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RatInDaHat

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Hey all.

So i have a feeling that the atomizers failing has to do with heating of the solutions. for example, e-cig liquid seems to be much worse for atomizers than ruyan liquid. I think it has to do with solids forming when heating.

Here is my thought. If we could find a solution that would cut(or dissolve) the solids but not destroy the atomizers then maybe we could get these things to last longer.

It has to be something that is either non-toxic when heated, or has to completely dry so we aren't inhaling nasty fumes. any ideas?

Flux-cleaner was a thought as it is supposed to dry with no residue, but i don't know if it will affect the atomizer, or how long it will take to completely dry.

any thoughts?

-Dusty-
 

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Dr. Loi probably knows more about this than anybody. Let's hope he chimes in. In the meantime, I wonder if liquor might not help. There are alcohol inhalers, after all (banned in Florida for any use!). And we use rubbing alcohol to clean the atomizer. I have also used alcohol-based extract as a part of the smoking fluid -- but I don't know what it's doing to the atomizer.

If this could help clean an atomizer, we might do something like 80% PG, 20% alcohol in the flavor of our choice (I'll use Kahlua, thank you, or creme de cacao). Or, for nicotine, 80% tasteless extra high nic e-liquid and 20% Kahlua liquor. A double whammy perhaps?

One other note: E-Cig fluids darken cartridges. Their explanation was that the tobacco extract they use is the cause. Note that Ruyan announced its fluid would not contain tobacco extract after last November. Their cartridges don't darken. Soooo...the e-liquid has particulates suspended in the water/PG fluid. Those particulates darken cartridges. Those particulates might be the reason atomizers clog on E-Cig fluid but not Ruyan fluid.

And could those tobacco extract particulates build up on the walls of our lungs?
 

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i dont trust e-cigs liquid anymore.i reckon its bunged up two of my atomisers-the only two i use it with!knutselpeter reckons it ruins atomisers too.who regulates these people?nobody it seems-they probably make it with stock cubes.time to look for other suppliers(not so easy for usa folks,i know) and buy new atomisers,methinks...hope you find a solution rat.
 

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not eliquids in general,just e-cigs liquid.maybe im wrong,but after looking at the evidence of my own experience,and listening to the opinions of people who are much more experienced and knowledgeable than i am,like knutselpeter-whos a bit of an esmoking guru-i just have come to the conclusion that it isnt the best stuff we can use regarding the longevity of our equipment.however,for some its the only viable option at present for financial and supply reasons.so we are in a bind right now.im sure options will improve in time.
 

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RatInDaHat said:
and it looks like freesmoke doesn't even ship to the US. also, the us distributor of Ruyan wants $5.00 a cart. it's robbery.
-Dusty-
Yes they do Dusty. I emailed them and asked. I have an order in for some eliquid. Hit myself on the head after the conversion factor was calculated!
 

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more than a lot of things. at 1.5ml a day that would last 33 days.

at $3 per pack of smoke(low price i know) the monthly cost is $90.

Now lets say you get a $35 e-cig that manages to last you 2 months. total cost of e-smoking for 2 months is $35 +$154=$189
cost for cigs in the same month =$180

3 Months:
e-cig: $189+$77=$266
smokes:$270

so basically if we can get good liquid and have our devices last more than 2 months, it starts to become cheaper or at least on par.

That assumes a working unit for 3 months. I have yet to last more than 2 weeks, but it might be the liquids fault.

these habits sure do add up.

-Dusty-
 

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Dusty, there's one cost that you're overlooking. You need to add in the healthcare bills you'll be paying after you've been smoking tobacco your whole life. Even if you don't get cancer, there will be a general degradation in health and healing.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no contest. Given the choice between smoking that makes me sick and smoking that doesn't, I'll happily pay more for the smoking that doesn't. I'd rather not pay more, of course, but given the choice between the two? I'd rather not stop smoking, and I'd rather not get sick from smoking, so no contest.
 

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I don't mean to be overly critical, because I agree with your thought, but ..

1. By the wildest estimate ever, half of smokers die of smoking related illnesses (it's actually much lower but anyone who ever smoked is a "smoker" and an early death from anything is chalked up to tobacco use). Go visit some nursing home (my town is called God's Waiting Room). You'll see lots of happy old people puffing away on the patio. Yes, you'll see some with oxygen tanks in tow, as well. But you just never know how any particular individual will be affected by a lifetime of smoking. Check old records of the world's oldest people -- many of them were lifetime smokers. Detrimental personal habits can shorten life, but for the most part one's longevity is a genetic crap shoot.

2. The jury is very much out on whether sucking propylene glycol and tobacco extract particulates into your lungs all day, every day, is without consequence. We all can only HOPE so.

On a personal note: For a family newsletter I produce, I interviewed three cousins last week. All are in their 80s. The oldest is 89 and he smoked three to four packs of cigarettes every day for 50 years, then abruptly gave it up (drank a six-pack a day and a half-pint of whiskey, as well). A second smoked two packs a day for 50 years. He's 86 and very active. Both are in excellent health, with a strikingly younger appearance. No wheezes. No wrinkly skin. Just blessed genes. They won life's genetic crap shoot.
 

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Hey Bob - your are right It is a genetic crap shoot. But one only has to look back couple of generations to see where the chips will fall.
I think the "oldest people" argument is pretty bad. Yes - there are old people who have smoked all their lives and there are plenty of old people who have never touched a cigarette.

In my husbands family both sides seem to be very long lived. But only amongst non-smokers. On both sides of the family most non-smokers die in their 90s and even 100s. The next generation is full of smokers and they are dieing off from heart disease, leukemia, lung cancer and other illnesses in their 60s and 70s. It is a small slice of about 30 people, but it is clear that smoking has shortened the lives of many in this family.

I doubt most of us will be in our 80s and happily smoking away. Those nursing home folk are the unusual ones - we dont see the people that are already in the ground.
 

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Quirky, I was talking about the Guinness record holders as oldest people alive, not old in general. The oldest people on earth -- many were smokers at the time they died. I couldn't find the link quickly to the article to that effect, listing each and their lifestyles, but I read it and relished it. And from my years as a newspaper health editor, one of may all-time favorite stories was about this Brooklyn guy well over 100 who chain smoked, drank coffee with literally half a cup of sugar in it, and consumed entire packages of bacon at one sitting. My kinda guy. Only genetics can explain it.

The point I was trying to make is smoking doesn't DOOM a person to early death. But it's Russian Roullette to smoke. Three of six chambers are filled with bullets and you spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. Not a good way to live.

On other point: Stress and worry takes years off lives too. A positive attitude can add years. Laughter is curative. Smokers have been beaten and beaten with so many negative messages that they now KNOW they're doomed. That attitude can shorten life and makes the life remaining just miserable. Best to not smoke. Next best: Live each day happy and see what tomorrow's medical advances bring.
 
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