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UntamedRose

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Rose, it's almost like you don't comprehend what I'm saying, and I apologize if I'm conveying it incorrectly. People here, or anywhere in the Bible Belt, agree with what you're saying, otherwise they would stick out like a sore thumb. So they have accepted Jesus as their Saviour or they are trying to blend in. They are either a Christian or a pretending one so as not to appear out of place. That's all I was trying to say. The thing with texts, posts, and letters is that you can't hear the inflection of the voice. Things do get read out of context, and yes, I too am in that category. :ohmy:

Ok I did misunderstand what you where saying.
And yes many are forced to keep silent there is massive discrimination in some parts of the country. Folks lose their jobs over not being or being the wrong religion there.
 

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    Did he ask this - "I want to know how God created this world" very simple said no code words.

    That all I posted that all that was needed Einstein said "I want to know how God created this world"

    Or are you saying we should never say Einstein said this.

    No, I am telling you to read the WHOLE thing. Carefully!!!!!!!!!!! You are picking and choosing, instead of seeing the entire context.
     

    Bones

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    The whole Exodus with Moses and Pharaoh is my fav...

    My favorite is Job - God allows Satan to put that man through hell just to win a bet -
    Yea - God made a bet with Satan - Odd that - Why would God even care what Satan thinks? Let alone make a BET with him?
    How did Satan come to be allowed an audience with God in the first place? Wasn't he CAST OUT?

    6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” (why did God not know where Satan was? - Especially that he was somehow in Heaven with him? That's not very omnipotent)

    Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” (that makes a hilarious mental image)

    8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” (that's straight up bragging- sin of pride)

    9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” (Jesus was able to resist Satan's temptations - But God the Father fell for it hook, line, and sinker? God has no self control? Or winning a bet with Satan means more to him than caring about poor Job?)

    12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

    Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

    So then he sends Satan out to totally destroy this man's life just to back up his bragging - Allows Satan to totally manipulate him - God should have KNOWN that Job would remain loyal - God is shown here to be placating SATAN and not giving one thin damn about a man who was "blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil" Yea - That seems fair and loving :rolleyes: -
     
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    mightymen

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    No you can't
    Keep up Bones it cant be debated as he doesnt want to actually look at his own real true source for ...well everything.

    Let me put it this way, I haven't got the right or want to change your mind in a debate, But we can discuss what I believe and all the details, if you bring it up. It might sound the same though it's not because I won't try to disprove what you believe but I'll let Scripture do all the talking for me.

    Your always welcome to challenge my ideas and point of views than I would be able to respond. Knowing that a lot of Scripture would be used and all my answers would be inline with them. I might have to dig deeper in Scripture to support my claims, if that happens I'll let you know.
     
    Let me put it this way, I haven't got the right or want to change your mind in a debate.

    So do you believe that what somebody else believes is without consequences if it doesn't mesh with yours? Or, in other words, God doesn't really care what you believe and Nice Things happen for you regardless in this life and the next.

    If yes, then any argument is meaningless.

    If no, then...well, it's inconsistent with several edicts you're supposed to be following, not to mention sociopathic. And I'm actually being kind with that statement.
     

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    Then why do drunk drivers kill people and walk away without a scratch. Is that just? Why did a 16 year old get drunk and kill 4 people, including a minister, and injure 12 others, then walk away without a scratch, and get away with basically no punishment? Is that fair? Why did I watch 6 teenagers burn to death when I was only 17, because we couldn't get to them in time? Is that benevolence???


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    Mightymen, I'd still love to hear your thoughts on this. Seems like these completely contradict the New Testament.
     

    mightymen

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    No you can't
    This is being present not as debate but bring Scripture up with questions that should be answered and clarified in a non confusing manner.

    This I can reply to if asked.

    My favorite is Job - God allows Satan to put that man through hell just to win a bet -
    Yea - God made a bet with Satan - Odd that - Why would God even care what Satan thinks? Let alone make a BET with him?
    How did Satan come to be allowed an audience with God in the first place? Wasn't he CAST OUT?

    6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” (why did God not know where Satan was? - Especially that he was somehow in Heaven with him? That's not very omnipotent)

    Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” (that makes a hilarious mental image)

    8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” (that's straight up bragging- sin of pride)

    9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” (Jesus was able to resist Satan's temptations - But God the Father fell for it hook, line, and sinker? God has no self control? Or winning a bet with Satan means more to him than caring about poor Job?)

