Heavy smoker needs help - Vaping not working so far

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As a former smoker myself I like a nice strong throat hit to satisfy the craving from ciggs. I use a 3.7 volt battery and a dual coil poly fill cartomizer. The e juice I use has 24 mg of nicotine which takes care of my craving for that. Some companies also make as high as 36 mg for very heavy smokers, so just find a juice that has enough nicotine to combat the craving and get a battery and cardo combo that will give that same throat hit as a regular cigg.
 

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You sound just like me. I am 39 yo and been smoking since I was 15 2+ packs a day. When I decided it was time to quite I first went to my doctor to be put on a antidepressant. It helps with the jitters and anxiety. Another thing to think about is do you really want to quite analogs my advice, and you probly got this advice a hundred times, Is do both and stop worring about it. The stress your under worring about it might make you not want to quite. It is hard.. Like I keep telling people quiting smoking is easy quiting nicotine is a pain. It is easier to go back to old habits then it is to create new ones..
 

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Well Pwitt
Lots of replies
I'm new here and though I was leaving a long reply but I guess I wasn't logged ah well most of the questions were answered for you I'm sure.
But I wanted to state
I smoked analogs for 37 years, 25-30 a day. It took me about a month to drop them, mainly because I couldn't find a steady supply of reliable disposables locally. Once I decided to buy an inexpensive eGo mod on jan 3rd I was done in 3 days with analog cigarettes.
My advice though is instead of buying and trying, go to a local vape shop and try different set ups and taste different juices.
Los Angeles has a few shops around. I just heard of one in Venice, there is one on the westside, one in san gabriel and a new one in highland park you can probably find all of these and more on yelp and google maps.

as for mixing your own, get some time with a good kit and a good juice then let the hobby evolve where it may.

Hope this is some help

don't give up
 

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I agree 100% and never immediately suggest WTA unless all other avenues have been exhausted. My friends that do use WTA use it in very small amounts and only at specific times when they "need" it.
"Correct me if I erred or missed something, I am still a newb after all."
I think you're going about this in a very sane and rational way. Just a story and NOT recommending this but I remember when I began on 36 mg nicotine some stated "it's too high", you're gonna get sick, etc...turned out it was the perfect nic level for me. Vaping is a very personal program BUT there are are pros and cons to that fact...what works for one person may not be best for others. I'm down to 2 mg nicotine and had to adjust my PG/ VG ratio to enhance my TH. Turns out, with the higher PG, I'm experiencing "issues" sooo back to the drawing board.
Wishing the Best for You and the Mrs and thank you very much for the timely updates...I'll guarantee there are other new vapers/ lurkers in a similar situation that are GLUED to this thread..We're all rootin' for you :thumbs:

@Hydro - great post. You're right, I need that extra willpower. Vaping alone won't do it. I never lost my taste for cigs, remember, I am new at this, but I admit, they do taste worse than before.

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Regarding the WTA, I read through a lot of that thread and I'm a bit concerned about the safety of WTA. I mean, I understand all that talk about "combustion" of chemicals in real smoking, but it seems to me that WTA could be just as bad and just as addictive as real smoking. Or maybe even worse. Who knows? Not that I don't appreciate their efforts, but personally, I just hate being the guinea pig for a few back room chemists making a potion. 10 years from now, I don't want to be 6 feet under and have people say, "Yea, he would've been better off if he kept smoking real cigs instead of that untested WTA juice."

I have more faith in standard e-juice, as I've seen quotes like this:



in articles like this one:

Propylene glycol in e cigarettes might keep us healthy, says researchers

So after my last post of me saying I was definitely going to buy WTA, and then subsequently doing some more research on WTA, I decided I'm gonna put the WTA off for a bit and keep trying different e-juices until I find one that works real good for me, and I'll just try to muster up a bit more willpower. And if I still can't do it, then I'll try the WTA as a last resort.

Correct me if I erred or missed something, I am still a newb after all. :tumble:
 
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Pwitte,

First of all, congratulations on making a big move in your life. I of all people and many others know how hard it can be. I live in Southern California is well, I would be happy to help you get set up at 1 of the local vendors here. Please feel free to call or email me, and we can either meet up or chat.

My preferred vendor hands down is vapor revolution in Cerritos. They will answer all your questions and give you great advice. The selection is unreal as well.

Lonnie Justin Bozeman
Justin.bozeman@gmail.com

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Hey Lonnie not sure if you know how to send a Private Message? If you do not all you have to do is click the persons name on the left side of one of their posts and the look down the list on the left and click "Private Message". That way if you want to give somone your email, phone number etc. You can just give it to the person It's intended for. After all, this is the world's largest e-cig site and now they all have access to your email address.

If you know all of this and you meant to do it this way, please disregard this post =)

Welcome to ECF and we are all rooting for each other! That's what's great about this place.

