Frustrated as hell and ready to give in...

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sam12six

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It sounds like you may have too high expectations from the whole thing. That's not a slam, I went through the same thing. Reading on forums how much people just LUUUUUV vaping - well, I never did and (despite trying lots of different juices and delivery methods) never found myself looking forward to a vape the way I once looked forward to a smoke. I just felt like I was missing out on something.

It wasn't until I changed mindsets that I found satisfaction. It's like watching foodies eat - they roll their eyes and moan as they lay back looking weak in the knees. Eating the same stuff, I'm like, "Yeah, it's good.", but that's all. Anyway, I stopped looking at vaping as something that could potentially bring me orgasmic pleasure and something I had to put up with so I wouldn't want to smoke. After all, you never hear people rave about how great a patch feels stuck to their skin. Nowadays vaping still doesn't make me want to pee myself, but I'm content and happy not to be smoking.

For the record, here's my impressions on the best vapes:

Unless you want high wattage, battery doesn't matter much. It's all about form and mAh (though I do really like automatics, which is often treated as heresy around here).

For me the only real criterion when choosing a juice is nic and throat hit. Since you don't really taste the juice (It's more like you smell it), as long as I don't actively dislike it, it's fine.

The most consistent delivery method I've encountered was 808 prefilled cartos. You're limited in juice choice, but in my experience, they're the exact same vape from full to dry.

The "best" vape for me has been clearos. I like a hot vape and a top coil clearo provides that. The drawback at this point is that they're inconsistent. One won't leak at all and the next will leak catastrophically, one will overwick and sputter and the next will need a slit cut in the silicon gasket to wick properly.

The setup I've settled on is ego style batteries (I like knockoffs. Some might say they're lower quality (and they could be right), but I can get 2 for ten bucks if I'm willing to wait for delivery from China). I use CE4 clearos and just accept that I'll get one that overwicks or leaks every now and then. I'm not a wealthy man, but I can afford to throw $2 away every now and then. For juice, I generally go with Hangsen menthol, though I keep a bottle of DKtab around because I'll occasionally crave the aftertaste of it.
 

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It sounds like you may have too high expectations from the whole thing. That's not a slam, I went through the same thing. Reading on forums how much people just LUUUUUV vaping - well, I never did and (despite trying lots of different juices and delivery methods) never found myself looking forward to a vape the way I once looked forward to a smoke. I just felt like I was missing out on something.

It wasn't until I changed mindsets that I found satisfaction. It's like watching foodies eat - they roll their eyes and moan as they lay back looking weak in the knees. Eating the same stuff, I'm like, "Yeah, it's good.", but that's all. Anyway, I stopped looking at vaping as something that could potentially bring me orgasmic pleasure and something I had to put up with so I wouldn't want to smoke. After all, you never hear people rave about how great a patch feels stuck to their skin. Nowadays vaping still doesn't make me want to pee myself, but I'm content and happy not to be smoking.

Sounds a lot like the boat I'm in... I don't want a smoke, so it's doing the job... But I know it can be better, at the same time... And because I KNOW it can be better, I feel that I NEED to find a way that makes it better... I'm not content with mediocre... I don't need mind-blowing, but getting the taste from the juice I have the way it's supposed to be is turning into a major chore, expense and headache... Make any sense?
 

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sorry, but I just read your initial post and the end here so if this has been said before I apologize- get a protank , protank2, or dbox puritan. I fill in the morning and never have a problem with any of them. vape all day without thinking about or worrying about it. something like a couple of vision spinners or itaste vv v3, or itaste mvp would all work. I think the hard part is finding juice that tastes as good at the end of the day as it does when you first try it.so far , wta does it for me . it's NOT smoking, it's nicotine replacement without the bad side effects. I know I don't miss smoking and will never slide back. good luck!
 

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Hey Stomper ---

I think you are well on the way to that happy place. MHO. Not craving the analogs is a very good indicator. As you well know, it has to be your decision to continue to pursue vaping. Keep at it!

I think we all have our frustrating days. I know, I do and also that I have found my ways to get through them. It's not abnormal.

I also feel it is wise to not just keep trying another battery container or the newest atomizing device on the market at this time. Later you can go shopping to balance out your wardrobe of devices is you desire.

You've had a gazillion of ideas mentioned. About the only one I haven't seen is --- take a look at your PG/VG blend. If you are high on VG and needed 3 holes, that might be a big part of the carto tank problem as VG liquids can be quick thick.

What helped me the most was staying with a few liquids and a few devices and just simply using them. If I got frustrated, I picked up another type and sometimes another flavor. I still have some of those "flavor changer" juices around (ones that are far different than my favorite blends), but I rarely need them anymore.
 

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Hey Stomper ---

I think you are well on the way to that happy place. MHO. Not craving the analogs is a very good indicator. As you well know, it has to be your decision to continue to pursue vaping. Keep at it!

I think we all have our frustrating days. I know, I do and also that I have found my ways to get through them. It's not abnormal.

