*GEM: A new RTA by MarkBugs
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That's quite a different thing I'd think production wise. Bmi box mod vs mark bugs gem. And it's not the fact improvements are made. It's the frequency. I'm all For progress but amending s limited design shows a failure to properly produce the limited product. I don't feel a market exists for a titanium gem that was surpassed in function prior to a revision. You're absolutely right though. I was reactionary
I apologize. I should have observed more. I'm reactionary at this point on this manufacturer - just a love hate thing I guess. Lol
That and not sleeping generally makes me
Grumpy. Plus just coupes up. I shouldn't allow those general frustrations to overflow even if I feel the reaction is sound. Sorry guys. Good luck !
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In what regard? I've found them to have very different flavor profiles. Hurricane fits into s pool with the taifun which taste totally different than the gem with a much larger Evan chamber. Did the 1.3 drastically change design or was it a version bump e-Phoenix used to slather it in gold and up the price to $600? I can't say the hurricane (while it works well) is really unique in flavor produced (for my juices) whereas the gem can make a justice taste totally different than anything else.
I would think a LOT more goes into making a mark bugs Gem than goes into making a BMI box mod. Spec box, solder, sell vs. HOURS of tedious machining. But, that's possibly the point you were making.
The BMI is fetching big bucks because you can't get them. People want what they can't have.
I see your point, but you make it sound like they pulled a Pioneer 4u scam. I disagree with that.
They offered a limited run of their Gem as well as responding to some customer feedback. Juice holes, chamber, make a titanium one.....
Now they're making another atty. That's what they should do. The alternative is to stay idle and let the competition pass you up. Mark Bugs is a business. Businesses need to make money, not make sure we can always resell products at full retail or rip people off by flipping their products.
They won't make anymore Ti gems like ours. That means they're keeping us in mind.
If they release a new batch of what we bought for half of what we payed, I'll join you in the clock tower. We can flip a coin to see who gets to be the spotter.
Fair enough. We will have to see how t pans it. You think the market exists for resale. I doubt it. They had a hard time comparatively selling the titanium initially so it was always going to be for most people to keep. And that's fine.
The gem is my favorite atomizer as I've stated a few times. I've owned four total now I have two currently. And a wae. I suppose my anomalous experience with them regarding customer service is something I either accept or don't. For now I'll have to lean to don't.
Does anyone see any issue with trimming the insulator with a razor knife? It's not ideal but it should work. I haven't ever cut into one but I assume it's just a solid piece of plastic or silicon. Should not shred. Problem is if I do this and mess it up then I really have no recourse.
I have to say I prefer removable insulator like the to but wish it was a bit tighter. So I'll do what you suggested.
Why would it fare better for mouth to lung when the gem has always been a mouth to lung tank? I'd think you're a minority with the way you vape - restricted lung hits. No? Most either hit with the lung or mouth to lung. So I'm curious why it would be better. Obviously that's your opinion. I'm just wondering frechnicakmy what they could have changed unless they tweaked air flow. Which is a pretty big deal.Quick shoot: This SS-V2 vapes exactly like the LE-TiBut fares a shade better while MTLing!
And here in lies the issue. 8 weeks after a limited edition were looking at a functionally better gem for less money. Just doesn't feel right.
My guess, someone will always be around to buy a Ti Gem....but I doubt there will ever be a line of people. They're all trying to get a Narda or an m-atty. I prefer how mark bugs does business vs the bs secret handshake groups to keep the m-atty out of Vapers hands. MB produces top notch gear and tries to make it available. So does nar mods, albeit, they're a little less successful.
Bottom line is, the Gem is a killer atty and anyone should be proud to own one. It works as good as it looks. So, you got a good deal. It's not the manufactures responsibility to make sure you can resell it for what you paid. It's their responsibility to give you what you paid for. In that area, I feel they delivered. Resale is a matter of luck and trends...not manufacturing.
I'm sure their next offering will be worth the price to someone too.
Then again, this is all coming from someone who occasionally sells stuff I don't use anymore and somebody else wants. I've never charged close to retail for a mod of atty that I've used. I sold a Narda and a snapdragon 1.5 just yesterday. Both at a loss. Why? Well, because I don't care about current market value on used vape gear. I generally keep what I buy anyway.
On a more positive note. I have to say the wae gem combo in 18499/500 mode is worth considering if you have an older wae and can get the part. It's much nicer for out and about and more than enough battery in a 499/500 for a work day if not full day. Certainly you're refilling the gem before the battery is gone. And I'm using super cheap $3.50 efest batteries rated at like 900 mah or something. The aw 499 batteries hold substantially more juice at three times the price. These were my tester batteries for the format. Since none of us are running super high watt low ohm builds the 500 series batteries are a really nice compromise and he size of the gem and 500 mode wae is really nice to me.
Here's a little size comparison for rise who may not see the advantage. The provari is in 18350 mode.
