Has anyone seen this report from Healthday news
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Although I cannot verify the numbers presented in the article, it is accurate that a high percentage of people with "specific" mental health issues, such as schizophrenia, smoke in order to get nicotine. The nicotine significantly helps their condition. One of my daughters is a licensed MSW Social Worker who works with people with mental health issues.
I would have liked to see the article make some positive conclusions that vaping can provide people with these issues a safer alternative than smoking to obtain nicotine and that draconian regulations as proposed by the FDA will harm them as well as all vapers.
I'm sure that ANTZ's could twist the article into implying that everyone who vapes has mental health issues. (maybe the writer of the article was doing that in a subtle way or maybe not)
I would have liked to see the article make some positive conclusions that vaping can provide people with these issues a safer alternative than smoking to obtain nicotine and that draconian regulations as proposed by the FDA will harm them as well as all vapers.
I'm sure that ANTZ's could twist the article into implying that everyone who vapes has mental health issues. (maybe the writer of the article was doing that in a subtle way or maybe not)
Well of course they could, and that was the whole point of the article.
Wow, just wow, now the general public is going to think that us vapes are all crazy. Unbelievable! Another stigma placed on us. That's just great! Sigh**
There was one point in the article that I do agree with though. That those with mental health conditions be considered when discussing regulation. I suffer from General Anxiety Disorder and I've been self medicating with nicotine in some form for the last 16 years. For me, it's the lesser of evils I have to choose from to keep the panic attacks at bay. When I quit nicotine cold turkey, I'm a non functioning, blubbering mess. Nicotine absolutely aides in keeping me calm and gives me a normal life along with therapy. My other choices for medication are less then desirable. Different forms of antidepresents have some pretty severe side effects for me. The typical ones used for quitting smoking have actually made the panic attacks worse. Xanax stops a panic attack in it's tracks, but it's highly addictive and as dangerous to quit as quitting alcohol is for an alcoholic. It's not something I want to mess with.
I've tried to step down the nicotine with the gum and the patch, but those did nothing for the repetitive ritual that comes with smoking. That repetitive ritual is as valuable to someone like me as the nicotine itself is. Considering my options, vaping is the best way for me to live a normal life. I get that repetitive ritual, I get the nicotine, I don't get the thousands of other chemicals found in cigarettes. Even further, making a hobby of vaping has provided me with another way to temporarily "forget" about the things that can trigger a panic attack. I can live without the hobby, it's merely an added bonus, but I doubt I can live without either vaping or smoking. Not unless I wish to be a zombie, loaded with antidepressants and Xanax, or be unable to function due to panic attacks. I'm not alone in this. This is why many with mental health issues turn to smoking.
I've tried to step down the nicotine with the gum and the patch, but those did nothing for the repetitive ritual that comes with smoking. That repetitive ritual is as valuable to someone like me as the nicotine itself is. Considering my options, vaping is the best way for me to live a normal life. I get that repetitive ritual, I get the nicotine, I don't get the thousands of other chemicals found in cigarettes. Even further, making a hobby of vaping has provided me with another way to temporarily "forget" about the things that can trigger a panic attack. I can live without the hobby, it's merely an added bonus, but I doubt I can live without either vaping or smoking. Not unless I wish to be a zombie, loaded with antidepressants and Xanax, or be unable to function due to panic attacks. I'm not alone in this. This is why many with mental health issues turn to smoking.
Well, if they want to think that I vape therefor I'm crazy, then they should be very careful with messing with my medication!
Be careful with the "crazy" label. People with mental health issues are probably your friends and neighbours. It's just a labelling system. "Crazy" belongs back in the 1920's, imho.
I also have been diagnosed with an "anxiety disorder" here in the UK - in fact, back in 1989. Nicotine definitely helps, which is why I used to smoke (and inhale) vast quantities of pipe tobacco. Nicotine is our friend - it is also a vaso-constrictor, which we should acknowledge and then balance against all the other risk factors. Coffee, Carbohydrates. Vaping simply works - which is why I keep moaning on about it.
I also have been diagnosed with an "anxiety disorder" here in the UK - in fact, back in 1989. Nicotine definitely helps, which is why I used to smoke (and inhale) vast quantities of pipe tobacco. Nicotine is our friend - it is also a vaso-constrictor, which we should acknowledge and then balance against all the other risk factors. Coffee, Carbohydrates. Vaping simply works - which is why I keep moaning on about it.
I'd rather make sure I keep the other vasoconstrictors down then take any of the different medications I've tried daily. I can't get out of bed with most of them. I know those side effects are supposed to diminish over the span of a couple of weeks, but as a mother of two and the main breadwinner of the family, I don't have weeks to take for that. Also, just reading about some of the long term harm caused by many of them is panic inducing itself. So far, in the last 16 year, nicotine has not harmed in any way. My blood pressure, etc, is all fine. Excellent actually. Smoking gave me bronchitis every year, and I'm sure there's been a great deal of damage to my lungs from it, but vaping is at least less harmful then smoking.
