answer is education. Education produces awareness and effective and productive people. We're simply being outsmarted.
Attypop, you are a scholar and a gentleman sir for all the news and updates and feedback you have been providing us on this new product. A big cheers to you!
A question - why the big deal about it being 'made in the USA.'
I live in Asia which has the biggest population in the world and the buzz is all about EUROPEAN made products being the best, high end, high class etc.
So is it that they are claiming American made is better or safer or do Americans feel safer using American made products and they are pandering to that fear as one of many nefarious parts of their plan to capture the market?
Just a question from an English guy with many American mates and writing from my favorite brand of computers - HP - American made. Well, I can't afford a Dell bought outside of the US, man you guys are lucky the prices you get on US made computers!
I dig Ovale and Janty when it comes to pv's and juices though and they're European and top notch (I'm sure American made ones are too, just never tried them.)
So yeah what's the deal about them pushing the 'American made?' I understand fears about Chinese made, I live here lol and am weary of Chinese made myself....
Oh also I see another tobacco company bought out BLU. Are BLU any good, how would they compare for example to an ego-t set up? I ask because I'm curious why these companies are making cig-alikes instead of copying the model of Janty, Joytech etc with bigger battys, atties and refillable tanks and juice bottles etc.
Cheers.
A question - why the big deal about it being 'made in the USA.'
I live in Asia which has the biggest population in the world and the buzz is all about EUROPEAN made products being the best, high end, high class etc.
So is it that they are claiming American made is better or safer or do Americans feel safer using American made products and they are pandering to that fear as one of many nefarious parts of their plan to capture the market?
Just a question from an English guy with many American mates and writing from my favorite brand of computers - HP - American made. Well, I can't afford a Dell bought outside of the US, man you guys are lucky the prices you get on US made computers!
I dig Ovale and Janty when it comes to pv's and juices though and they're European and top notch (I'm sure American made ones are too, just never tried them.)
So yeah what's the deal about them pushing the 'American made?' I understand fears about Chinese made, I live here lol and am weary of Chinese made myself....
Oh also I see another tobacco company bought out BLU. Are BLU any good, how would they compare for example to an ego-t set up? I ask because I'm curious why these companies are making cig-alikes instead of copying the model of Janty, Joytech etc with bigger battys, atties and refillable tanks and juice bottles etc.
Cheers.
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The US has had a huge ongoing propaganda effort since the 70s to get people to buy American. Generally there are claims that we have the highest quality on everything (fewer and fewer people are buying this any more) and the rest is aimed at national pride and telling people they have to buy american to stimulate the national economy or their employers will go out of business.
This is all marketing gibberish from RJR. Only device with a microprocessor designed for the perfect puff every time? What the heck does this even mean? Is the juice flow monitored and controlled by a microprocessor? Is the amount of gunk on the coil monitored and adjusted for by a microprocessor? Is the air flow monitored and controlled by a microprocessor? Is how hard you draw monitored and controlled by a microprocessor? Because all of these and more would have to be monitored and controlled to deliver the perfect puff every time. Hogwash!
One RJR and other big tobacco companies do not want the FDA to classify e-cigs as a tobacco product. They understand how taxes (federal and state) skyrocket which kills the profit margins. The influx of big tobacco is a good thing it means they are seeing potential for profit and growth. It also means they will be spending big money to stop this new industry from being regulated like the analog industry. It also means if they make money they will invest in R&D which benefits everyone, a better mousetrap will be built every 6 months to a year. As far as American made goes that will only be a marketing pitch, as soon as demand rises they will be outsourced and the only American component will be the nicotine.
I am not surprised that RJR is misrepresenting their ecig product, haven't they been doing this for years to us former smokers? They lie, they add addictive things to cigs, on and on. They have not changed! bnrk
I try to buy from American companies when possible (even if the actual product was imported by them), not because I think it is a superior product, not because I fear foreign products (most products are imports anyway), but because I understand the laws that govern American companies as far as privacy and legal recourse if a product catastrophically fails.
Someone linked a story on ECF recently about a man who had an eCig battery blow up and knock his teeth out. If that happened to an American and he bought it from an American company (regardless where the product was made) the company could potentially be held liable and have to pay his medical expenses. If he had bought it from ANY other country then he would have practically zero legal recourse and would have to pay all medical bills himself.
I also mentioned Privacy laws. The laws about what information a company can collect about you, how they can use that information, and who they can sell that information to are different for every country. I just prefer to work within the boundaries of what I know.