M class vs
Only one thing really is smaller. The piccoloid. And of course the super midget ego
One - which when paired with clr heads rivals almost any other tank every for flavor imo- the gem is better. But for the money everyone should
Have an ego one and pack of clr coils for easy swaps. Despite it being sold for Lung hitters. It's practically disposible. If you're a flavor jockey spend $25-30 and grab an ego one
And clr coils to replace whatever disposible cartridge tank
You use. Nothing is better
Sorry they're all a bit grimes as I just did rebuilds and refills and had juicy hands.
Here's a little size comparison for rise who may not see the advantage. The provari is in 18350 mode.
M class vs
Only one thing really is smaller. The piccoloid. And of course the super midget ego
One - which when paired with clr heads rivals almost any other tank every for flavor imo- the gem is better. But for the money everyone should
Have an ego one and pack of clr coils for easy swaps. Despite it being sold for Lung hitters. It's practically disposible. If you're a flavor jockey spend $25-30 and grab an ego one
And clr coils to replace whatever disposible cartridge tank
You use. Nothing is better
Sorry they're all a bit grimes as I just did rebuilds and refills and had juicy hands.
Last I'll add
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I hear you. And respect what you're saying. I also agree with nearly everything. So we're a lot closer and have a lot mor
Win common than not. I'm not in a clock tower over it. If I keep the gems until I stop Vaping then it's money well spent. I've tried just about everything I want to and I keep
Coming back to the gem. My overall thoughts are more that they're just a bit careless with customers (my experience) and they certainly don't seem To be very business savvy. If he goal is to force upgrades from dedicated users it's a bad business model.
Only place where our views part ways is that I just feel the authentic market lives on the back of second hand sales. From new customer exposure to existing customer retention. I respect I'm different than others. Resale value does affect my ability to buy authentics. I personally am
Find wih what I have but I'm at a limit now of buying s brand I feel I won't be able to resell at a fair value. Probably fine unless they release an all new design. Also. It removed the chalice iii from my squonking setup considerations. I was planning on ordering this week.
On the upside it means I can remove the dummy bands from the wae and stainless gem. And really just use it with relative abandon. Since I won't be reselling I don't care if it gets beaten up. So it's probably liberating. If I see a chance to sell the titanium at a reasonable loss I will. And then I may get the cheaper further revised stainless or Jair be happy with the existing stainless wae combo.
Positives too
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To be fair mark offered to machine the stainless to
Match the titanium wicking. That was very good of him - as well as sending out the unobtainable 500 tube. I want to be sure I do show the positive experience I had. On the downside the stainless 510 base has
Literally been three months now since I was told
It would be remedied. A lot seems to
Fall through the cracks. The problem with me is I literally didn't get one gem of four that didn't have a problem. Inconsistency. Etc. and then the issues getting it sorted with customer service. Well just add that to the resale topics and I think you'd understand why j have probably bought all he mb I will. Obviously if some seismic shift occurs I'm not hard nosed enough to say absolutely no way. Just probably not given what's available.
Other conversation not related to resale etx
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Anyway I'm personally going to stop talking about this as I'm clearly repeating myself and I don't want to be "that guy" I'd rather get back to talking about positives and ancillary topics
Like the fact marathon milkshake tastes completely Different in the gem than any other tank
Titanium Difference in vape?
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Or the fact I notice the titanium has way more throat hit than the stainless - I assume the slight increase in deck chamber area (condensation chamber?) may be the culprit there. I have to run a few more builds to make
Sure it's not a coincidence but while the titanium wicks better I'm not sure it vapes better overall. For some reason in finding it a little harsh comparatively. Anyone else ?
Cloud one vs gem?
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Also has anyone else compares the gem to
The cloud one atomizer ? Friend here is raving about the cloud one and he also really enjoys his gem. Problem is it's a secret handshake Facebook bs thing. And expensive
Gus phenomenon vs
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I have found this tank to
Produce arguably better density and super smooth vape. Intense but different flavor. It's an amazing tank once you're Vaping it but man the overall ergonomics are awful from fill to rotating the whole tank to change air to the horrible chimney juice control. It's a pain to use but once it's set it's great. They're relatively inexpensive in the second hand market. If you're a flavor junkie give one a shot if you can and don't mind using needle bottles and decanting juice.
Heron v2 and spheroid v4 vs
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I love gp but for the juice I vape the heron doesn't compare to the gem. The company as I stated be for is amazing but the piece to get for flavor junkies imo is the spheroid. In piccoloid setup (whole base device is less than a stainless gem but get the luc upgrades and 510 stuff) it's absolutely tiny. A good 14500 battery and a 1.2 ohm build gives decent life. It's an amazing companion - probably the other must have right now from a major boutique. They do monthly releases. They're not hard to get. The piccoloid is usually available all the time.
