Has God Used you lately?

[dragginfly]

I choose to believe in God.

I respectfully submit for your consideration that the Bible is what you actually
choose to believe in. Without the Bible, God is undefined.

You may believe there is "a god" without the Bible. But not "God."

The universe is full of mysteries and wonders. It's easy to see why people
can believe there is something more, beyond what we see and touch. The
concept of "a god" is not at all surprising to believe in.

Believing in "God" is another matter. It requires as a prerequisite belief in
the Bible. Some of it or all of it. Without the Bible there is no defined "God"
to believe in.

When asked questions of their faith in God, the "Bible Believing Christian"
responds with scripture. The basis and source of their faith. This alone
demonstrates (or strongly suggests) their belief is in the Bible, and only
by extension, in the God of the Bible.

You choose to believe in God (the God of the Bible) because you choose
to first believe (in) the Bible.

 

[Bones]

I respectfully submit for your consideration that the Bible is what you actually
choose to believe in. Without the Bible, God is undefined.

You may believe there is "a god" without the Bible. But not "God."

The universe is full of mysteries and wonders. It's easy to see why people
can believe there is something more, beyond what we see and touch. The
concept of "a god" is not at all surprising to believe in.

Believing in "God" is another matter. It requires as a prerequisite belief in
the Bible. Some of it or all of it. Without the Bible there is no defined "God"
to believe in.

When asked questions of their faith in God, the "Bible Believing Christian"
responds with scripture. The basis and source of their faith. This alone
demonstrates (or strongly suggests) their belief is in the Bible, and only
by extension, in the God of the Bible.

You choose to believe in God (the God of the Bible) because you choose
to first believe (in) the Bible.

So well stated it deserves a quoting -

 

[dragginfly]

I dont even understand why christian god seems to go at things in the bible in the most ineffectual ways and then fails over and over again. I mean he suposedly sacrifices am innocent man for someone elses "sins"? Whats moral about that? Why is that god good? Could you imagine if that was the same morality we used in real life? We find out someone murdered a family of five and we go torture and kill some innocent guy and say the killer is forgiven? Ridiculous. If he wanted our sins to be forgiven, for whatever reasons which only matter to it, why not just forgive it and be done with it? Why would there need to be a blood sacrifice?

The Bible answers these mysteries by saying they are all mysteries. Who can know the mind of God?

 

[mightymen]

You're still not getting it. What you did was draw conclusions about a man from incomplete and inaccurate information. That is NOT a good thing.

That's you making the assumption that I'm drawing a conclusion about the man, I'm not. Just answer one question only one did he say "'I want to know God's thoughts" that's no different then me quoting you - Surf Monkey said "You're still not getting it"

It is what it is, obviously you don't want to hear it.

 

[TheProphet]

I don't see an associate to the New Testament, what I see is a 16 year who got drunk and some people allowed it to happen who knew better.

Choice have consequence, God gave us free will to make choices, He can't go against Himself and change it.

That doesn't really answer my question. You said "God" is just. Wouldn't a "just" God allow the innocent victims to live? Would a "benevolent" "God" allow 6 innocent kids to burn alive?


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[Altaire Versailles]

It's not an argument we can believe what ever we both choose to. You choose not, I choose to believe in God.
Your telling me to prove God to you and the world, I'm telling you I don't have to.

Wrong. I mean you're right, you can believe whatever you want to convince yourself of but why do that? I dont "choose" to believe or not believe in god, i dont choose to believe things, its a matter of whether or not I have a reason to think that something is true or existent. I dont choose to deny things that are evident.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Exactly. An omnipotent being can change his own rules on non-interference any time he pleases to any extent he pleases. An omniscient god would know when that was required, and an omnibenevolent god would choose to do so when it helps somebody.

The cop-out of god being out of time itself is just that, a cop out. Being able to see all of time would show you all consequences of your action. Omnibenevolence is ruled out if all consequences of your action are not perfectly good--as that would mean that god just intentionally performed an act that resulted in an evil outcome.

"But it's good in the majority" is not omnibenevolence; it's conditional benevolence.

I mean these are ideas that have been debunked a long time ago as unreasoned and self-contradictory concepts. I hate argueing points like this because theyre not new, theyre just new to people like him because they only surround themselves with people who are like minded.

 

[mightymen]

I respectfully submit for your consideration that the Bible is what you actually
choose to believe in. Without the Bible, God is undefined.

You may believe there is "a god" without the Bible. But not "God."

The universe is full of mysteries and wonders. It's easy to see why people
can believe there is something more, beyond what we see and touch. The
concept of "a god" is not at all surprising to believe in.

Believing in "God" is another matter. It requires as a prerequisite belief in
the Bible. Some of it or all of it. Without the Bible there is no defined "God"
to believe in.

When asked questions of their faith in God, the "Bible Believing Christian"
responds with scripture. The basis and source of their faith. This alone
demonstrates (or strongly suggests) their belief is in the Bible, and only
by extension, in the God of the Bible.

You choose to believe in God (the God of the Bible) because you choose
to first believe (in) the Bible.

All I can say about this is, we understand differently and I've experience something you haven't.

Here's reason we use Scripture when asked a questions

Ephesians Chapter 6

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

I believe your aware of this already.

 

[mightymen]

That doesn't really answer my question. You said "God" is just. Wouldn't a "just" God allow the innocent victims to live? Would a "benevolent" "God" allow 6 innocent kids to burn alive?


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Maybe God shouldn't have allow death/sin to enter the world but how would we feed all those people and house them. - oy vey

 

[Altaire Versailles]

The Bible answers these mysteries by saying they are all mysteries. Who can know the mind of God?

