HC strikes again

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I actually don't believe HC has 'banned' nicotine ejuices because of influence from big tobacco. Smoking related illness costs the government (and in turn, HC) an obscene amount of money. A recent empirical article I read a few months back found that the government will spend over $15 for each pack of cigarettes sold on smoking related illnesses and other consequences of smoking (more sickdays, greater likelihood of collecting disability, etc.). Yes, the government taxes the crap out of cigs, but they don't even begin to break even when you consider the burden the average long term smoker will put on the system. Plus, HC has notoriously funded the majority of aggressive anti-smoking initiatives.

I think the real issue for HC is the fact that for a psychotropic substance, nicotine is incredibly toxic. Mg for Mg it is more toxic than arsenic, and a 30ml bottle of ejuice that gets improperly ingested or handled can easily kill a child (or adult for that matter). Also, big tobacco (and other lobbyists) have much greater influence in US policy making, so it would seem unlikely that Big tobacco would have the influence to 'ban' ecigs in Canada but not in the US. Don't get me wrong, I oppose the ban and I am also opposed to HC taxing or regulating the ecig industry should it become 'unbanned' in the future, but I think blaming 'big tobacco' for the ban blurs the real issues.

just my opinion

Opinion respected

I will not openly divulge on the forum the intricacies of the flow of money, but with all due respect your data is inaccurate. HC outside of enforcing laws and regulations, funds nothing. There are 2 major corporations that control the pot: Big Pharma; and Big Tobacco they fund the laws and regulations.

Who owns Visa and MasterCard?

 

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HC's concerns have absolutely nothing to do with safety or with big tobacco.

The only "big tobacco" in Canada is the federal government - who derive an almost sick sum of money daily from tobacco sales here (the feds make more on a pack of tobacco than the company who produces that pack). HC has and continues to sue Canadian tobbacco companies on a number of occasions though - so I don't think there is much love going on there.

As for safety - this is very obviously NOT a concern. Not at all. HC (at the political level) appears to following a directive from the World Health Organization - the same directive that have prevented ecigs from gaining ground in most countries in the world - and caused everything from illegal border seizures, unethical and illegal threats and intimidations to businesses and a lack of any transparent developments in the safety of products. It's not restricted to Canada. The FDA were hauled into court over it in the US (and the FDA lost).

Nicotine safety in eliquid is no different from that of any other product containing nicotine. Nor from any other product where safety can be an issue. Safety measures can be implemented, regulated, overseen. That's what happens with anything else on the market.

No - this is all political.

My money is on influences from BP.

Regardless of the reason - a governmental health body is not put in place to manipulate markets or interfere with freedoms and rights to choose. They are put in place to ensure that dangerous products are restricted through regulation and handled properly and monitored. And when a product is obviously dangerous enough to remove entirely - that it is removed.

Our governmental health body has decided instead to target vitamins, natural health products and ecigs - while dangerous and even deadly pharmaceuticals take their place.

I believe in the political process - I do. I also believe that transparency and ethics need to be reintroduced into that process.

^^What she said^^

In all honesty when we were created, God gave us one mouth and 2 ears. He intended we did twice as much of one over the other. Unfortunately with the INTERWEBS we have 10 fingers, so I guess God's logic is flawed.

 

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How odd. I recall a British study with the opposite conclusion. Because smokers have a shorter life expectancy, they are ultimately less of a drain on the government's coffers. It's all those healthy non-smoking folk living long lives and collecting pensions that has them worried. Lung cancer is a very short story.

That is the propaganda generated by the antis

Let's ban tobacco sales completely and apply the loss of revenue to the rest of the population and antis as a Breathing Fresh Air tax, and see who yells then.

 

[stadiumlove]

How odd. I recall a British study with the opposite conclusion. Because smokers have a shorter life expectancy, they are ultimately less of a drain on the government's coffers. It's all those healthy non-smoking folk living long lives and collecting pensions that has them worried. Lung cancer is a very short story.

I cant find the empirical study I referred to..I think it is saved to my computer at school.

however, this article says the same thing essentially

CBC News In Depth: Smoking

"in Canada, the societal costs attributable to smoking for 1993 were approximately $11 billion, of which $3 billion was spent on direct health care costs such as hospitalization and physician time. The remaining $8 billion was due to lost productivity. In comparison, it is estimated that in 1993/94, revenue from taxes on cigarettes totalled $2.6 billion."

Not saying you're wrong about the British study ...both could be true depending on how the researchers conceptualized their analysis and their measures and what not

 

[Mr.Whitecloud]

Sorry to hear that damn HC with they would get their heads out of the sand and other dark .... entry ways they are killing future CANADIAN business.

 

[Bigwave]

I agree that it sucks, but unfortunately the people working for HC are just doing what they're supposed too. Until the law is changed it will always be the way it is currently.

They'll probably never stop it all though...mail does get through most of the time.

It's too bad they're focusing on the Canadian sellers, but I think that's one of the only places they can make any efforts...other than the odd small mail shipment stoppage.

Vaping will continue in Canada forever and they know it. It's just a matter of time until the government clues in.