I also feel it is wise to not just keep trying another battery container or the newest atomizing device on the market at this time. Later you can go shopping to balance out your wardrobe of devices is you desire.

You've had a gazillion of ideas mentioned. About the only one I haven't seen is --- take a look at your PG/VG blend. If you are high on VG and needed 3 holes, that might be a big part of the carto tank problem as VG liquids can be quick thick.

What helped me the most was staying with a few liquids and a few devices and just simply using them. If I got frustrated, I picked up another type and sometimes another flavor. I still have some of those "flavor changer" juices around (ones that are far different than my favorite blends), but I rarely need them anymore.

Currently have 5 tanks all loaded with 50/50 blends... Used 70/30 in the clearos when I started... In my VMOD, I use VG-based liquids... I have no desire to buy more "mods"... I have 3 tubes and a bunch of Twists... Just working on getting them to taste right currently... Thanks for the input!
 

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Sounds a lot like the boat I'm in... I don't want a smoke, so it's doing the job... But I know it can be better, at the same time... And because I KNOW it can be better, I feel that I NEED to find a way that makes it better... I'm not content with mediocre... I don't need mind-blowing, but getting the taste from the juice I have the way it's supposed to be is turning into a major chore, expense and headache... Make any sense?

Sure it makes sense. On the other hand, it does sound like you expect it to be a pleasurable hobby just because some other people find it so. I love to shoot pool. I can do it for hours and be blissfully happy. I have friends who are saying, "My God!! Can we please go DO something?!?", after 3 racks. Maybe vaping is just something you're never going to actively enjoy. Like I said, for me, when I accepted it as an inconvenience that would let me not crave cigarettes and stopped expecting it to be this joyful pastime, things got much better.
 
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I have quit... Not a single analog in 2 1/2 months and very, VERY infrequent cravings for one... Just haven't found my happy place in regards to vaping yet...

bottom feeder vmods got me off stinkies.
I now use a reo with a 1.7ohm shorty carto. They soak up the juice real nicely from a BF, and there isn't a whole lot of batting to get in the way and clog up.

I will send you one to try if you PM me. :)

I kinda prefer them over cisco spec and 306 atties now, they are less "airy" draw for me.


I also have lots of arthritis in my hands so building coils and RBAs are off the table for me permanently.

I'm kinda with sam12 on this.....I can't say that I LOVE vaping. I'm one of those who is lowering my nic little by little, as I want to get off vaping too, as I find it's still not the ultimate freedom I want.

I vape because I wn't smoke stinkies anymore, plain adn simple. Some days I like it a lot. Some days I really do not. I'm not head over heels about vaping, it is just harm reduction and way to stay off analogs for me so I DO it. I have too many hobbies already, and a very limited income, so not spending more $$ is attractive to me, and the less time I spend fiddling around with vaping stuff, the better. I know some people enjoy fiddling.....I do not.
 
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Currently have 5 tanks all loaded with 50/50 blends... Used 70/30 in the clearos when I started... In my VMOD, I use VG-based liquids... I have no desire to buy more "mods"... I have 3 tubes and a bunch of Twists... Just working on getting them to taste right currently... Thanks for the input!

You might want to try 70/30 blends for your carto tanks. And, though I've used some thicker liquids in vmod, I usually use 60/40 or 70/30 in my feeders.

Also, I personally do not care for all VG liquid. I get icky taste & coated mouth very easily with that. This might be part of what you are running into with the flavor trouble. I've even read of people that have a problem with PG and use 100% VG have a mint or mouthwash of some type to help handle that. Sorry, I don't recall the specific name.

Remember too, PG is for flavor and VG is for plume and some sweetness.
 
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Sure it makes sense. On the other hand, it does sound like you expect it to be a pleasurable hobby just because some other people find it so. I love to shoot pool. I can do it for hours and be blissfully happy. I have friends who are saying, "My God!! Can we please go DO something?!?", after 3 racks. Maybe vaping is just something you're never going to actively enjoy. Like I said, for me, when I accepted it as an inconvenience that would let me not crave cigarettes and stopped expecting it to be this joyful pastime, things got much better.

Good points... Definitely something to take into consideration... Thanks, again! I appreciate the insight!
 

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You might want to try 70/30 blends for your carto tanks. And, though I've used some thicker liquids in vmod, I usually use 60/40 or 70/30 in my feeders.


Also, I personally do not care for all VG liquid. I get icky taste & coated mouth very easily with that. This might be part of what you are running into with the flavor trouble. I've even read of people that feel they have a problem with PG and use 100% VG have a mint or mouthwash of some type to help handle that. Sorry, I don't know the name of it.


You might be thinking of Biotene. It's for dry mouth and comes in a rinse or gel. Some people don't like the taste, but the stuff is brilliant for soothing your mouth and throat.

As I posted earlier, my way of getting a good vape is to switch devices just about every other puff.
 
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Have you tried the iclear 30 ,by innokin I think it is , I was on the verge a few times of going back to cigs and this is what saved me. I know everyone has there own opinion about tanks and such but for me this have the flavor I was looking for as we'll as the throat hit. Juices I couldn't really taste in other devices came through and some of the stronger flavors where almost to much it. Some say the pro tank is better but to me it muted the flavor.
 