No, it's not a good thing. They are supporting legislation that will remove products, other than their own vastly inferior mini model PV's, from the market place. If you like small stick battery models with sealed carts only, then you will like BT controling the vaping market.
I caught that too. It started with wv2win's post. I see it so often. Conservatives are ALWAYS on the edge, always quick to criticize anyone who thinks outside of their box. Terrorist....Communist.....Liberal.....etc etc. All names branded by the elite, meant to separate the populace and make us weaker.
Again, I re-iterate my first post in this thread. The left/right paradigm is getting OLD. It is 2013!
I grew up in Chicago. I know republicans AND democrats, and BELIEVE ME.....if you buy into either party, the ones at the top are having a GOOD chuckle...at YOUR expense.
The people in the know, the ones who make things happen in this country and internationally, support BOTH parties. You guys who claim to be democrat, or republican, probably didn't know that, did you? Openly, they pretend to be either conservative, or liberal. Either republican, or democrat. Financially, they line the pockets of BOTH parties. I happen to know this for a fact.
Don't you guys realize, that the VERY wealthy, international elitists, who couldn't give rats ***ses about this country, are the ones who benefit the MOST from a two-party political system? By putting up TWO parties, thus ensuring MOST americans are either voting for ONE or the OTHER......they have COMPLETE control.
Again, all the issues that repubicans and democrats seem to fight over are SUPERFICIAL. The REAL issues, they are in complete unison on. For instance, remember the BAILOUTS? All the republicans and democrats wanted it. They ALL supported it. They ALL said we needed it, or our economy would collapse , etc. Fear mongers.
If you REALLY study the history of America, our foreign policy, the PURPOSE of our country (what relevance it has internationally), you will realize that the real people in power, who control us via the republican/democrat parties, factions within our government, media, etc - they don't CARE AT ALL for americans.
Also, it sickens me to hear people say "Well , yea, fox news and CNN are bad....but hey, I'm smart enough to watch them and see through the BS!"
If you were REALLY smart, you would turn off your TV, and learn to use the internet as a constructive tool to YOUR benefit. There are TONS of non-bias, non-political, agenda-less journalists, reporters, blogs, and web-sites via which you can get instantaneous news around the globe, 24/7.
Government never solved anything. It is a necessary evil, and our very FOUNDING fathers UNDERSTOOD THIS. That is WHY the constitution was drafted. That is WHY this country was originally designed the way it was. By free masons, no less. They didn't want a bunch of wealthy elitists, dominating the media outlets, the government, the politics, and the lives of the average American person. They wanted our government to play a MINIMAL role in our lives.
Slowly but surely, we were invaded. Not from without, but from within. Most good things get corrupted over time. Original intentions get overrun by greed, selfishness, pride, ego, and superficial, shallow pursuits.
America isn't so much the land of the free, but more so a giant BATTERY, being used on the world stage, and WE ARE THE CELLS. The republican/democrat parties no longer serve american citizens, but more so use us, and treat us like cattle. Isn't it a wonder that most members of the House/Senate have dual-citizenships of Israel?
Anyway, I've said enough
/rant over
I was tempted to like you post, because I agree with pretty much all of it.
But while education certainly should be the key, it isn't.
Education has been taken over, and all they feed children these days is garbage.
Education, as an institution is not the key, it is a big part of the problem.
The people in the know, the ones who make things happen in this country and internationally, support BOTH parties. You guys who claim to be democrat, or republican, probably didn't know that, did you? Openly, they pretend to be either conservative, or liberal. Either republican, or democrat. Financially, they line the pockets of BOTH parties. I happen to know this for a fact.
Don't you guys realize, that the VERY wealthy, international elitists, who couldn't give rats ***ses about this country, are the ones who benefit the MOST from a two-party political system? By putting up TWO parties, thus ensuring MOST americans are either voting for ONE or the OTHER......they have COMPLETE control.
Again, all the issues that repubicans and democrats seem to fight over are SUPERFICIAL. The REAL issues, they are in complete unison on. For instance, remember the BAILOUTS? All the republicans and democrats wanted it. They ALL supported it. They ALL said we needed it, or our economy would collapse , etc. Fear mongers.
If you REALLY study the history of America, our foreign policy, the PURPOSE of our country (what relevance it has internationally), you will realize that the real people in power, who control us via the republican/democrat parties, factions within our government, media, etc - they don't CARE AT ALL for americans.
Also, it sickens me to hear people say "Well , yea, fox news and CNN are bad....but hey, I'm smart enough to watch them and see through the BS!"
