This seems to be pretty typical practice. The beauty of it is that we as consumers, have the tools to "self regulate". This store doing something unsanitary and potentially harmful? Don't give them a dime! Refer your friends and other vapers to the better stores in the area! Whenever I hit a vape shop I like, I always point the positive stuff out to the owner or manager. Giving people your money and verbal appreciate for running a good business, keeps good business flowing.
Beware, not all vape stores are created equal.
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This x 100000000 the customer is always right even if now days it doesn't seem that way at times. We hold the ultimate control over them and that's the decision to pull the cash/debit/credit card out of our wallet.
Just DIY or go elsewhere, we really want everything regulated? Cannot we think for ourselves?
I wear gloves when I make my own and measure for accuracy, I expect "professionals" to do the same. My environment is by no means lab levels of clean but at least take minimal measures to keep consumables uncontaminated.
I'm newer than you at vaping, but how do you know you can trust a store? Here in Quebec, the juices are already mixed with nicotine content. I bought my kit and my juices at a store where they say that all their juices are made in California in a lab. could that be true?
There are nearly as many juice makers in California as craft beer breweries. What's the name of the juice?
I tried pureliquid and now i vape ruthless. I tried another store last week and they sale no name juices!
Watching a high schooler squirting liquids from ketchup sized bottles while trying to read the formula at a local startup vape shop certainly didn't give me a warm feeling. The fact that he proudly pointed out to me that as a high school junior he only vapes 0mg wasn't all that reassuring either.
No question in my mind that liquids made in a proper facility are what I want to inhale and buy. If I want home brew, I make it more carefully than most local shops.
No question in my mind that liquids made in a proper facility are what I want to inhale and buy. If I want home brew, I make it more carefully than most local shops.
Stores here sell juice one of three ways.
1. Sold pre bottled in an FDA plant under some list of controlled conditions per there ad.
2. Locally made but pre bottled under unknown conditions.
3. Made while you wait under........
A. in a back room.
B. in front of you
I've vaped them all without a care in the world. Now that I DIY I know how easy it is and no way would I pay someone to do something that simple. I don't take any special precautions. More then likely dog hair in my vape. There is dog hair everywhere. After 35 years of smoking out of a box that clearly stated DEATH TO ALL!!!!! on the side I'm not gonna worry about some dog hair. Prolly some poop on the tobacco also.
1. Sold pre bottled in an FDA plant under some list of controlled conditions per there ad.
2. Locally made but pre bottled under unknown conditions.
3. Made while you wait under........
A. in a back room.
B. in front of you
I've vaped them all without a care in the world. Now that I DIY I know how easy it is and no way would I pay someone to do something that simple. I don't take any special precautions. More then likely dog hair in my vape. There is dog hair everywhere. After 35 years of smoking out of a box that clearly stated DEATH TO ALL!!!!! on the side I'm not gonna worry about some dog hair. Prolly some poop on the tobacco also.
AEMSA can work, if "we" begin buying only from AEMSA members. I personally would much rather see AEMSA standards being held by e-liquid manufacturers as opposed to government regulation.
I go to a shop with in-house juice. They actually took a while to mix it the first time. Now they have a special nic dispenser and they've done it thousands of times. The mixing is very little more than squirting it from a big bottle to a little one. There was one employee that was young and cool looking but his mixes seemed lacking, but he didn't work there long, hummm. The house juice system isn't perfect but I can see advantages over hundreds of little bottles aging away on the shelves. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of it.
Just a thought. Health inspectors give out citations at restaurants every day. You can have all the regulation in the world and somewhere there will still be slime in the ice machine. And exactly what goes on back there in the kitchen?
Regulations don't keep anyone safe. People who choose to abide by regulations keep things safe.
Regulations don't keep anyone safe. People who choose to abide by regulations keep things safe.
I'm the same. I haven't bought a bottle of juice in nearly 4 years. I make all my own. I haven't killed myself, or anyone else, yet. My home mixing area is as clean as where I prepare my meals. I use graduated cylinders and syringes, and measure accurately. Everything is cleaned and put away when finished. The Idea of needing an ISO certified clean room for mixing ejuice is unnecessary overkill.
Sadly a toothbrush in a bathroom has more "dried excrement" on it than anything mixed in front of you. They did a bacteria search in common household dryers, too, and yep, they found more poop particles in the dryer than they did a public restroom.
P.S. If you have a beard, recent studies show that men's beards hold a lot of fecal bacteria, too.
P.S. If you have a beard, recent studies show that men's beards hold a lot of fecal bacteria, too.
I read that the other day. I'm still kinda curious how that happens.