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When I first started I tried a bunch of different stuff and still couldn't get off the cigs all-together. Then one day I got a juice in the mail that rocked! I learned that day that I absolutely LOVE the taste of Vick's Vapor Rub (aka menthol) and at 36 mg I haven't needed a cigarette since. Oh, a couple of weeks ago I tried cutting the nic to 18 mg and haven't looked back.

Maybe it isn't the equipment? Maybe you just need to find that one flavor that you can't wait to taste...
 

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I'll admit that the thing that kept me with vaping and away from analogs was the immediate and profound health benefits. After 3 days, my chronic bronchitis (a euphemism for non-stop coughing) cleared up and has not returned. And the gadgetry aspect is appealing to me as well ...

There are moments when a weak vape reminds me of "light" cigarettes, or those perforated ones that let a lot of air into the mixture. I still slip into a "cigarette drag" occasionally, instead of a proper e-cig vape, not very satisfying ...

It occurs to me that the success rate for vaping is probably higher among long-time heavy smokers, just the opposite of what I would have assumed before making the switch. Twenty years ago I might have found the choice more difficult ...

Looking forward to improvements in battery technology in the future that will provide lighter, more compact PVs with sufficient power and durability ...
 

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bottom feeder vmods got me off stinkies.
I now use a reo with a 1.7ohm shorty carto. They soak up the juice real nicely from a BF, and there isn't a whole lot of batting to get in the way and clog up.

I will send you one to try if you PM me. :)

I kinda prefer them over cisco spec and 306 atties now, they are less "airy" draw for me.


I also have lots of arthritis in my hands so building coils and RBAs are off the table for me permanently.

I'm kinda with sam12 on this.....I can't say that I LOVE vaping. I'm one of those who is lowering my nic little by little, as I want to get off vaping too, as I find it's still not the ultimate freedom I want.

I vape because I wn't smoke stinkies anymore, plain adn simple. Some days I like it a lot. Some days I really do not. I'm not head over heels about vaping, it is just harm reduction and way to stay off analogs for me so I DO it. I have too many hobbies already, and a very limited income, so not spending more $$ is attractive to me, and the less time I spend fiddling around with vaping stuff, the better. I know some people enjoy fiddling.....I do not.

Generous offer... May take you up on it, but I'll give it a couple more days... I'm not fond of all the fiddling, either, which is why I'm irritated... I wonder how many other people feel the same way... I assumed most people love it... Guess I was wrong! Curious...
 

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Generous offer... May take you up on it, but I'll give it a couple more days... I'm not fond of all the fiddling, either, which is why I'm irritated... I wonder how many other people feel the same way... I assumed most people love it... Guess I was wrong! Curious...

Oh fiddle, dee, dee! Fiddle, dee, NO! Currently, I'm alternating dripping into an atty on a tube mod (which I don't consider fiddling since it's second nature to me), have a dripping atty on a BF, have one of those shorty cartos on another BF and a Protank on a tube mod. I don't like the Protank very much, but it's easy to use and I don't feel like putting a carto tank together, since I don't like any juices very much today.
 

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idk what you know about vaping but here are some tips i have picked up here.

i use clearos on my vamo v3 at the moment i.e. protank, vivi nova, iclear 30 and they have had great vapor and flavor.

i like to give a couple of unpowered puffs after every couple of hits I take, seems to get rid of dry hits on some of the top coil tanks.

if i chain vape, i tend to get vape mouth, this mutes virtually all the flavor of whatever juice i'm using. It takes a couple of swigs of some water or food to get rid of.

i rarely go over 8 watts, i hover around the 6-7.5 watt range on a 2.5ohm protank, since your using 2 ohm cartos, you would probably be good around 6 or 5 watts for your lighter juices.

virtually every vaping product is gonna take some fiddling, this is just the nature of the beast. my protanks were ok, until i recoiled them myself and added 1 3mm wick instead of 2 1mm wicks on top of the coil. The difference is night and day in terms of flavor and vapor production. Plus it's really cheap and pretty easy. I too have very bad arthritis in my hands and it is not too taxing for me, plus i have big fingers, probably from banging them around in my construction days.

once i learned the basics and what I liked, vaping has become rather enjoyable and easy to manage. Hopefully some of this helped, and good luck on your search.
 

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I think allot of people think, when they start their 1st e-cig, that will be the end to analogs.....They're sadly mistaken

U have to "WANT TO QUIT" for e-cigs to work. Its all a mind thing just like going COLD TURKEY or any other quiting help...

If you think that e-cigs will do all the work for you, then you are wrong. Its all in your head.

I have tried higher Nic with my all day vape and that does not work.
For me, I can't toss them either, I smoke 1-2 per day. Why can't I quit, cause its not in my mind to toss them, YET. Mind over matter, the body still craves the Tar and chemicals.

But e-cigs have helped me allot to cut down.
 
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