Happy Vaping!
 

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I feel your pain, hang tough! There isn't a parent in the world that hasn't commiserated on some level with you:blink:
 

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Wow, more great advice - thx all. Yesterday was a 2 cig day, today only 1 (but smoked 1/2 this morning and the other 1/2 this eve.)

Since this weekend, I've changed my perspective on this whole thing. I think that maybe I was expecting too much. I mistakingly was looking for the magical cure, similar to my wife who keeps looking for THE diet pill that will make her lose weight. I always tell her, there's no such thing - just exercise and eat right. Yet, she still thinks someday she will take a pill and 40 pounds will magically disappear.

I too, have taken that same misguided approach with quitting smoking. I can't even count the times I have tried to quit in the last 20 or 30 years. I've tried Hypnotism, drugs, the patch, nicotine gum, nicotine inhaler, reduction filters, etc., and now vaping. But each time, I was expecting the "magical" cure, the one thing that would make me never want to pick up a cig again. And for me, just like the magical diet pill, it doesn't exist.

Not to say that vaping isn't great - it is - but I still have to treat it like I'm trying to quit cigarettes, instead of thinking that vaping will magically make me never want to have another one. Like @Hydrophoid said:

All smokers who are trying to quit must remember that the act is hardwired into our brains as a response to certain situations.....It is just a triggered reaction: fill the belly, smoke; have a fight, smoke; have a cup of coffee, smoke; you get the point.

So I made a real effort this weekend to NOT smoke, and to only vape. As a result, my numbers are much better, and it is not as hard to stop smoking the real cigs as compared to those other methods I've tried in the past. The only thing that bothers me is what happened earlier today.......

Yesterday (Saturday), when trying very hard NOT to smoke real cigs, I vaped a lot. I mean, a real lot. I practically didn't breath real air most of the day. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. This morning (Sunday), when I woke up, my lungs hurt. Now if you ever had your lungs hurt before, you know what I'm talking about. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you never had painful lungs before, just try to imagine the feeling you get when you are sick with the flu and you cough over and over and over. After a while, your lungs begin to hurt, right? Now imagine having that pain constantly for 4-5 hours. That's what I had this morning. Determined not to smoke (trying to use my super-duper willpower), I vaped very little this morning, and only smoked 1/2 a real cig. By this evening, my lungs felt a little better, so I have been vaping lots ever since. Now they're starting to hurt again, even as I type this.

So I don't know if the pain in my lungs is from vaping too much, or from my lungs clearing up from not smoking many real cigs. I'm hoping it's the latter. So I put this here in case any of you have gone through a similar "cleaning out" of your lungs, maybe you can tell me how long that lasts, or maybe you'll tell me to cut down on the frequent vaping because that's the cause.

So that's my long winded story for the weekend. I do hope I can continue to cut out cigs as much as possible during this week, with work and all. I definitely think that it's easier on weekends to vape (instead of smoke) compared to weekdays.

Thanks again to all of you for your support! :)
 

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From what I have read the PG in ecigs can cause that, you might want to switch to VG, the worst thing I have heard on VG is something about "heavy lung" but if you have to smoke that much to where your making your lungs hurt like that you should be on a higher nicotine level for sure man. Im using 18mg right now, and its not doing the trick, I am experiencing the pain as well in my lungs, but only when I am very active so its not much of an issue.

Not positive if its the PG that hurts the lungs or if its because your using parts of your lung you havent for so long the muscles around it are getting broken back in. Cause lungs cant hurt themselves, there is no nerves in your lungs, thats the only reason we can smoke analog cigs, because if lungs had nerves they would have hurt bad enough for us to quit cold turkey.

Here is a good thread, and it directs you to even more information.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/151566-post-quiting-lung-pain.html
 
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Wow, more great advice - thx all. Yesterday was a 2 cig day, today only 1 (but smoked 1/2 this morning and the other 1/2 this eve.)

Since this weekend, I've changed my perspective on this whole thing. I think that maybe I was expecting too much. I mistakingly was looking for the magical cure, similar to my wife who keeps looking for THE diet pill that will make her lose weight. I always tell her, there's no such thing - just exercise and eat right. Yet, she still thinks someday she will take a pill and 40 pounds will magically disappear.

I too, have taken that same misguided approach with quitting smoking. I can't even count the times I have tried to quit in the last 20 or 30 years. I've tried Hypnotism, drugs, the patch, nicotine gum, nicotine inhaler, reduction filters, etc., and now vaping. But each time, I was expecting the "magical" cure, the one thing that would make me never want to pick up a cig again. And for me, just like the magical diet pill, it doesn't exist.