Thank you, I took the leap into DIY about a year ago. Mainly for the cost savings, I mix out in my garage and have never been extremely dust free. I am kinda of a germiphobe myself , but really from what I have read here and on other sites is that most of our ingredients are kind of antimicrobial and by the time the juice enters your mouth its been heated to a high enough temperature to kill what does get in there. And personally, I think I am already guided and regulated in enough areas of my personnel life by gov. I think I will make it through life fine now that I am regulated and kept safe by the gov agencies that we now have looking out for me and mine.
with less training than your typical hamburger flipper or pizza
delivery boy one can mix juice.
if the bottles are 10 ml or more nic base can easily be added
to juice by eye ball.the nic is in a base anyway. the actual nic
content will have a slight margin of error maybe 13 or 11
instead of 12 even but, so what?
what makes people think some kind of contamination will
happen if juice is not made in some kind of hermetically sealed
temperature and air controlled sterile environment.
every thing is in a container of some sort.
PG,VG and alcohol which most flavors are diluted in
are naturally antibiotic and antiviral.
if they are not mixing it with their fingers what is going
to happen? nothing.
i have heard here of past incidents of mistakes by makers
in the past. only one involving nicotine itself. way to much was
added. it was quickly discovered and the maker notified and
the problem was resolved as far as i know.
other than that what could possibly happen except getting
some bad tasting juice.
who would use ingredients that would harm their customers?
how would contaminants get into juice without deliberately
adding them? why is this not happening right now?
are there not laws already that would make any of
these activities illegal?
making juice is simple,easy,cheap and inherently safe.
the nature of the ingredients and manufacturing process
make it so.
1. measure ingredients.
2.put measured ingredients in a container.
3.mix.
now you have e-juice.
enjoy.
regards
mike
delivery boy one can mix juice.
if the bottles are 10 ml or more nic base can easily be added
to juice by eye ball.the nic is in a base anyway. the actual nic
content will have a slight margin of error maybe 13 or 11
instead of 12 even but, so what?
what makes people think some kind of contamination will
happen if juice is not made in some kind of hermetically sealed
temperature and air controlled sterile environment.
every thing is in a container of some sort.
PG,VG and alcohol which most flavors are diluted in
are naturally antibiotic and antiviral.
if they are not mixing it with their fingers what is going
to happen? nothing.
i have heard here of past incidents of mistakes by makers
in the past. only one involving nicotine itself. way to much was
added. it was quickly discovered and the maker notified and
the problem was resolved as far as i know.
other than that what could possibly happen except getting
some bad tasting juice.
who would use ingredients that would harm their customers?
how would contaminants get into juice without deliberately
adding them? why is this not happening right now?
are there not laws already that would make any of
these activities illegal?
making juice is simple,easy,cheap and inherently safe.
the nature of the ingredients and manufacturing process
make it so.
1. measure ingredients.
2.put measured ingredients in a container.
3.mix.
now you have e-juice.
enjoy.
regards
mike
I don't understand. Syringe-big bottle-little bottle. I'd assume the calculations kinda get burned into memory after doing it thousands of times. You know that nicotine base can be pre-mixed, right?
Did he make it look too easy to be "correct"? Didn't put on his lab coat and gloves first to make it look "professional"? How would those things improve the vaping experience? Or is it just that the lack of those things causes some sort of mental duress due to preconceived notions of how it should be done?
Maybe a better idea if the guy had gone into a closet or somewhere out of view to mix it. That I can understand. I want my steak cooked and plated. If it tastes good I'm happy. I don't need to see the whole slaughtering, processing, preparing to be satisfied (though I might actually find that interesting to see once).
If you walk into a store and it's not up to your standards of cleanliness, how many regulations does it take to simply walk out?
Did he make it look too easy to be "correct"? Didn't put on his lab coat and gloves first to make it look "professional"? How would those things improve the vaping experience? Or is it just that the lack of those things causes some sort of mental duress due to preconceived notions of how it should be done?
Maybe a better idea if the guy had gone into a closet or somewhere out of view to mix it. That I can understand. I want my steak cooked and plated. If it tastes good I'm happy. I don't need to see the whole slaughtering, processing, preparing to be satisfied (though I might actually find that interesting to see once).
If you walk into a store and it's not up to your standards of cleanliness, how many regulations does it take to simply walk out?
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Out of the 5 vape shops in my area, I'll only go to 2 of them. The guys actually know their stuff. But even then, their prices are so high compared to what I pay online. I only go unless I need something on the spot, which is rare. Although I got me a nifty drip tip yesterday for my subtank.
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