*Go-types too expensive, APV's too big -- why the size difference?

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Berylanna

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I don't see why I can't get something reasonable slim with replaceable batteries. I want VV. I don't want to pay $24-$30 every time a battery starts getting a horribly short life. Wuzzup?

My new lavatube got caught on my ViVi Nova so I dumped a bunch of juice into my lap. And it's heavy, and huge.

Where does all the space and weight come from when going from "it's a battery" to "takes a battery" ?
 

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I don't see why I can't get something reasonable slim with replaceable batteries. I want VV. I don't want to pay $24-$30 every time a battery starts getting a horribly short life. Wuzzup?

My new lavatube got caught on my ViVi Nova so I dumped a bunch of juice into my lap. And it's heavy, and huge.

Where does all the space and weight come from when going from "it's a battery" to "takes a battery" ?

its a battery:the case is the battery, usually smaller one inside as well as the electronics so one shot its done when its done
Takes a battery: needs to be stronger so it can be handled, assembled,disassembled and have space for separate electronics, wires, switch etc. as something smaller then AA or AAA isnt usually end user available the case has to fit a battery worth using, would you rather pay 20 bucks for a short term battery thats done when its done or 40 bucks for a pocket full of rechargeable batteries and equipment for the same short per hour life? while changing would mean reusing batteries, a smaller unit would still give sucky short length of use per battery used, and the reason to move up is not so you have more work/fiddling around for the same 3 hours of vaping.
 

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Where does all the space and weight come from when going from "it's a battery" to "takes a battery" ?

In simple basic terms, the major difference between those is disposable vs non-disposable.


Disposables:
The eGo fits into the disposable category. The battery itself is the device. Not especially designed or built for durability. This battery is only rated for some 250 charges. Once the battery stops taking a charge, consider it dead and a throw-away. It's benefits are it is light, portable, and inexpensive initially. You need an entire additional device to use while the other is charging.

Juice carrying options are limited by overall size and extremely slim form factor.

Non-disposables:
The non-disposable are the tube and box mods, although the tube mods are what we will discuss here. These are essentially heavily constructed, durable battery holders that contain a power switch to fire the replaceable, rechargeable batteries. These mods are built to last for years, not merely a few months. Built of aluminum or stainless steel, they can take a fair amount of heavy abuse and continue functioning.

The batteries used in these can offer a usable time from several hours for the smaller mods up to 1-2 days with the bigger mods. Instead of needing another device when a battery is spent like an eGo, one only needs to replace the mod's spent battery with a fresh one. These batteries are small enough that a couple can easily be carried in a pocket. Batteries are cheaper - less than $10 each. Longer overall lifetime, too - up to a year.

By being a larger device, they are capable of carrying much larger juice capacities (ie. 2 - 8 ml tanks). This can easily allow a vapor to go a couple of days or longer without a concern of needing to refill with more juice. Mods also allow use of the new juice delivery systems such as RBAs (rebuildable atomizers).
 
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To the OP. I started with the twist and kGo's. It didn't take me long to start going up in the device. I really never had any problems with the weight but I can understand where some would. My Girlfriend won't even try to pick up any of mine. I guess it depends on what you really want from the device. Replace everything or just a battery. I think Baditude explained the difference very well. With the twist I had to carry around a charger and a spare all the time. Now I can leave the house and not worry about carrying anything but my PV.
 

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A question from someone that owns both. How does the provari weight compare to a kicked SB with the sleeve and a 18650 compare?

Have both mods, but not in the configurations you describe.

Regular Provari with extension cap and 18650 battery, no attachments.

Naked Silver Bullet with 18650 battery (w/o sleeve and Kick), no attachments.

I don't have a scale to measure them, but to me the above configurations feel like the Provari is slightly heavier. I had my son compare the two, and he picked the Silver Bullet as heavier.

Considering the two mods in the above configurations are subjectively so close in weight, I'd guess the SB+ Kick+ sleeve would tip the scales as the heavier device.
 
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I used Blu batteries for about a year, and they lasted for crap and were super expensive even though they're "cheap" per battery because I had to replace them so frequently. But they do fit a lot of 510 mods and have an automatic on/off based on air intake. You could try buying a bunch of those.

EDIT: Sorry, this is unhelpful, I misread the OP!
 
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Have both mods, but not in the configurations you describe.

Regular Provari with extension cap and 18650 battery, no attachments.

Naked Silver Bullet with 18650 battery (w/o sleeve and Kick), no attachments.

I don't have a scale to measure them, but to me the above configurations feel like the Provari is slightly heavier. I had my son compare the two, and he picked the Silver Bullet as heavier.

