Good morning everybody . I'm new and researching ,first mech / build......

[bood]

What resistance are you getting? Specs. Curious.

0.4ohm (2x0.8 ss 316l)

With parallels you should be getting a hotter airier vape. Opposite of what described.

probably me wrong, I misdescribed things, the vape density /thickness is high..air is there when all holes open in the atomizer (overall airier then the just fog) and this works better the flavor..but it still feels like its been overloaded or overthrown ( too hot temperature at the coils? else? dunno)

@bood The lower power, adequate density controlled vape you very well described earlier in your bullet points, I know can be achieved.

wonder if feasable with a mech without having a slow ramp up time..

 

[bood]

both coils fire similarly to my eyes...... at least if any dissimilar, unnoticeably dissimilar at my eyes..the vape is ready after 3-4 secs , and in <1sec if I yet vaped shortly before ..the flavor is ' congested' if anything quite alike the justfog running @4v or little less..bit too dense for my liking If I'd have to describe the sensation , is that too much power is in the vape: Id like less thickness more air AND foremost a more naturally feeling flavor.
That is more alike to the low V's vape result.




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Sometimes i can feel an instant very unpleasant hot drop on my lips, like a point needle , it happens once, usually in the beginning of the vaping (the drip tip is wide..) and not later.
Never happens with the justfog .
And doesnt happen with battery @low charge too.

sorry i cant post videos they would be more helpful

 

[MacTechVpr]

both sides fire similarly to my eyes..or at least if any dissimilar, unnoticeably dissimilar at my eyes..the vape is ready after 3-4 secs , and in <1sec if I yet vaped shortly before ..the flavor is ' congested' if anything quite alike the justfog running @4v or little less..too dense for my liking at least. If I'd have to describe the sensation , is that too much power is in the vape.
Dont ask me what it means exactly .. just a way to describe that Id like less thickness and more air -->a more natural feeling favor. That is more alike to the low V's result.




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Sometimes i can feel an instant hot drop on my lips, like a point needle , it happens once, usually in the beginning of the vaping (the drip tip is wide..) and not later.
Never happens with the justfog .
And doesnt happen with battery @low charge too.

sorry i cant post videos they would be more helpful

Just thinkin' out loud cause I'm beat tonite. But I don't think s.s. is the practical alternative for parallels on a mech. Appreciate the experiment. But think it's down the wrong road. Lot of heat yes. Distributes it too broadly (very low heat flux) as massive in turns and size. With Kanthal 9-10 turns par. 26G will get you neatly inside most common 2-post decks in the vicinity of your target res. To use s.s., you'd need about twice the turns. A massive coil unless you reduce the wire dia. substantially. Again, talkin' parallels.

Here's what s.s. looks like as a tight spaced wind around your target…

26x2 s.s 11/10 3.0mmØ=0.3785Ω
24x2 s.s 12/11 3.0mmØ=0.4281Ω

Might be a better starting point to form a baseline. But I'm no wiz on s.s.

Good luck.

 

[bood]

that's why yesterday I was close on pressing the buy button on a clean design regulated /variable wattage mod ("double barrel" ,squid industries ) but absence of TC kept me thinking a while more;
I have a busy week now to eventually decide if to go kanthal only , or buying a convenient regulated mod

 

[bood]

@MacTechVpr the only thing I can do this week is try to space the coils wraps (n=14) each-other , and see if this changes something . as you've probably saw from pictures they're not spaced at all and the resulting coil is yet quite long .. it looks like space is there to give it a try though , supposely the cotton can wick the same or so even if space get reduced ;
this could get nearly the same ramp up time while keeping the overall build&cotton temperature lower (?)



-or should I unwind and cut out 1 2 or more wraps.. before spacing them.. and reinstalling the coils on the atomizer (and then the cotton ) ?

 

[MacTechVpr]

that's why yesterday I was close on pressing the buy button on a clean design regulated /variable wattage mod ("double barrel" ,squid industries ) but absence of TC kept me thinking a while more;
I have a busy week now to eventually decide if to go kanthal only , or buying a convenient regulated mod

Well no, I wouldn't rec strictly Kanthal. Fact is we wind a lot of stuff. And these alternatives often reveal nuances of flavors and vapor that we like. I encourage the pursuit as this helps define the boundaries. And we make new ones every day. In the process we find treasures. So, no mistake, I've never been an advocate of one solution. Just one undeniable premise — that strain is in everything and balancing it in wind and build aids delivery.

For you tho I'd use strain as an opt to wind both s.s. and Kanthal. There I can be of help. And of course to try and answer any question I can.

Also, if you can get a single straight wire s.s.working to your satisfaction (moderately tight strain to form) this will go a long way having this stable coil to evaluate your results on TC. Highly rec.

