Getting Harassed for Vaping...

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Let me add to the nicotine and b3, from what I am understanding. (not a chemist and not sure if I really totally understand it)

Last few lines of the article I linked:



Nicotinic Acid = niacin = vitamin B3
All are based in Nicotine (From my VERY limited understanding)

Interesting though, that whereas nicotine is a vasoconstrictor niacin is a vasodialator
 

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if your car is billowing smoke or vaper its not the drive
through clerk who has a problem. they should worry
more about the exhaust fumes the clerk is exposed to.
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I agree that exhaust fumes are dangerous and a real drag (no pun..)
My backyard is next to an expressway so I know fumes. (again, no pun..)
But they did away with auto inspections in Florida so there are misaligned headlights, smoking exhaust pipes
and bald tires everywhere.
It doesn't really matter that we no longer have inspections because in most cases
all one had to do to pass inspection was to pass the inspector a ten dollar bill.
 

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So you guys are experiencing the same thing we are. What's happening is the creation of a one world government.
The constitutions, charters, and national identities all over are being slowly attacked in order to discredit them and create
new guidelines that negate independent sovereignty.

We'll soon have the United States of North America comprising the US, Mexico, and Canada.
We already have the European Union.
Chavez was trying to unite the countries of South America under the socialist banner.
The jihadists are trying to create a world caliphate.
A 1000 Thousand points of light, A new world order....More like a 1000 points of darkness and a new world odor
and it stinks 'cause none of these people want to let me vape in peace.

Wow, I'm ranting. But I'm ranting the truth. Think I'll stop a while and try this watermelon juice..

Hazy :2cool:
This is about how I feel about how far derailed this thread has become.
 

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being second hand vapor is harmless it does not violate anyone's inalienable rights.
you do not have a right not to be annoyed.
the smoking bands although they were considered in the public good turned into
creating a minority to be legally kicked around and treated like scum by the majority.
:2c:
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Sure Mike but I wasn't talking about anybody's inalienable right to not be annoyed,
I was referring, as alluded to by mentioning the "under god" part, to ethical behavior.

Yes, the law doesn't necessarily state that people have a right to not be annoyed,
but civility demands that we observe certain ethical guidelines in order to be able to live with each other.
Moreover, if you as a vaper, crap on the people who would prefer not to have to deal with your vapor, you're creating negative public relations for the rest of us vapers and encouraging people to lobby for laws restricting vaping.

Surely you're familiar with the expression, "Two wrongs don't make a right".
The other guy has as much a right to breath his choice of air as you have a right to inhale vapor.
Whether the vapor is harmless or not is actually irrelevant as is whether we have a right to vape, or smoke wherever.
The point is that as human beings we can choose to cut each other some slack or not.
When we don't we get what we give.
 

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In my experience at least where I live the police are pretty quick to respond in such situations.

You may be in Florida but you're not in Miami, mate. Or are you? If so I'd like to know your home station so I can move into your neighborhood.
Where I'm at the police would rather prosecute for negligence and manslaughter than prevent a needless death.
Their promotions are based on large part on how many arrests/prosecutions they're responsible for.
"To Protect and Serve" holds as much water for them as the Hippocratic Oath holds for MDs
 

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Could you explain why you feel that both parties are victims and what they are victims of? Thanks!

Sure, one is a victim of a misinformed do-gooder and the do-gooder is a victim of misinformation.
Furthermore, both parties are the victims of Big Brother's penchant to be Big Brother.
 

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OOoooh oooooh ooooooh..... I think I got this!!!


The person complaining is the victim because he is subjected to the vapor
Steve is the victim because he was .... accosted? Too strong a word but in a general sense it works..... for doing something that is not illegal.

OMG.... It sounds like stuff that is happening right here in the good old U S of A!

You got it, Toots. And the subjected is victim to misinformation which he in turn uses to victimize the vaper.
Both are victims to the misuse of propaganda to create hysteria so that they'll feel the need to be protected by laws
which aren't really intended to protect but to control and TAX.

If it acts like, looks like, and sounds like...it probably is...
 

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i see it all the time had a friend get fired for vaping outside the store he worked at but it was ok for all the others to go outside and smoke

That is the unfortunate and ridiculous association of vaping with drugs. Many people think that a vaper is like the actors in that famous old propaganda movie,
'Something Madness", you know the one.
 

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Thanks Robino! I also wanted to comment about the link about NOLA's Ban.. Did I read correctly that it included condo's?
If I own a condo no one is going to tell me that I cannot vape in it.

Wanna bet? Check your condo's association by laws. Even in the private property of a house one still has to abide by building and zoning regulations.
In a condominium you usually also have to sign an agreement to abide by the condominium association's rules.
Should your condo association decide that vaping isn't cool..you're out of lick 'cause you'll be breaking your lease.

Now if your condo doesn't have an association you're in luck..but it does.
 
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If I remember the involved parties correctly.... Both guys are a victim of Antz propaganda. The first guy for hearing and believing that rubbish, and the vaper for having to hear the first guy regurgitate that garbage

You got it. I'm sure I don't have to break this news to you because of your background, bro.
But there's a lot of people that haven't paying attention to what's happening in the void...err, world.
We're all being victimized and unfortunately some of us are sacrificed to the big green goblin
in order that the rest of us can continue to be victimized.
Vape on! and watch your back..lest you fall victim to "friendly fire"...
 

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ok now that i stood corrected i would say that, if in New Orleans they're banning vaping in their own homes, they have as much french spirit left as in porridge.

Vive la liberté. There are 32 families with my last name in the USA and most of them live in Louisiana.
This worries me.
 

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Ah! Merci, mon ami. That's what I wanted to read. Thanks for saving me the search through municode.
Wow! page 6 nails us.
Where I'm truly appalled is on page 20, line 266, item 3; Private Clubs.
How they get away with prohibiting smoking/vaping in private clubs is due to
"The organization has been granted an exemption from the payment of
federal income tax as a club under 26 U.S.C. Section 501"

That tells me that if the private club doesn't apply for tax exemption under 26 U.S.C. Section 501
they can probably regain the freedom one would expect from the word "private".

That's got to be fodder for an appeal.

At least Sec. 66-73 cuts private homes and tobacco retailers some slack but still, the whole thing is yet another ridiculous attempt by gub'min
to protect us from ourselves that as far as this writer is concerned is just unacceptable.

Man, I thought Miami-Dade County's anti-smoking ordinance was bad but this..
What were they thinking? Sheesh!

Quelque chose de terrible est arrivé et New Orleans. ce est presque aussi mauvais que Katrina
Je pense que je ne suis pas plus Charlie.

Oh, sorry.

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This is about how I feel about how far derailed this thread has become.

Come on now, we're still discussing harassment toward vaping and vapers.
You're just jealous 'cause my aluminum beany has a propeller and your pointy one doesn't
Do you at least have a crystal in there?
 

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You may be in Florida but you're not in Miami, mate. Or are you? If so I'd like to know your home station so I can move into your neighborhood.
Where I'm at the police would rather prosecute for negligence and manslaughter than prevent a needless death.
Their promotions are based on large part on how many arrests/prosecutions they're responsible for.
"To Protect and Serve" holds as much water for them as the Hippocratic Oath holds for MDs

You mean that part "First, do no harm." :facepalm:

Andria
 

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I saw in a german publication that smoking on your own balcony may be an issue if it offends your neighbors on adjacent apartments

That doesn't surprise me, I'm pretty sure you can be convicted of Thought Crimes in Germany. I may or may not have read that on some conspiracy website though. :D
 
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