Well, yes, nicotine is said to be helpful for "cognitive and emotional disorders". "Disorders" meaning: not functioning like a machine. In times where human beings are expected to function like machines. Minus the maintenance.
Nicotine definitely does something for me. That is why I like to consume it. - And that is precisely why Big P would love to corner the nicotine market.
Self-titrating with nicotine is most certainly preferable to taking drugs by Big P. - especially if it can achieve the same effect, without the side effects of the drugs. And yes, I have also taken very strong drugs by Big P. To keep on functioning - as is expected - after a death in my immediate family threw me completely off balance. For example, I was able to drive a car (well, I had to, I had to work, eh), but I most certainly was not able to park it well No such problems with nicotine.
And I would also urge caution with the word "crazy". Anybody who talks - really talks - in depth with their friends and acquaintances will be amazed what they find.
Nicotine definitely does something for me. That is why I like to consume it. - And that is precisely why Big P would love to corner the nicotine market.
Self-titrating with nicotine is most certainly preferable to taking drugs by Big P. - especially if it can achieve the same effect, without the side effects of the drugs. And yes, I have also taken very strong drugs by Big P. To keep on functioning - as is expected - after a death in my immediate family threw me completely off balance. For example, I was able to drive a car (well, I had to, I had to work, eh), but I most certainly was not able to park it well
No such problems with nicotine. And I would also urge caution with the word "crazy". Anybody who talks - really talks - in depth with their friends and acquaintances will be amazed what they find.
I am thinking that if they are saying we Vapors have mental health issues. That they could call them a medical device and regulate them in that way. That would be bad for us because they could use that to take away some of our other rights.
Studies show that nicotine releases endorphins, and increases dopamine in your brain both contribute to a sense of well being.
So I think thats one reason why ecig users are a happy lot.
And the word "crazy" is out dated and the proper usage is mentally ill. crazy is derogatory!
So I think thats one reason why ecig users are a happy lot.
And the word "crazy" is out dated and the proper usage is mentally ill. crazy is derogatory!
not so fast, please.
1. "emotional and cognitive disorders" are not "mental health issues" (see my posting above)
2. one study does not suffice to classify 20 percent of the population (remember the smokers) as "people with mental health issues"
3. if you classified each and every person who has ever taken medication for / been diagnosed with / experienced symptoms of .. emotional disorders.. as a "mentally ill" person, there would not be many "normal" people left. In my home country, it is estimated that 19% of the population suffer at least one episode of depression during their lifetime (page 18, German language) And that is just ONE kind of emotional disorder.
Yes, yes, the health taliban live in some kind of Shangri La where their ideal person does not smoke, vape, drink, eat sugar, eat fat etc etc. But as this is some kind of silly utopia, the world has to make do with how people really are
Hey, somebody has to work to keep the economy going, right?
Pretty sure this is old news, based on previous thread from May 2014.
Article says:
And as I noted in that other thread from before:
Source = NIMH
The article mentioned in OP goes onto say:
Which seems to be taking pot shot at 'mental health disorders.' Sorry if someone else sees it differently, but very challenging to conclude otherwise given lack of explanation on the terms being used. The article is exploiting mental health disorders as weakness of some sort.
I'm yet to meet a human, or hear of one, that surely does not have a mental health disorder. I've met plenty that mask their disorder fairly well.
@Jman8:
Same time posting, same intention. But you got the figures from the States. Thank you.
Heck, and as to exploiting "mental health disorders" as weaknesses: you know as well as I do that those people will stop at nothing to discredit anything and anybody that is a threat to their paymasters pocketbook.
Actually, if
then those smokers are smarter than the others.
And those junk-science jerks can stick THAT in their (imaginary) pipe and smoke it
Same time posting, same intention. But you got the figures from the States. Thank you.
Heck, and as to exploiting "mental health disorders" as weaknesses: you know as well as I do that those people will stop at nothing to discredit anything and anybody that is a threat to their paymasters pocketbook.
Actually, if
then those smokers are smarter than the others.
And those junk-science jerks can stick THAT in their (imaginary) pipe and smoke it
@Jman8:
Same time posting, same intention. But you got the figures from the States. Thank you.
Heck, and as to exploiting "mental health disorders" as weaknesses: you know as well as I do that those people will stop at nothing to discredit anything and anybody that is a threat to their paymasters pocketbook.
Actually, if
then those smokers are smarter than the others.
And those junk-science jerks can stick THAT in their (imaginary) pipe and smoke it
Oh, come on Anjaffm - why not just say what you think?
Oh, come on Anjaffm - why not just say what you think?
ROFL!
If I express myself any more clearly, then I might get a spanking from the mods
Yeah... mental disorders, right.
Big P has been manufacturing mental health disorders with the same zeal that they have been medicalizing such things as insufficient eyelashes, and cranking out products to remedy that. It's really amazing how many things they can construe is being a medical condition or a mental health disorder anymore, that requires they step in with their treatments each having a long list of side-effects, sometimes including death.
I can see the commercial now:
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Call now for you free trial sample, operators are standing by....
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