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Oh. And I still can't get the beauty ring off the ti base. Does anyone have any ideas? I tried doing rubber band. Freezer. And gentle taps. It seems absolutely bound. Since receipt I haven't been able to get it off. Maybe it was screwed on too tight or altitude affected it or something ? I'm just lost now. I've been through the tough beauty ring removal wih other gems by this one - nothing works. There must be some trick I'm missing.
I've been trying to get a Cloud One as well. I'm just not willing to try aa hard as they want me to.
There's a newish rta at vapinart. It starts with an 'A'. Supposed to be great and its possible to buy one. $100-120. I forget. Opted for a v2 calix instead. It should be here tomorrow. Kinda excited.
There's a newish rta at vapinart. It starts with an 'A'. Supposed to be great and its possible to buy one. $100-120. I forget. Opted for a v2 calix instead. It should be here tomorrow. Kinda excited.
I have subscribed to this thread for quite some time and have always admired Mark Buggs products.
When I read several months ago that they were clearing out the WAE2s at a vendor in the US, I picked one up.
I currently own several Provari P3s with Kabuki tanks, and vape them in 18350 mode. When the WAE2 arrived, I didn't realize that it would be as long as it is, and that the shorter tube would not be available for purchase.
I haven't spent the big bucks that Hooligan has, so I am certain that the manufacturer is not going to send me a free tube.
Does anyone have any ideas about how else I may be able to get my hands on one?
Otherwise my WAE2 is destined for the vape drawer.
Thanks in advance [emoji3]. I live in Canada btw.
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When I read several months ago that they were clearing out the WAE2s at a vendor in the US, I picked one up.
I currently own several Provari P3s with Kabuki tanks, and vape them in 18350 mode. When the WAE2 arrived, I didn't realize that it would be as long as it is, and that the shorter tube would not be available for purchase.
I haven't spent the big bucks that Hooligan has, so I am certain that the manufacturer is not going to send me a free tube.
Does anyone have any ideas about how else I may be able to get my hands on one?
Otherwise my WAE2 is destined for the vape drawer.
Thanks in advance [emoji3]. I live in Canada btw.
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i think thats the Amon. It is basically a Tengu but with bigger air-flow as far as i can tell...
I must say that I got up at some ridiculous hour of the night to get one of the first GEMs but it remains probably the most disappointing of all the devices I have and the least used. Unusually for me, i wouldnt really miss it at all if i sold it. I cant say that for many of the attys i have in the collection now! Why is this?? It's mostly because of the flakiness in its resistance stability which drives me nuts sometimes. Its behaviour is sometimes perplexing. Fine one moment then, for no apparent reason, gurgling from some mysterious reorgansisation of what was a perfecty fine build, and burnt hits as the resistance jumps by 0.1ohms and the TC goes bananas. I could build it with kanthal and probably will next time around but that isnt the point really. Its a device with great ideas and intentions but, for me, it comes up a little short. The build space is crazy small allowing for a small chamber and the 21mm diameter but its just a bit too cramped. The removable deck is great but then overly complicated by the need to use the firing deck. The reasons for doing it like this are laudable, to give compatibility with the WAEs and with 510 mods but it somehow feels like a compromise. Is it a bad atty? Absolutely not. In many ways it is fantastic but overall, I remain on the fence about it. I guess I like it, but i really dont love it...and that's a shame really
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well I have both but wouldnt know where to start comparing them. I agree with @h00ligan - very different animals.
Okay, you put that out there!
What else are you able to share?
Calling something yet to be introduced as "pioneering!", is a verrrrry strong statement.
Well the new version comes with the tube and it's interoperable. Mark bugs had stated it was available at their site but you're talking $60 US at that point which is ridiculous for the part. Maybe you can work it out with one of the super nice members here who will never really use it.
To be honest though the 650 is a little shorter than the p3 in 500 mode. The provari to me is absolutely huge unless you use it in 350 mode where it's only just the same size as many others in 650 so I'm guessing you're using the p3 in 350 mode? If so maybe you can resolve to the fact you're getting 8-10x the battery life of the p3 in 350 Mode for about an inch more. I get that doesn't make it smaller but at least there's a positive.
Perhaps if you order from Mark bugs directly you can add it. Or contact them as I did and ask when they will be shipping the part to vendors in the USA. Please take note if you buy an atomizer and a wae part. You're more than likely
Going to be paying $20 import tax on top
Of the parts and shipping if you live in the USA. It needs to be under about €190 to avoid that.
I certainly prefer the wae in 500. But I liked it in 650. For me taking the provari in 350
Mode just doesn't give me anywhere near enough battery life. So adding even two more batteries to my pocket would mean carrying the wae in 659
Would take less room overall. I do understand throwing batteries in a briefcase nullifies that. And I do think It's worth getting if possible.
Surely there's a big time mb collector here with a spare 500 tube who will sell it for $40 if it's never used
Guys? Help him out!
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