    12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

    Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

    So then he sends Satan out to totally destroy this man's life just to back up his bragging - Allows Satan to totally manipulate him - God should have KNOWN that Job would remain loyal - God is shown here to be placating SATAN and not giving one thin damn about a man who was "blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil" Yea - That seems fair and loving :rolleyes: -
     

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    MorpheusPA:13174510 said:
    The question is, is there any reasonable evidence that a god exists?

    Define "reasonable" in this case. The claim is extraordinary, so the evidence required would also be extraordinary.

    Agreed. I've found none. Its absurd that Christians like to pretend they have some moral high standard when they claim to get those morals from a god who explicitly condones rape, slavery, ethnic genocide, racism, etc for the first half of it's book. I don't see anything morally sound about those teachings. I have a more sound moral compass than the Christian god by far. I've never created a child then built a place to torture it and said I'm going to torture you for eternity if you don't believe in something you have no evidence for, save yourself by believing it and worshipping it relentlessly. It pleases me that there is no evidence any such being exists.
     

    mightymen

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    No you can't
    The question is, is there any reasonable evidence that a god exists?

    God will supply proof to any person, if they want to know Him from the their heart/truthfully, all it takes is asking Him.
    I myself said something like this, if there is a God I want to know you and worship you. For me it took years to understand but now that I look back I see He was always telling me about Himself.
     
    Agreed. I've found none. Its absurd that Christians like to pretend they have some moral high standard when they claim to get those morals from a god who explicitly condones rape, slavery, ethnic genocide, racism, etc for the first half of it's book.

    Additionally, I've heard the claim that they could have no morals without religion.

    If the only thing keeping them under control is their religion--rather than a solid ethical base from which to develop a good social morality--then I don't want these people near my wallet, dogs, garden, or aging parents.

    I don't see anything morally sound about those teachings. I have a more sound moral compass than the Christian god by far. I've never created a child then built a place to torture it and said I'm going to torture you for eternity if you don't believe in something you have no evidence for, save yourself by believing it and worshipping it relentlessly.

    Most people never do realize that I may disbelieve (actually, I'm an agnostic so I simply withhold judgement) for perhaps 80 years, but somehow infinite punishment is appropriate for this supposed "crime."

    Let's evaluate that. Infinite punishment is the correct response to a finite "crime."

    Can you tell me the ethical problem with that statement? (I knew you could!)

    It pleases me that there is no evidence any such being exists.

    Some claim to have evidence, but are usually loathe to present it. When presented, it tends to be anecdotal at best, and usually gathered during a period when the person's mental stability is questionable.

    I class all near-death "experiences" in both categories. One's mind is never more stressed than when one is dying--and yet nobody talks about the incredibly high percentage of people who see nothing.

    For this reason, drug addicts and alcoholics hitting bottom are not valid evidence as well. Both are most definitely neurologically active.
     
    God will supply proof to any person, if they want to know Him from the their heart/truthfully, all it takes is asking Him.
    I myself said something like this, if there is a God I want to know you and worship you. For me it took years to understand but now that I look back I see He was always telling me about Himself.

    So, er, since you're only willing to argue scripture, where does it say that specifically?
     

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    Ok I did misunderstand what you where saying.
    And yes many are forced to keep silent there is massive discrimination in some parts of the country. Folks lose their jobs over not being or being the wrong religion there.

    Trust me, we have people of all religions and nationalities in the south. I know a guy who had a potato chip route in Alabama. He was servicing this one truck stop, owned by people from Yemen, and was approached by one, looking down at him (he was filling up bottom racks so he was in a squatting position) and said, "I could just lop your head off right here." This guy stood up and looked down at this man and said, "Welcome to the south. All southerners have guns. Come on, if you dare." They didn't mess with him much after that. We have muslims, India indians, Germans, English, Choctaws, Oriental, educated people, uneducated people, rednecks, you name it. As far as I know, there has been no discrimination as far as work places, but I can't say 100%. I wouldn't vote for a person who leans toward discrimination. It's not Constitutional.
     

    Bones

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    This is being present not as debate but bring Scripture up with questions that should be answered and clarified in a non confusing manner.

    This I can reply to if asked.

    The questions are all there in red - Respond if you choose - Though it would seem that any explanation of what is on the page would be taken from the stance that it's all metaphor and never really happened - Which usually raises more questions than it answers -

    1) Why was Satan in Heaven?
    2) Why did God not know he was?
    3) Why is God allowing Satan to get under his skin?
    4) Why does God bend to Satan's demands?
    5) Why would God USE such a loyal servant to make a point to SATAN about how great he is?

    IOW - Why does God seem to care so much about what SATAN thinks?
     
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