Don't often recommend hardware but I gotta give a thumbs up to the soon to be defunct Hohmtech Slice. For the discounted prices on closeouts it's an absolute giveaway. It will TC Kanthal in a manner of speaking. Tension winding does far more to stabilize temp IMO. And before the advocates hammer me here or behind the scenes, any system that incorporates a fudge factor including TCR variability is inherently inaccurate for temp. Don't trust any one lab or individual's results as method and stats can always be skewed. What I trust is real world exercise. That means you. That you reproduced the vape I got, good or bad. That's real to me. And that's what I'm trying to help you get to…having the tools for that impartial evaluation.

Good luck B.

 

[bood]

problem is I can't pass my time sperimenting that much, and somewhat feel the need to have a functional thing too , not very late.. while it's absolutely good to learn by own hands, with a mech mod and given the time needed to experiment build wick and consume every part you need to experience to level up the vape , it could take too much in prospect , also because I'm home in the weekend usually and not so usually during the week


btw.. what do you think about spacing the 2 coils I'm mounting at the moment ? or cutting off 2 wraps before doing it ?

as always : many thanks .....
your help is super and super appreciated.

 

[MacTechVpr]

problem is I can't pass my time sperimenting that much, and somewhat feel the need to have a functional thing too , not very late.. while it's absolutely good to learn by own hands, with a mech mod and given the time needed to experiment build wick and consume every part you need to experience to level up the vape , it could take too much in prospect , also because I'm home in the weekend usually and not so usually during the week


btw.. what do you think about spacing the 2 coils I'm mounting at the moment ? or cutting off 2 wraps before doing it ?

as always : many thanks .....
your help is super and super appreciated.

Just be careful with resistance. If you get them firing right it's going to be hot. Parallels are productive but lay down a lot of pwr. Watch your amps. LOL Let us see it when you do!

You're a young man. You have all the time in the world. I get it that you're grateful to those who've kicked in here. Good on you B. Carve out 15 mins and you'll make a tensioned coil on a screwdriver. A start. Chances are good you'll own the method first time out. Oxidation and training your hands and mind to use strain deliberately when rebuilding…a bit longer. Every device demands its own plan for preserving the precision you built into the wind. Why I buy multiples, for the practice.

These days I'm focusing more on the failed and the foiled. Folks who've walked away back to smoking or just tapered off vaping. Some stuck on clearo's and other ineffective, inadequate or outdated devices. They're fascinated with the output and temp they see when I show them what the gear can do, should do. I get them there directly. At a temp they can handle. They were stuck or left because of a simple thing…uncertainty. The right tools and that's over with.

Good luck B and thx for the nod.

 

[bood]

@MacTechVpr I have both kanthal and ss and have built some coils.. ( 20 ) , but can't do it again now during the week ..

therefore I was asking to you , if trying to get spaced wraps in my current ss coils could be worth or not while I cant do the rest

or better if I 'd cut 2 wraps off and rewick
They are 0.8 (x2 = 0.4 total) at the moment , and cutting 2 wraps would take them to 0.7x
may be worth if spacing them get the coil too close to the atomizer sides

I'm a young man .. true .. .. but not that young really .... I dont expect to meet many mech users @ my age.. but met a good bunch of persons vaping until now ..

have to say most of them tell me they leave or left the ecig in a drawer and got back smoking ..

If you get them firing right it's going to be hot. Parallels are productive but lay down a lot of pwr. Watch your amps

should I expect to get them much hotter then what they are now?
Spaced wraps get and result in hotter builds?
about going from 0.8 to 0.7ohm should I expect a drammatic leverage in amp and temperature ?
if it is so ..its just not what I am after ..this is sure..so I'll save my time with building coils for later this week or the next , amen that

also I've just read some people use spaced instead of tight to reduce spitback, another issue worth removing from my atomizer

These days I'm focusing more on the failed and the foiled. Folks who've walked away back to smoking or just tapered off vaping. Some stuck on clearo's and other ineffective, inadequate or outdated devices. They're fascinated with the output and temp they see when I show them what the gear can do, should do. I get them there directly. At a temp they can handle. They were stuck or left because of a simple thing…uncertainty. The right tools and that's over with.

sounds quite promising

 

[MacTechVpr]

I think you'd be ok @bood. But confused. If you look at my specs for stainless here my read is that you'd need upwards of 22xsingle wind turns to pull ~0.40Ω parallels. So I'm a bit lost. I'd have to look back at your wind. If you can meter it, good stuff. Then try that and use a small needle nose to even up the ll-leads to the coil Ø as neatly as you can. Tweeze the leads with fingertips tightly and try to get them joined when you terminate them. Separation may cause hot legs (leads). These two things will help greatly to even the performance of the coils. If you do this we'll know better if you're too hot. All you describe suggests you're under-performing for parallels.