If you were REALLY smart, you would turn off your TV, and learn to use the internet as a constructive tool to YOUR benefit. There are TONS of non-bias, non-political, agenda-less journalists, reporters, blogs, and web-sites via which you can get instantaneous news around the globe, 24/7.
Government never solved anything. It is a necessary evil, and our very FOUNDING fathers UNDERSTOOD THIS. That is WHY the constitution was drafted. That is WHY this country was originally designed the way it was. By free masons, no less. They didn't want a bunch of wealthy elitists, dominating the media outlets, the government, the politics, and the lives of the average American person. They wanted our government to play a MINIMAL role in our lives.
Slowly but surely, we were invaded. Not from without, but from within. Most good things get corrupted over time. Original intentions get overrun by greed, selfishness, pride, ego, and superficial, shallow pursuits.
America isn't so much the land of the free, but more so a giant BATTERY, being used on the world stage, and WE ARE THE CELLS. The republican/democrat parties no longer serve american citizens, but more so use us, and treat us like cattle. Isn't it a wonder that most members of the House/Senate have dual-citizenships of Israel?
Anyway, I've said enough
/rant over
Thats the thing alot of people dont get. The 2 party system works so well for the rich because its in our biological makeup as humans to be want to be bound to a group of others that are similar to us in some fashion, and to also be paranoically guarded against a threat. The 2 party system satiates both needs very effectively. The thing people dont ever stop to think about is that no matter what party is in office the same agenda is being pushed, the candidates never even make good on what the promises that they get us to vote them into office on anyway because we will forget the day after theyre inaugurated. The objective for the rich isnt to push the agenda of the people that call themselves dem or the gop thats why those issues are never pushed. The only thing that does seem to change is an increased reallocation of wealth. More labor and resources being reallocated from the pockets of the lower and middle class into the bank accounts of the wealthy. Its irritating to watch democrats and republicans carry the flag and rail against people over issues that never even come to the table and never will come to the table.
I agree with what the guy said about reading between the lines though. I think if you make available to yourself a wider breadth of information you are in a lot better of a position to watch shows like that and judge whats more likely than not and why they would report things the way they report them. There are definitely more reliable news sources on the internet, but also a lot of garbage. And also a lot of true lies. Fox and msnbc dont just lie 24/7, I mean they do report on real stories, its just that they harp on biased nonsense and twist the facts so far out of shape that they end up almost flat out lying and decieving people alot of times. They pick and choose what theyre going to report as news, and its always stories that further the agenda of whoever will pay that networks salary. And as a result they keep alot of ignorant people more ignorant who look to those networks as sources of truthful and comprehensive information. I mean its laughable that there are alot of people who dont even think of those stations as biased. But it actually makes perfect sense, if you dont know anything else, you cant question what youre being fed. I wouldnt lump CNN in with them though. CNN isnt exactly hardcore news reporting and they do have a leftist slant, but they are far from being in the same category with msnbc.
Truth is, the masses arent entertained by news, thier entertained by drama and thats what fox and msnbc and local news channels provide, drama. Violence, hatred, anger, fear, something new everyday to hate and fear coming to get you, its what they specialize in. Bill oreilly, glenn beck, rachel maddow, chris matthews, theyre as much news reporters as jimmy fallon is.
Funny thing is, alot of the 1980-2010's democratic tenets used to be republican tenets and vice versa. The parties dont mean anything, its just a way to make people antagonize each other instead of the folks who are stealing our labor and wealth. I mean if this was a real democracy and there was a real campaign between 10 or 12 different parties who actually represented the peoples interests as opposed to the interests of a very small and well off portion of the population, maybe there would be a chance to fix some problems. As it stands we get the same guy over and over from the same cartel, in most cases forcibly taking away an ever increasing percentage of our labor through taxes, credit, banks, inflation, fines, loans, insurance, etc. and giving it to someone 9000 times as wealthy to make more money with.
For sure kids are fed a lot of useless information in alot of schools, but its not that education is a bad thing, its that kids arent being taught anything of much value other than how to be a good cog in the system, how to make some rich guy richer. Schools aren't educating, theyre training. And in alot of cases they arent doing either very well at all. I have alot of friends and family that are teachers. Im gonna start teaching soon. Ive seen the horror stories and what happens to people who arent educated sufficiently. They are destined to not have much control over what they can do or what resources are at thier disposal or even the talent, confidence or drive to gain new skills as adults, be more apt to have anger about things that are affecting thier lives and less apt to know what to do about it other than explode and crash into other people and get locked up. Education gives you abilities, theres power in being educated. A well educated populace is the best defense against tyranny in the 21st century. And theres education outside of formal schools anyway.
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