Not to say that vaping isn't great - it is - but I still have to treat it like I'm trying to quit cigarettes, instead of thinking that vaping will magically make me never want to have another one. Like @Hydrophoid said:



So I made a real effort this weekend to NOT smoke, and to only vape. As a result, my numbers are much better, and it is not as hard to stop smoking the real cigs as compared to those other methods I've tried in the past. The only thing that bothers me is what happened earlier today.......

Yesterday (Saturday), when trying very hard NOT to smoke real cigs, I vaped a lot. I mean, a real lot. I practically didn't breath real air most of the day. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. This morning (Sunday), when I woke up, my lungs hurt. Now if you ever had your lungs hurt before, you know what I'm talking about. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you never had painful lungs before, just try to imagine the feeling you get when you are sick with the flu and you cough over and over and over. After a while, your lungs begin to hurt, right? Now imagine having that pain constantly for 4-5 hours. That's what I had this morning. Determined not to smoke (trying to use my super-duper willpower), I vaped very little this morning, and only smoked 1/2 a real cig. By this evening, my lungs felt a little better, so I have been vaping lots ever since. Now they're starting to hurt again, even as I type this.

So I don't know if the pain in my lungs is from vaping too much, or from my lungs clearing up from not smoking many real cigs. I'm hoping it's the latter. So I put this here in case any of you have gone through a similar "cleaning out" of your lungs, maybe you can tell me how long that lasts, or maybe you'll tell me to cut down on the frequent vaping because that's the cause.

So that's my long winded story for the weekend. I do hope I can continue to cut out cigs as much as possible during this week, with work and all. I definitely think that it's easier on weekends to vape (instead of smoke) compared to weekdays.

Thanks again to all of you for your support! :)

Thanks for keeping us to date pwitte :) I am going to say this a few times so you will understand how important this is drink more water... drink more water, again drink more water.... this is so under estimated by new vapers... The lung thing, tight chest, aches and pains.... all need to drink more water.. try this first and when you think you have drunk enough have another glass and I will bet you will feel better.

I went through similar at the beginning, I vastly under estimated what I needed to drink as I am a tea drinker, I thought that would be enough....nope. I now drink a least 4 bottles of water a day extra to the fluid I was drinking when I smoked. Please try this, it will also help you to flush out the toxins from smoking a little faster.

Here is a link for you to read other symptoms when you stop smoking tobacco.. you do get flu like symptoms it is not uncommon.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html


All this will pass, give it time.
 

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Yesterday (Saturday), when trying very hard NOT to smoke real cigs, I vaped a lot. I mean, a real lot. I practically didn't breath real air most of the day. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. This morning (Sunday), when I woke up, my lungs hurt. Now if you ever had your lungs hurt before, you know what I'm talking about. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you never had painful lungs before, just try to imagine the feeling you get when you are sick with the flu and you cough over and over and over. After a while, your lungs begin to hurt, right? Now imagine having that pain constantly for 4-5 hours. That's what I had this morning. Determined not to smoke (trying to use my super-duper willpower), I vaped very little this morning, and only smoked 1/2 a real cig. By this evening, my lungs felt a little better, so I have been vaping lots ever since. Now they're starting to hurt again, even as I type this.

So I don't know if the pain in my lungs is from vaping too much, or from my lungs clearing up from not smoking many real cigs. I'm hoping it's the latter. So I put this here in case any of you have gone through a similar "cleaning out" of your lungs, maybe you can tell me how long that lasts, or maybe you'll tell me to cut down on the frequent vaping because that's the cause.

I was interested in the soar lung thing (been experiencing it myself a few times) so I read through one of the links. The takeaway from the right lung hurts: go see a doctor and the OP had a infection of the esophages.

I am in a a similar situation when it comes to work, I was trained to smoke 3 times a day at work, and I vape at those breaks, I find my nic levels are not quite there, but they weren't maintained with cigs anyway (why can't you vape at work? You can sneak a vape in the restroom or cleaning closet without the need for a smoke break:) . I tend to all day vape on weekends and when I am home from work. I do get a "heavy pull" when I breath in every once in a while, and some lung pain (but I suffer from massive GERD so this may be the problem).

I went out dancing this weekend, I was able to puff on my e cig (disposable large cal 18% cig) instead of smoking one real cig, even after shots. That thing was great, didn't have to worry about burning anyone during wild arm flails, walking through the crowd, ect. It basically hung from my mouth all night. When I woke up the next day I coughed up some loose phlegm (disgusting I know, but you all know the type, after a long night of smoking). OK gonna get grosser here: usually after a heavy night of smoking, I feel like I can't get enough force behind a cough to break up the gunk in my lungs. I will deeply inhale, cough, and fail at loosening the crap. In contrast, after heavy vaping, the pile of gunk in the lungs is loose and goes right out. My point being that vaping will still produce phlegm(at least the juice I am vaping), but it seems to me that it is easily removed.

