Getting Harassed for Vaping...

[stevegmu]

M

Cool. Thanks for actually answering my questions. Do you speak the language?
So my theory is right. It's the new found freedom and the large tourist industry.
I do hope it lasts.

When I worked in TV production one of my tasks was re-broadcasting TV from latin America.
This was in the 90's and I remember being impressed with the fact that in Argentina they were going through our (US)
sixties, sexual and cultural revolution, rock&roll and the whole hippie thing.

Of course this was due to the repression of the Pinochet regime during our 60's-70's.
Thus I saw a similar phenomenon when you described your experience in the Czech Republic.
I note a similarity in the former soviet and China, but of course since things haven't truly changed in those places it's still
has long to develop.

My concern though is, is it truly a good thing?
Don't misunderstand me.
I love freedom, freedom of speech,
and I love Rock & Roll..But I also love responsibility.

We should be able to love who, where, and what ever we want
as long as we do it responsibly.

The Bohemian lifestyle didn't start with emancipation; it was just suppressed during occupation. Czechs I know work to live, rather than live to work. They make enough to pay their bills and have a little left over at the end of the month. Family and friends are more important than working to death to acquire wealth. A walk along the river holding hands and kiss at sunset is more appreciated by a special lady than any store bought gift. Good friends, good beer, the arts and free love are the true tenants of Bohemianism, not fake hippies with dreads smoking the other stuff.
Freedom doesn't equal anarchy or chaos. The police make it known they are watching, with cars with blue lights on at town squares at night and on horseback. Prevention, rather than reaction is practiced. There is virtually no violent street crime. There is order, the streets are clean, there are food and drink standards. What isn't regulated are what adults are allowed to do which doesn't harm others. Restaurants, bars, hotels and shops are free to decide whether or not they allow smoking or vaping.
I speak some Czech and get better with each trip...

 

[HazyShades]

Why would the guy want to help? What I mean is the guy did not see some idiot about to lock their dog or child in a car during the hot Florida summer. That would be someone IMO who needs to be told the danger of what they are about to do. I do not find someone who randomly approaches someone to tell them their opinion about something that is not illegal or harming anyone in that moment helpful.

It is just nosey and instrusive.

I agree on both counts. However, since I've had the experience resulting from telling some fool they're
getting ready to kill their child or pet I've stopped doing it and instead call a cop and stand by until they get there
(which of course could take hours which is why I stand by. I always carry a hammer in my truck)

 

[HazyShades]

Perhaps you are unclear of accepted norms in a society...

I don't think we have norms any more.

 

[HazyShades]

or perhaps you're dragging this off track...



uh huh...

that is all. no need for any more rhetoric. or is that an accepted norm here? in your opinion?

Rhetoric? Sure it is. In the whole scheme of life in the big silly, that's a given.
Bullwinkle isn't just a cartoon anymore.
We have bureaucracy, greed, rhetoric, propaganda, avarice, lies, ETC.
What a wonderful world!

This is why I'm anti-social.
What am I doing here, anyway?
Oh yeah, I'm vaping.

 

[HazyShades]

ROFL.. I do that a lot actually, but usually I catch it -- I was in a hurry this morning trying to cook breakfast and ECF at the same time.

Andria

Aha! Dyslexia strikes again.

 

[HazyShades]

ROFL... my husband has a few times made a rather angry inquiry "what the heck you got in there?" (he didn't say heck of course ) I just look him dead in the eye and say "well, it's NOT tobacco." He backs down right away and says something like "well maybe your coil or something is going bad, it smells burnt or something." And he's often right, not the coil, but the wick is gunked. Actually I'm impressed; apparently the lack of 2nd hand smoke has improved his sense of smell as the lack of 1st hand has improved mine.

Andria

She did say that she liked "That other stuff better" Considering how many flavors I have this only confused me.
So I told her if she didn't like the smell "Just hold your breath 'til we get home"

Poor lady. She deserves a medal for putting up with me...
Heck, I deserve a medal for putting up with me too.

Still, take my wife please..

 

[HazyShades]

I do too, but it's very hard for me to be empathetic to total stupidity -- I've never been that totally stupid in my life, so I have no idea how it feels.

Andria

Well I have been that stupid..so I empathize..for about 30 seconds or so.

 

[HazyShades]

OK.. I can agree about propaganda.. but that still does not address the point of my post. The man who approached the poster in the above story was not a victim. The poster was not a victim.

Pardon my cynicism again but I think both parties are victims

 

[HazyShades]

All that is true, but they also all agreed that gov't has no business in the religion business; they are two entirely distinct spheres, and should always remain so.

Andria

Yes, ,and I agree with that position. I just wanted to make sure it was understood that nobody founded America
because of religious freedom. Religious freedom was an adjunct for to the prevention of tyranny by a church state.

I've heard entirely too much nonsense about the pilgrims and the Mayflower and Thanksgiving.
Btw, though you surely know this others might not.
The first colony founded by the London Company starved because they weren't cut out for the rough life.
The colony was saved when they brought some Poles over to build/hunt and keep the Brits alive.