I mean even the Noah's ark story, they love that story, and its a celebration of mass extinction for inconsequential things that god supposedly created them with the propensity to do. Nevermind the fact it supposes that even the babies and animals were sinful and deserving of death just for existing. Why is he so vengeful and jealous? I mean for a god he doesnt seem to be able to handle emotions I learned to master fairly quickly growing up. Whats his problem lol

 

[TheProphet]

I'm sorry, where did I say there shouldn't be death? I believe I was questioning why a just, benevolent, fair "God" would allow innocent people to die horribly, while allowing criminals to walk away without a scratch. Nice job trying to dodge the question.


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[Bones]

All I can say about this is, we understand differently and I've experience something you haven't.
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I think you are missing the point entirely -
You do not believe in just ANY GOD - You believe in the God Of Abraham -

That is a God which only exists in the TORAH/BIBLE/QURAN -

To counter the idea that he exists only in those texts - You quote more of those texts -
Why do you not quote other sources about the God you believe in? - Cause there ARE NONE -

Your only evidence is the TORAH/BIBLE/QURAN and something going on in your head that you can not show -
If you had come to know God BEFORE you ever read the Scripture - You might have a point - But you did NOT -
Those ideas were already in your head - And you just sought out ways to confirm what you already had -

That is why your logic is totally circular -

 

[Bones]

Maybe God shouldn't have allow death/sin to enter the world but how would we feed all those people and house them. - oy vey

Yet another thing God can't do? Now he can't feed his children? He has to kill them instead?

Can you imagine if one of us tried that defense?

"Well - I had more kids than I could feed - So, I drowned a few of em. WHAT? Is that wrong?" -

Your LIMITLESS GOD has a hell of lot of limits - No?

 

[hudson_macbeth]

While not a christian, I do not believe it is right to come into a forum group created for christian vapers and bash their beliefs.

A person will choose to believe in whatever they believe is best for them, and if it harms noone, or better, helps that person to be a better person, then who are we to judge them and question their beliefs?

Questioning or railing against someone's personal beliefs because they are not the same as yours (and they aren't harming anyone) is not only rude, but tracking them to their safe haven to do so could be considered harassing.

 

[mightymen]

I'm sorry, where did I say there shouldn't be death? I believe I was questioning why a just, benevolent, fair "God" would allow innocent people to die horribly, while allowing criminals to walk away without a scratch. Nice job trying to dodge the question.

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Your playing the blame game and I'm trying to dodge the question - Yeah right away.
Isaiah Chapter 64

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Philippians Chapter 3

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death

None of us are worth of this gift of life; I'm happy I've been given it.

Blaming God for choices we all make that turn out bad, is a cop out. I still receive the consequence of bad choice I've made many years ago. Choose to cross the street at the wrong time and blaming someone else even God for our bad choice is a cop out.

 

[Bones]

While not a christian, I do not believe it is right to come into a forum group created for christian vapers and bash their beliefs.

A person will choose to believe in whatever they believe is best for them, and if it harms noone, or better, helps that person to be a better person, then who are we to judge them and question their beliefs?

Questioning or railing against someone's personal beliefs because they are not the same as yours (and they aren't harming anyone) is not only rude, but tracking them to their safe haven to do so could be considered harassing.

1) No one is bashing - We are discussing -

2) We did not track anyone - We were invited here by the OP

Being the OP of that thread, just a quick thank you, for posting that link, I do so much enjoy you guys stopping bye and what great comments; I've read everyone of them and smiled .

I was very happy with everyone's answers; I see no disrespect or harm being done. Stop bye frequently; I have more freedom and can speak more openly with a lot more Scripture then I can here.

Here's an idea, if you keep me busy there, I'll be here less.

 

[TheProphet]

So, 6 innocent kids burning to death in a house fire was someone's choice? Seems legit.

 

[hudson_macbeth]

1) No one is bashing - We are discussing -

2) We did not tack anyone - We were invited here by the OP

Ok. My bad. I sincerely apologize. I just dont like seeing peoples beliefs being slammed, and it appeared that way to me. Again, my apologies.

 

[mightymen]

I think you are missing the point entirely -
You do not believe in just ANY GOD - You believe in the God Of Abraham -

That is a God which only exists in the TORAH/BIBLE/QURAN -

To counter the idea that he exists only in those texts - You quote more of those texts -
Why do you not quote other sources about the God you believe in? - Cause there ARE NONE -

Your only evidence is the TORAH/BIBLE/QURAN and something going on in your head that you can not show -
If you had come to know God BEFORE you ever read the Scripture - You might have a point - But you did NOT -
Those ideas were already in your head - And you just sought out ways to confirm what you already had -

That is why your logic is totally circular -

As you well know, I don't follow the QURAN or use it and to the rest of your question read my post # 148

 

[MorpheusPA]

I mean even the Noah's ark story, they love that story, and its a celebration of mass extinction for inconsequential things that god supposedly created them with the propensity to do. Nevermind the fact it supposes that even the babies and animals were sinful and deserving of death just for existing. Why is he so vengeful and jealous? I mean for a god he doesnt seem to be able to handle emotions I learned to master fairly quickly growing up. Whats his problem lol

Oh, it gets worse. God never laid down one single additional rule in Genesis before Noah, so to the believer that would mean that humanity was functioning without a rule book.

There were two rules exactly. 1) Name all the beasts, which we were doing perfectly well, thank you, and 2) Don't eat the stuff on that particular tree--that one, over there. We know what happened with the second rule, but Adam and Eve got away with their lives. However, God apparently shrunk Eve's vaginal cavity to make sure that childbirth hurt and all that. The guy, well, I don't imagine he minded the change, let's just say.

So God nipped over and killed off a ton of people, animals, and plants because....he forgot to tell us what to do and then was ticked off that we didn't do it without being told.

And supposedly this is an omnibenevolent being.