As for lung pain when quitting: I dont remember any pain during the multiple times I was able to quit for a few weeks while I was trying to go cold turkey (at least 20 times in my life), but I can tell you I would never attempt to quit when I had a PT test coming up (PT test: test for armed forces, I was in the Army so we had to do 2 mins push ups/ sit ups/ and a 2 mile run.) The reason is that my lung function was noticeably reduced when trying to quit, and would negatively impact my results. My theory is that all the gunk in the lungs are transported through the network of bronchial tubes and tend to irritate them and clog them up.

I been vaping since the 1st of AUG, smoking off and on but vaping exclusive for about a week or so. I just got to where I can go a whole day without using my asthma inhalator, so I would guess at the very least there will be a lag between the time you cut down to the time you see the true results.
 

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How deeply do you inhale? When you inhale a puff do you take a deep breath or do you take a short one and exhale immediately?

When I was first getting off analogs I did experience some discomfort in my chest. I think it was the combination of the 80/20 PG/VG and I was also deeply inhaling. I've sine switched to 50/50 PG/VG and I don't inhale deeply or hold in the vapor. I just sort of take a short quick inhale and exhale fairly quickly but not forcing it. Almost like taking a couple of tokes on a "J". Puff short inhale, puff short inhale and then exhale rather than holding it. I've now evolved to taking a good puff with a short inhale, then exhaling through my nose while drawing for my net puff to short inhale and exhale without holding it.

I'm no longer experiencing lung pains between short inhales quickish exhales and the drop to 50/50 PG/VG as opposed to 80/20. Hope this helps bud. I'd hate to see some discomfort caused by juice and/or vape style cause you to continue down the path of analogs considering we all know for sure what happens when smokin the stinkies.

You know coming from me this is hypocritical advice but if all else fails go see a doctor lol.

Good luck man and as always...

Happy Vaping!
 

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I'm sorry it didn't work out for you at first . :(
Disposables from a drugstore are cheapy. They actually don't have a lot of nicotine in it , which is the problem in most cases and they are only good for social smokers or those who rarely smoke . Go for quality e-cigarettes . the investment is totally worth it .

Im very biased , but Vaporphoxxe has a lot of flavors made from actual food and no artificial ingredients. You can adjust nicotine levels from 0-35ml and all their flavors are so yummy ! If you want some menthol in it they will add menthol ( if that's what you're into) .

Hope this helps :D

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Careful mate! I'm a heavy smoker too. But just mostly interested in my tobacco and nicotine!
The ego-c batt 1000ma passtgrough is great all day and you can still Vape while it's plugged in. Very good.

Ce5 ego-c style clearomizer, with a 10 pack of replacement wick ought to last quite a long time. My favorite part about these is they seal up real good, hold about a days worth of juice, and if you burn up a wick, you screw another one in. Simple!

I'm sticking to my Camel 18-24 eliquid only in my clearomizer. I use an ego-c type A atomizer head with changeable tank and atty so I can have a set of each for different flavors without mixing them together. So far it seems like once a wick gets a flavor, that flavor wants to stay a while. Wasn't so bad with chocolate cake, but I thought, "I'll try some of that 'Red Bull' flavor. I smoked five tanks of camel through that atty and it STILL tastes like red bull!!! Apparently Red Bull flavor is an acquired taste that I didn't fully acquire. (free red bull 15ml up for grabs). (wick-attys have wicks too).

Save some money and go bulk. Efluid- 1 liter 175. How many packs of smokes is that? Like 700??! Even a 500 ml of your all-day-Vape (that's the one you decide is your main Vape) will last months.

The candy and spicy and ... Face it, just plain strange flavors out there... Try in small doses, don't put it in your main vaping tank. I guess that's why others like a drip tip, for spur of the moment and specifically concentrated special change of flavor mood moments. Or just because they can.

Ego-c type atty and cartridge... Tastes great 100 percent of the time to me, and needs to be taken apart and cleaned and flushed with hit water and put back together every few days and uses a lot of fluid but gives you a big hit... Whew!

Cartos... Clearomizer... Reliable, but keep that wick doused. I don't let mine get too empty. Let that fluid soak in for 30 secs or so before hitting it with any volts. Burnt wick tastes really nasty. My clearomizer has never leaked and moisture is minimal at the tip. You already heard about blowing the carto out if moisture gets on there, makes a bubbling noise. No biggie, blow it out.

I'm afraid of low resistance parts or hot rod batteries. Seen some mods gone wrong in here, and the normal vaping has worked great for me and I'm a (was) two pack a day chain smoker. Now I can't stand the smell of a real smoke. After5 days! Today! Yes I had a few failed attempts myself...

Njoy ---> Nnot! Yuck! There's nicotine in these? Where!
Mistic ----> same
Metro-------same BUT learned how to refil with 24mg--- eh, slightly better...

Hope you find your flavor and your old trusty PV device soon. The right setup= goodbye cigarettes!!!
 
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