Just don't put me down as favoring cigarette smoking! If I didn't think e-smoking was much safer, I wouldn't be doing it. And smiling.
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Yeah, detrimental habits like mixing Oxygen and open flames!!!TropicalBob said:
LOL. Not at the same time.
But I did attend the funeral not long ago of a smoking classmate who died of emphysema. Lifelong farmer, however, handling every imaginable chemical for food crops -- and inhaling those chemicals sans mask. So who knows. Anyway, those who visited him said he had a little oxygen tank in tow and couldn't walk 20 feet without running out of breath. He'd sit in his favorite recliner in the living room, twin oxygen tubes leading into his nostrils, and smoke cigarettes.
Now, personally, I don't want to hear even one word about "willpower" or "stupid" or "deserved it" because it speaks as loudly as can be shouted to the addictive power of nicotine, a chemical compared directly with the addictive powers of ...... and ........ If e-smoking helps even 10 percent of smokers to break away from inhaling tobacco smoke, this will prove a great life-extender. And hopefully the quality of our late years will be better than my dying classmate's was.
But I did attend the funeral not long ago of a smoking classmate who died of emphysema. Lifelong farmer, however, handling every imaginable chemical for food crops -- and inhaling those chemicals sans mask. So who knows. Anyway, those who visited him said he had a little oxygen tank in tow and couldn't walk 20 feet without running out of breath. He'd sit in his favorite recliner in the living room, twin oxygen tubes leading into his nostrils, and smoke cigarettes.
Now, personally, I don't want to hear even one word about "willpower" or "stupid" or "deserved it" because it speaks as loudly as can be shouted to the addictive power of nicotine, a chemical compared directly with the addictive powers of ...... and ........ If e-smoking helps even 10 percent of smokers to break away from inhaling tobacco smoke, this will prove a great life-extender. And hopefully the quality of our late years will be better than my dying classmate's was.
Really? Smoking Class? What was the homework like?TropicalBob said:
TropicalBob said:
Bob, to keep smoking at that stage shows tremendous willpower. As in, dammit, I WILL have another ciggie...
I have the answer
Don't breathe the air
Don't drink the water
Don't eat the food
and for the love of Bod don't smoke.
It'll seem like ya live longer...
Don't breathe the air
Don't drink the water
Don't eat the food
and for the love of Bod don't smoke.
It'll seem like ya live longer...
It does remind of a famous Lewis Grizzard comic line where the doctor tells him if he'll quit drinking, quit smoking and quit eating barbecue he'll live a long life. And Grizzard replies, "Why would I want to?"
You want to hear a story?
NYU Medical Center, NYC. Patient had part of his lung removed. Patient had a trachectomy.
A couple of hours post surgery. Enter room patient is climbing over siderails to get to his personal items in the closet. He wanted his cigarettes.
True Story
NYU Medical Center, NYC. Patient had part of his lung removed. Patient had a trachectomy.
A couple of hours post surgery. Enter room patient is climbing over siderails to get to his personal items in the closet. He wanted his cigarettes.
True Story
Many years ago, when I was young and stupid (I'm older now) I took it into my head to clean up my dirty life. No cigarettes, alcohol, sugar, dairy products or red meat.
Lasted 48 hours.
And it was bleak...
Lasted 48 hours.
And it was bleak...
What amazes me, is not the people who can not quit (I am one), but the tobacco industry itself.
While researching nicotine in general I came across stories from 2006 that the nicotine in cigarettes had increased 20% over the past few years.
Tobacco does not suddenly grow more nicotine in its cells. Tobacco has been manipulated by the industry. Yet this is in the face of lawsuits and very many research studies showing the dangers of tobacco. It is outrageous! And a down right dirty game. "lets keep them addicted - lets make it HARDER." Yet most who want to quit have already given 10 or 20 years of their lives to one product. There is no other product I have ever purchased for so long except food and toilet paper. Manipulating the nicotine levels is telling me they wont let me off the junk. I am held hostage, no matter my intentions and effort because as soon as I try to change my life they up the ante. I have some very strong expletives for big tobacco.
While researching nicotine in general I came across stories from 2006 that the nicotine in cigarettes had increased 20% over the past few years.
