Geek Vape Aegis - "Protection" error in Temp Control Mode

[The Herrin]

I am new to temperature control; however, I am an avid reader and try to stay as knowledgeable as possible. I am also a MTL vapor for 6 years now. Recently, I purchase the Aegis for a number of reasons and decided to give TC a try. I have the Innokin Ares (big Phil fan) and put a 0.58 ohm SS316L coil in the tank.

I keep getting a "Protection" error and an inconsistent vape in temperature control mode. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or if it is an issue with the mod. I'm using authentic Q30, HG2 and VTC5 batteries in rotation.

Long time reader, 1st time poster/member.

Please help. Thanks everyone!

 

[The Herrin]

Not sure if the juice matters, but I make my own juice at 50/50 and 4mg.

 

[Hawise]

The "protection" message likely isn't an error (although I can't be certain as I don't have an Aegis). With TC, the mod should fire at the full wattage you set until it reaches the set temperature. Then the screen will show something like "Temperature Protection" as the mod takes control of the wattage and lowers it to whatever setting will keep the coil at the chosen temperature. That's how it's supposed to work, so if that's what's happening it's not a problem.

An inconsistent vape, on the other hand, is a problem. The first things that come to mind are:

• Are you sure your settings are correct - you've picked the stainless steel setting for TC?
• Check that the screw in the 510 connection is tight. In my own experience so far, inconsistent TC has always been due to a loose 510 screw.
  
• If the first two recommendations don't work, try lowering the wattage setting in TC. In theory you should be able to set the wattage as high as you like, but it really depends on how well the mod does TC. Some people (not me) have found that setting it too high makes it throttle once you reach your set temp.

If you're still not getting any joy, could you describe what's happening in more detail?

Good Luck!

 

[The Herrin]

I'm pretty sure that it isn't the 510, as I have no issues in VW mode with the same atty. Also, I did have it set for SS. I got tired of the issue and switched a kanthal coil in there. I will build another SS coil and use these suggestions tonight. I'll get back with you and provide more detail if necessary. I greatly appreciate the response and look forward to getting back with you.

 

[stols001]

Inconsistent wicking could lead to the coil heating up and etc. leading to an inconsistent vape experience. It could be that as well, so you might want to test your SS build in wattage mode first (at around the wattage you'd be using for ramp-up TC) although it probably still won't be as specific as TC.

Are you using a contact coil or a spaced coil? Spaced coils seem to get the best results in TC for some reason that I assume is related to not getting hot spots in the coil, but it might be an overall smoother wicking experience, too.

Anna

 

[The Herrin]

Appreciate the response Anna. I did use the last SS build in VW as well and it worked fine, just didn't like it as much as kanthal, hence why I switched it out. I've been building spaced micro coils in the Ares, 7 wraps or so at 3mm, 26g SS316L. As for wicking, I've been using Cotton Bacon V2, making sure not to put too much or too little in the coil. When I make a new build tonight I will take some photos as well, so you guys all see what I'm doing and possibly what may be wrong.

Thanks again for the feedback everyone!

The Herrin

 

[The Herrin]

Ok. New coil built and all set up. Hitting beautifully in VW mode. Tasting fantastic! Pics to follow, then on to TC.

 

[Beamslider]

The Protection message is normal. It is hitting the temperature and cutting power. Can you set wattage independently in TC on that mod. If so lower the Wattage

 

[The Herrin]

Pics of build and VW mode.

 

[The Herrin]

The Protection message is normal. It is hitting the temperature and cutting power. Can you set wattage independently in TC on that mod. If so lower the Wattage

Yes, I can manage the wattage applied independently.

 

[The Herrin]

I can edit the whole screen. At 30W now. Saying protection and doesn't seem to hit temp.

 

[The Herrin]

I can lock the coil's ohms in - not sure if I should do that. Also, not sure what TCR at 091 is referring to.

 

[The Herrin]

Dropping the watts down to 25 really seems to be helping. Much more consistent TC vape at the moment.

It confuses me a bit though. Why wouldn't the device just use the wattage needed to control a steady temperature to the coil? And I would think limiting that wattage would result in a different outcome. Much more to learn about TC.

Thanks everyone!

 

[classwife]

...moved you to Temperature Control

 

[Beamslider]

I can lock the coil's ohms in - not sure if I should do that. Also, not sure what TCR at 091 is referring to.

TCR is Temperature Coefficient of Resistance

Wire wizard says that the TCR of SS is 879 x 10^6. That would be 088 TCR. So you might try changing it or leave it at 091 if it is working ok.

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The coil looks fine as it looks to be spaced which works better in TC.

I don't lock the ohm. But you do need to be sure that the original reading is taken while the coil is close to room temp around 70 F.

 

[Beamslider]

Dropping the watts down to 25 really seems to be helping. Much more consistent TC vape at the moment.

It confuses me a bit though. Why wouldn't the device just use the wattage needed to control a steady temperature to the coil? And I would think limiting that wattage would result in a different outcome. Much more to learn about TC.

Thanks everyone!

The device has no way of knowing what the correct voltage would be to apply to obtain that desired temperature. It works by constantly reading the ohms as they change due to heat and estimating the current temperature for the ohm reading based on known range of ohm change for the material due to temperature. It then tries to maintain that set temperature by cutting power and then restarting power. If the power is set lower than required it will never reach that temperature. If it is set too high with some mods it will result in a continual cutting and restarting power in an attempt to maintain the temperature and will result in a lousy vape.

 

[The Herrin]

Thank you so much for working with me and taking the time, it is greatly appreciated!

An odd thing happened. I was TC vaping the last hour and enjoying it (using a HG2); however, just put in a fresh Q30 and it was an anemic TC vape again with those same settings. Going into TCR mode and setting at 879 with 25W its a really great vape. I'm thinking TC on this Geek-Vape mod may need some work. Thanks again.