Considering the two mods in the above configurations are subjectively so close in weight, I'd guess the SB+ Kick+ sleeve would tip the scales as the heavier device.
I don't think so. I just held a Provari in one hand, and a kicked SB, both with AW IMR 18490's in each hands, switched them from hand to hand, etc. and the Provari definitely feels heavier to me. It's definitely close though, but to me it's the Provari. I may be wrong, but they feel very close so it's hard to tell.

I think it's a mental thing since the Silver Bullet is a lot bigger than the Provari, you would think the SB would be heavier but I had to pick the Provari. I hung the two from a pencil and made a sort of "balance scale" and the Provari end was heavier, even after sliding the string holding the middle of the pencil closer to the Provari. Not a very scientific test obviously, but it at least says something.
 
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I don't think so. I just held a Provari in one hand, and a kicked SB, both with AW IMR 18490's in each hands, switched them from hand to hand, etc. and the Provari definitely feels heavier to me. It's definitely close though, but to me it's the Provari. I may be wrong, but they feel very close so it's hard to tell.

I think it's a mental thing since the Silver Bullet is a lot bigger than the Provari, you would think the SB would be heavier but I had to pick the Provari. I hung the two from a pencil and made a sort of "balance scale" and the Provari end was heavier, even after sliding the string holding the middle of the pencil closer to the Provari. Not a very scientific test obviously, but it at least says something.
No argument here. They are very close in weight. Maybe we can leave it at that. :laugh:
 

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1000mah twist with a large vivi nova tank lasts me all day. I own a ProVari but haven't used it that much lately.
But once you drop a twist, even on carpeting, the pieces under the button slide out from under and it's a PITA to use after that. And all the videos on how to fix them say you've got a very high % chance of having to re-solder the wires if you take it apart to superglue it
the pieces where they belong. Else I'd just get one. Or even a 1300mah slider.

And although going from volt to X2 to Twist to Kgo VV still always felt comfortable in my hand, the LT does not. Too big, too heavy, too....much.

I'm planning to go into a coop for the L-Rider square. If I like it, I might get round too. I have less problems with things rolling since I use a Blaster tip, tipped to 45 degrees, for my all-day vape, but I'm using m3's for my "doldrums" vape and a rebuildable Stardust for my lower-nic-before-bedtime vape, so I'm hoping the square covers that.

But up to now, even mods that take 14500's still look huge in peoples' hands in review videos. I've got to find more womens' reviews, and see what they look like in a woman's hand.
 

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maybe a vv that takes a single 18350 ... not even real sure if I have seen one of those, as I tend to lurk for 18650 mods...


found one ...

EpicStorm by L-Rider (Version 2.0 LavaTube)

and it's on sale too! :p


I think the "18" is part of the problem as far as width goes, it looks like an 18350 might be as cumbersome as an 18650 but still lack battery life? Even the ones that take 14500 seem bulky, though I suppose that might be the best I can do.
 

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In simple basic terms, the major difference between those is disposable vs non-disposable.


Disposables:
The eGo fits into the disposable category. The battery itself is the device. Not especially designed or built for durability. This battery is only rated for some 250 charges. Once the battery stops taking a charge, consider it dead and a throw-away. It's benefits are it is light, portable, and inexpensive initially. You need an entire additional device to use while the other is charging.

Juice carrying options are limited by overall size and extremely slim form factor.

Non-disposables:
The non-disposable are the tube and box mods, although the tube mods are what we will discuss here. These are essentially heavily constructed, durable battery holders that contain a power switch to fire the replaceable, rechargeable batteries. These mods are built to last for years, not merely a few months. Built of aluminum or stainless steel, they can take a fair amount of heavy abuse and continue functioning.

The batteries used in these can offer a usable time from several hours for the smaller mods up to 1-2 days with the bigger mods. Instead of needing another device when a battery is spent like an eGo, one only needs to replace the mod's spent battery with a fresh one. These batteries are small enough that a couple can easily be carried in a pocket. Batteries are cheaper - less than $10 each. Longer overall lifetime, too - up to a year.

By being a larger device, they are capable of carrying much larger juice capacities (ie. 2 - 8 ml tanks). This can easily allow a vapor to go a couple of days or longer without a concern of needing to refill with more juice. Mods also allow use of the new juice delivery systems such as RBAs (rebuildable atomizers).

This explains why the people that love them, love them. I'd be happier with slightly-less-robust (except let's please glue things in place so they don't fall apart like twist buttons) for the lighter weight. And so far, nothing I've found bigger than a mini-Nova vapes well for me while not leaking. I loved my Phiniac until I tasted a clearo. But a Phiniac works fine on an X2, so no need to outweigh it with something, as long as I have a heavy-bottomed vase to stand my PVs in (like a pencil holder.)

Goodwill is my friend.
 
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