Tobacco does not suddenly grow more nicotine in its cells. Tobacco has been manipulated by the industry. Yet this is in the face of lawsuits and very many research studies showing the dangers of tobacco. It is outrageous! And a down right dirty game. "lets keep them addicted - lets make it HARDER." Yet most who want to quit have already given 10 or 20 years of their lives to one product. There is no other product I have ever purchased for so long except food and toilet paper. Manipulating the nicotine levels is telling me they wont let me off the junk. I am held hostage, no matter my intentions and effort because as soon as I try to change my life they up the ante. I have some very strong expletives for big tobacco.
You ever wonder how it is that a Kent cigarette (my old brand) can taste the same pack after pack, year after year? What a remarkable thing that tobacco from many different growers in different states can produce leaves that give the same taste with the same measured nicotine content year after year. Ha. That would be impossible. Everything from rainfall amount to soil quality would dictate differing tastes and nicotine content from year to year.
But Big Tobacco made the impossible possible. In the secret papers we learn that harvested tobacco is virtually stripped of everything. It's cured and chopped and pressed into long rolls that takes out the nicotine, among other things. Then it's shredded and puffed up by a patented process so less plant material is now needed to fill a cigarette tube. And in a late step, measured nicotine and flavors and preservative chemicals are added to the bland tobacco. Presto. Same taste, same nic hit, all the time. Good ole' Kent.
No surprise then that Big Tobacco can kick up the addictive substance any time it wants. One reason might be declining cigarette sales, as health warnings are taken in earnest and smokers agonize through withdrawal. Fewer successes would mean more money for Big Tobacco. So let's boost the nicotine and make it even harder to break the addiction.
You're right, Quirky. They aren't our friends, after all. Don't expect them to warm up to e-smoking. But neither will the even bigger enemy, Big Pharmaceutical, with its anticipated $14 billion annual sales of NRT products. That's what I mean when I say our healthier alternative, e-smoking, has few friends. Wouldn't it be nice if even one national health organization would see the benefits of e-smoking and actually say something nice about it? I'm not holding my propylene glycol breath.
But Big Tobacco made the impossible possible. In the secret papers we learn that harvested tobacco is virtually stripped of everything. It's cured and chopped and pressed into long rolls that takes out the nicotine, among other things. Then it's shredded and puffed up by a patented process so less plant material is now needed to fill a cigarette tube. And in a late step, measured nicotine and flavors and preservative chemicals are added to the bland tobacco. Presto. Same taste, same nic hit, all the time. Good ole' Kent.
No surprise then that Big Tobacco can kick up the addictive substance any time it wants. One reason might be declining cigarette sales, as health warnings are taken in earnest and smokers agonize through withdrawal. Fewer successes would mean more money for Big Tobacco. So let's boost the nicotine and make it even harder to break the addiction.
You're right, Quirky. They aren't our friends, after all. Don't expect them to warm up to e-smoking. But neither will the even bigger enemy, Big Pharmaceutical, with its anticipated $14 billion annual sales of NRT products. That's what I mean when I say our healthier alternative, e-smoking, has few friends. Wouldn't it be nice if even one national health organization would see the benefits of e-smoking and actually say something nice about it? I'm not holding my propylene glycol breath.
I apologize for goin off topic from the present conversation here but has anyone thought that the cartridge filler material might be partly to blame for clogging up atomizers? I've noticed a few times when I'm removing a cartridge that it sometimes leaves tiny, tiny strands of filler on the atomizer. These could be working their way in and/or burning/melting onto it. I don't have any solid proof of this, but it could be one possibility!
Trigger. You're right. Read Dr. Loi's comments in the Danger in the Filter thread on Health and Medicine.
trigger said:
Just ran across htis- I have two atomizers that absolutely can not function with a cartridge in htem- Even if I drip the atomizer, the vapor will only last as long as the dripped liquid lasts, then I get burtn flavor- even htough I've got a brand new Cartrridge in. I can however take hte cartridge completely out and drip smoke the pen for about 15 drags or so before needign another 2-3 drops of liquid. I wonder if might not just be healthier to smoke htese devices without any Cartridgesi n them? Several times I've removed a spent cartridge and found that the fibers have practically melted onto the steel wool.
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