Indians had little to do with any of this...and I don't like turkey either.

Hazy

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

For the record, some people do cough from vapor. Most people are probably doing it to be rude, but I have a friend who goes into coughing fits if he gets a bit of a vapor cloud over by him.

 

[HazyShades]

Oh, ok.....

True. Not everything, in fact most of what we're taught in school is rubbish
(except math and science and even that is a toss up)

Look, I'm not saying that some puritans didn't come over on the Mayflower in search of religious Freedom but they weren't the reason
the colonies were started or the colonies declared their independence.

Our religious freedom was put in place in order to prevent tyranny of church and state
as in a King's Divine Right to Rule.

That's one of the greatest assets in this country, the ability and encouragement by our founding fathers to question authority.
Unfortunately we as a nation are slowly but surely losing that right, giving it up in order to feel safe.
But who, I wonder will protect us from the people who claim to be protecting us?

 

[HazyShades]

i.e. the same cut they get from regular smokers. Can you imagine the prices of mods, batteries, juice if they end up taxing vaping like they tax tobacco? Ouch. Fortunately, I think there's some time before that happens.

But I have little doubt it will happen.

Yes, Sir. (or Madam) I can certainly imagine how much things will cost and I know it will happen.
Back when I started smoking ciggies they were 35 cents a pack. When I quit a year and a half ago they were over 5 bucks a pack.
Sure, inflation and all that...but since I know that the real retail cost of a pack of smokes is more like one dollar
I know somebody is getting rich of cigarettes and it isn't necessarily the tobacco companies. (who are already rich)

Also, I find it unfortunate that tobacco companies look upon vapor as competition to be eliminated rather than as colleagues in arms against
the powers of oppression who seek to restrict our use or over tax the products we enjoy.

Moreover, I actually doubt it's just the tobacco companies that have decided to be our antagonists.
The first thing an enemy does is try to divide opposing forces into factions that oppose each other.

It will happen.
Pardon my pessimism. I'm actually an optimist but have my feet firmly grounded
(though my head might be in a cloud of vapor... )

 

[USMCotaku]

Yes, Sir. (or Madam) I can certainly imagine how much things will cost and I know it will happen.

Back when I started smoking ciggies they were 35 cents a pack. When I quit a year and a half ago they were over 5 bucks a pack.

Sure, inflation and all that...but since I know that the real retail cost of a pack of smokes is more like one dollar

I know somebody is getting rich of cigarettes and it isn't necessarily the tobacco companies. (who are already rich)



Also, I find it unfortunate that tobacco companies look upon vapor as competition to be eliminated rather than as colleagues in arms against

the powers of oppression who seek to restrict our use or over tax the products we enjoy.



Moreover, I actually doubt it's just the tobacco companies that have decided to be our antagonists.

The first thing an enemy does is try to divide opposing forces into factions that oppose each other.



It will happen.

Pardon my pessimism. I'm actually an optimist but have my feet firmly grounded

(though my head might be in a cloud of vapor... )

Don't forget about Big Pharmaceutical, loosing money on crappy products like nicotine gum, patches and horrible drugs like zyban and chantix

 

[jpargana]

A science question then...Is nicotine ONLY a derivative of tobacco? If it's not then it's not ALWAYS a tobacco product. I sometimes use Dura True which is a tobacco extract, therefore I would a agree that is a tobacco product. But the others?? Is nicotine synthesized from only tobacco?

This is what most people do not understand: the tobacco plant did not "create" nicotine in Nature. It simply evolved in a way to concentrate that nicotine to toxic levels - to act as a natural pesticide against bugs. (The dose makes the poison). In this respect, I believe caffeine is much more "exclusive" to coffe and tea, than nicotine is to tobacco.

That's why we see many other vegetables containing nicotine. That's why we see non-smokers with positive, albeit reduced, cotinine levels. That nicotine will be used to create vitamin D (once called "NICOTINIC acid vitamin", and now known simply as "niacin" - to hide the fact that nicotine can have a "positive" side, after all)

So, noboby shows zero on a cotinine test. There's a low reference level. If an "healthy" non-smoker shows a result which is too low, then he his not as "healthy" as he believes - he's having a poor diet, and should eat more veggies.

"Tobacco products" MUST have tobacco in them. I believe they are not even specifically required to have nicotine - if they have tobacco, nicotine will surelly follow.

Our devices do NOT have tobacco, and may even NOT have nicotine in them. When they do, it is extracted from tobacco - for economic reasons ONLY. There ARE other sources of nicotine in Nature. Deeming our liquids as "tobacco products" makes the same sense as doing the same with a potato. Just because a "new study" found nicotine there

 

[WattWick]

Pretty off-topic... but since it's already been mentioned.

Can anyone explain (in laymans terms) the correlation between nicotine and Vitamine B3? From what I can tell, they are not one and the same. Then again I am not (very) ashamed to say that all this chemistry goes well above my head.