My own middle ground these days is exactly that 0.40Ω (duals) for most of my VW collection not running comp caps. It's a high holy place. These are devices I chain seriously hard. And that's saying something for a t.m.c. which produces like a 60@45. Mech's from ~.22-.27Ω to achieve similar performance. Most are Kanthal and translate across all devices. So I'll take a .4 TC build and throw it on an 18500 mech for a cooler fruit or tab. The ~.25's go directly to higher pwr/cap regulated when I run with a 60ml bottle in my hand.

Good luck and we'll be back.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Thx for the nod @Letitia. I feel for the folks. I think you know that.

To me there is a love for the craft. Have you ever read…Como agua para chocolate (Like Water for Chocolate)?

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

To me there is a love for the craft. Have you ever read…Como agua para chocolate (Like Water for Chocolate)?

No but I will.

 

[bood]

doublepost

 

[bood]

little update

just had first vapes of today
today battery is down / or needs a charge soon ( tonight )
and tank is empy, still cotton wick in

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I've got quite great vapes

lol

I intend flavor is not heavy and it gives a more natural feeling


@MacTechVpr I don't have the ohm reader at disposal , but I'm quite sure my current coil read 0.8ohm (each coil); I will read again the value saturday and give you the exact number ..

But confused

Absolutely ..

for example I do not understand why general consensus is vent holes need to be top of the mech , while I've been just revealed that mechs are normally designed for having the battery always on positive ( atomizer pin) contact .. let me wonder how gas are eventually supposed to exit vents if battery position blocks them

 

[stols001]

Letita, I think you'd enjoy that book, it's kind of a modern classic

Anna

If you need to read for about 6 weeks straight, go ahead and pick up Infinite Jest. I have read that thing 4 times and would read it again.... Best read on a kindle due to the endnotes (unless you are a purist... I'm not, and I've read it both ways....)

Anna

 

[bood]

I've spaced the coils without cutting off any wraps .

The cotton feels a bit constrained against the sides , but the rdta holes are free , airflow is the same as before; it seems to me that more cotton is in touch underneath/side the coil too so this may even be a plus ..

It is still early to say something has changed for the better as I cleaned the atty , the tank and rewicked the cotton , so all is fresh and this probably plays a +;
early impression is flavor better and vape cooler ; I don't account this to last the same ,as everything is clean and anew
Obviously what I did was not a fine job , coil simmetry is not there at all.. and to rebuild coil simmetry when remodelling is practically impossible (at least not possible without having the original fit wind tool ,it was a screwdriver in my case)
But as much as it is working until the next rebuild then it is good

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@stols001 Anna I've still not added the 10% distilled water in the e-juice ...but I will do it at next refill , and will let you know as soon as I do it.

Tomorrow or later in the week I will write back if spacing stainless steel coils is a deal or not
for my taste at least

 

[bood]

retouched at my best the coils shape and position in order to have a more decent simmetry and get all the wraps similarly spaced

will keep it this way until next sunday

 

[Letitia]

The number of wraps you guys use fascinates me. Completely different from my vape style.

 

[MacTechVpr]

retouched at my best the coils shape and position in order to have a more decent simmetry and get all the wraps similarly spaced
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will keep it this way until next sunday

An improvement over the par. Getting the wind as consistent as possible will improve vapor output as well as flavor, regardless of the wind.

You've gone somewhat cooler because the coil is more coherent…
also you've spread that power over a larger area. No longer as concentrated. So a first lesson, concentrating power requires greater precision. When you do, you can similarly maintain spaced straight-wire temperature performance with that greater output. The result can be actually cooler.

Looking at the pic, I see places where the turns are hazardously close. If they touch or arc the can send temp's sky high there or elsewhere in the wind or all over. Wherever there is high strain (as this is higher resistance). Hard to predict. It's a short.

So the goal as we all seem to learn the hard way is to get that wind pretty. Many will be satisfied with this. I could cite the closetful of reasons not the least of which is battery strain and life for improving symmetry and it's lost on part of the audience. Glad you get it.

It's a skill like playing an instrument to train our muscle memory. But well worth it in the vape we ultimately get. It must be done with a purpose. We can train for the mediocre; or, we can train for the best. Really it's no more or less work. But the result, ahhh…

Good luck.

 

[Ben85]

retouched at my best the coils shape and position in order to have a more decent simmetry and get all the wraps similarly spaced
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will keep it this way until next sunday

That is an awful lot of wire IMO. I rarely go over 7 wraps in my builds.