Genny style tank with full plastic tank?

[steeledragon78]

Hey guys, im getting ready to take the Genesis plunge and i saw a vid for one that had a full cup style tank. i dont remember the name or the video presenter either. the reason im looking for this particular tank is that it would seem to be a little more forgiving for a newb building mesh wicks as it wouldnt short out on the tank side. any help is appreciated, sorry i dont have more info...

 

[KwhyLE]

The RSST

You can buy it at litecigusa.com

 

[rogergendron1]

Yup the rsst full cup and the wick hole is large and insulated

 

[UncleChuck]

The problem area is shorting between the coil and wick, not the wick and other parts of the device.

It's impossible for a wick to short out against a tank unless the coil is ALSO shorting out against the wick. A short is current taking a path we don't want it to, it's supposed to go straight through the coil and back to the negative post. It should never be traveling along the wick in the first place.

That's why wick insulators and keeping the wick off the bottom of the tank makes zero sense. If your wick is shorting out against something, that's proof positive you have a short between your coil and wick. That's a problem that needs to be fixed, not a problem that needs a band-aid solution like wick insulators or plastic bottom tanks.

I'm not trying to steer you away from the RSST, but you shouldn't rely on the plastic tank to avoid shorts, you should rely on getting the coil and wick right.

 

[gwe2000]

Hey guys, im getting ready to take the Genesis plunge and i saw a vid for one that had a full cup style tank. i dont remember the name or the video presenter either. the reason im looking for this particular tank is that it would seem to be a little more forgiving for a newb building mesh wicks as it wouldnt short out on the tank side. any help is appreciated, sorry i dont have more info...

Are you talking about the ac9?

Edit... Nevermind

 

[pizza2me]

The problem area is shorting between the coil and wick, not the wick and other parts of the device.

It's impossible for a wick to short out against a tank unless the coil is ALSO shorting out against the wick. A short is current taking a path we don't want it to, it's supposed to go straight through the coil and back to the negative post. It should never be traveling along the wick in the first place.

That's why wick insulators and keeping the wick off the bottom of the tank makes zero sense. If your wick is shorting out against something, that's proof positive you have a short between your coil and wick. That's a problem that needs to be fixed, not a problem that needs a band-aid solution like wick insulators or plastic bottom tanks.

I'm not trying to steer you away from the RSST, but you shouldn't rely on the plastic tank to avoid shorts, you should rely on getting the coil and wick right.

Great info!!! And it makes sense!!! I'm fairly new to the RBA scene and have only used (and like a LOT!!) an RSST. But, this is great info for newbs and if I try another RBA. Thanks!!!!

 

[pizza2me]

?Originally Posted by UncleChuck ? The problem area is shorting between the coil and wick, not the wick and other parts of the device.It's impossible for a wick to short out against a tank unless the coil is ALSO shorting out against the wick. A short is current taking a path we don't want it to, it's supposed to go straight through the coil and back to the negative post. It should never be traveling along the wick in the first place.That's why wick insulators and keeping the wick off the bottom of the tank makes zero sense. If your wick is shorting out against something, that's proof positive you have a short between your coil and wick. That's a problem that needs to be fixed, not a problem that needs a band-aid solution like wick insulators or plastic bottom tanks.I'm not trying to steer you away from the RSST, but you shouldn't rely on the plastic tank to avoid shorts, you should rely on getting the coil and wick right.

Great info!!! And it makes sense!!! I'm fairly new to the RBA scene and have only used (and like a LOT!!) an RSST. But, this is great info for newbs and if I try another RBA. Thanks!!!!

Ya got me thinking here unc. Would it be better, to have a non insulated wick hole and base? It could bring out hidden tiny "shorts" that we might not see.

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

The problem area is shorting between the coil and wick, not the wick and other parts of the device.

It's impossible for a wick to short out against a tank unless the coil is ALSO shorting out against the wick. A short is current taking a path we don't want it to, it's supposed to go straight through the coil and back to the negative post. It should never be traveling along the wick in the first place.

That's why wick insulators and keeping the wick off the bottom of the tank makes zero sense. If your wick is shorting out against something, that's proof positive you have a short between your coil and wick. That's a problem that needs to be fixed, not a problem that needs a band-aid solution like wick insulators or plastic bottom tanks.

I'm not trying to steer you away from the RSST, but you shouldn't rely on the plastic tank to avoid shorts, you should rely on getting the coil and wick right.

If the wick is insulated (by wick hole insulator and plastic bottom tank), then what path can the current take that is through the wick and still get grounded? There is no place for it to go from the wick.

So, because current travels along path of least resistance, and insulation creates effectively infinite resistance, wouldnt the wick go through the coil and nothing else?

 

[pizza2me]

If the wick is insulated (by wick hole insulator and plastic bottom tank), then what path can the current take that is through the wick and still get grounded? There is no place for it to go from the wick.

So, because current travels along path of least resistance, and insulation creates effectively infinite resistance, wouldnt the wick go through the coil and nothing else?

I think what he is saying is that we do not want any current traveling in wick from a short. So if the wick is properly oxidized, insulation is not needed. I may be missing something though. Still learning.

 

[UncleChuck]

I think what he is saying is that we do not want any current traveling in wick from a short. So if the wick is properly oxidized, insulation is not needed. I may be missing something though. Still learning.

Exactly!

If anyone needs a way to visualize it, think of a large piece of pipe (wick) with a smaller length of pipe wrapped around it (wire coil) with water pumping through that outer pipe. It's a closed system, the water comes in the top of the coiled pipe, and out the bottom.

Now say there is a rusted out hole between the outer and inner pipes so the center pipe starts filling with water and overflowing. You could try to stop the center pipe from overflowing (wick insulators) or simply fix the hole so that the outer pipe never leaks into the inner one in the first place.

I probably made that sound even more complicated, but yes, basically current shouldn't even be entering the wick, if there is current passing through the wick then your coil is shorting out. With a properly built wick/coil you could solder the bottom of the wick to the bottom of the tank and it still won't short out.