 

[caramel]

Caramel, I just noted you're in Canada. Last time I checked Canada is a British commonwealth or something as such, God Bless the Queen and all that.
Are you an American living in Canada (lots of those) or does Canada have a similar constitution to ours which is also being torn to shreds?

We have a Charter of Rights which is under permanent attack by various factions.

 

[Robino1]

Now I read it but I'd still like a link to the actual legislation. Please don't make me search municode.
Tell me. what are they planning to do for Mardi Gras?
Are they going to temporarily suspend the statute in order to not drive away the thousands of dollars
smokers bring to the French Quarter?

Ou est les bon sens? Je ne comprend pas. Ce est fou!

It will be interesting indeed watching how this plays out during Mardi Gras. Although, considering how much they will be making in fines, I bet they won't lose very much money.

This is what most people do not understand: the tobacco plant did not "create" nicotine in Nature. It simply evolved in a way to concentrate that nicotine to toxic levels - to act as a natural pesticide against bugs. (The dose makes the poison). In this respect, I believe caffeine is much more "exclusive" to coffe and tea, than nicotine is to tobacco.

That's why we see many other vegetables containing nicotine. That's why we see non-smokers with positive, albeit reduced, cotinine levels. That nicotine will be used to create vitamin D (once called "NICOTINIC acid vitamin", and now known simply as "niacin" - to hide the fact that nicotine can have a "positive" side, after all)

So, noboby shows zero on a cotinine test. There's a low reference level. If an "healthy" non-smoker shows a result which is too low, then he his not as "healthy" as he believes - he's having a poor diet, and should eat more veggies.

"Tobacco products" MUST have tobacco in them. I believe they are not even specifically required to have nicotine - if they have tobacco, nicotine will surelly follow.

Our devices do NOT have tobacco, and may even NOT have nicotine in them. When they do, it is extracted from tobacco - for economic reasons ONLY. There ARE other sources of nicotine in Nature. Deeming our liquids as "tobacco products" makes the same sense as doing the same with a potato. Just because a "new study" found nicotine there

Even if nicotine was extracted from other plants, the powers that be would still treat it as a tobacco product because of the INTENT of usage. This is why even if you are using no nic, it is still considered a tobacco product because.... drum roll.... It Looks Like Smoking!

Pretty off-topic... but since it's already been mentioned.

Can anyone explain (in laymans terms) the correlation between nicotine and Vitamine B3? From what I can tell, they are not one and the same. Then again I am not (very) ashamed to say that all this chemistry goes well above my head.

Nicotine vs nicotinic acid (niacin) -- Science & Technology -- Sott.net

 

[Robino1]

Let me add to the nicotine and b3, from what I am understanding. (not a chemist and not sure if I really totally understand it)

Last few lines of the article I linked:

Take the five-atom ring off nicotine by breaking just one bond and replace it with a COOH group and you're there. In biochemical terms, this is known as 'a piece of piss'.

The two molecules are not unrelated. A simple oxidation reaction is all you need to turn nicotine into nicotinic acid. It's not an accident of nomenclature at all.

Much as the Righteous would like to have us believe.

Nicotinic Acid = niacin = vitamin B3
All are based in Nicotine (From my VERY limited understanding)

 

[AndriaD]

She did say that she liked "That other stuff better" Considering how many flavors I have this only confused me.
So I told her if she didn't like the smell "Just hold your breath 'til we get home"

Poor lady. She deserves a medal for putting up with me...
Heck, I deserve a medal for putting up with me too.

Still, take my wife please..

My *feeling* is "just hold your breath" but then, my favorite desk-sign was a retaliation to the "Thank you for not smoking" that everyone used to have on their desks (before indoor smoking was a mortal sin): "thank you for holding your breath while I smoke."

However I usually have [at least] 2 diff mods with 2 diff flavors with me, so when he gave me that business most recently, I just switched to the other I had in my purse. When I got home and checked the one he was complaining about, I found that the wick truly was nearly black, the coil also so gunked it was black and even the legs had black gunk on them... so maybe his objection and my switch not only kept him happy, it kept me from inhaling crap that I probably shouldn't. And really... of all the people in the world, the only one whose opinion I really give a crap about is my husband's. And, because of the gunking problem of that particular juice, I recently advised him that I was going to buy a Magma, and why it would address the problem -- and he was perfectly happy about that.

Andria

PS: they used to THANK us for not smoking... now they DEMAND it. And people are supposed to be happy about that?

 

[skoony]

We may not agree with all the rules or ordinances but we have to live together. So say someone is working at the drive thru and a customer pulls up with the inside of their car filled with smoke or vapor. The drive thru worker shouldnt have to breath smoke or vapor for doing their job because your car is billowing clouds of smoke or vapor. This is the basis of most of these ordinances. Smoking and vaping are going to be treated the same in most public places regardless if we like it or not.

if your car is billowing smoke or vaper its not the drive
through clerk who has a problem. they should worry
more about the exhaust fumes the clerk is exposed to.
regards
mike