Help passing Nic Test!!!

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stevegmu

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Sounds like great idea. Perhaps I can get handicapped plates for my vehicles because I vape...

The reality of the situation, is that cigarette smoking, things which put out a substance which looks like cigarette smoke and nicotine use are not widely accepted or its users sympathized with in the US.
 

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To add... Someone that never smoked a day in their life tested positive for nicotine. They do put it in some foods. That just goes to show it's dependability. Not much different than washing your mouth with mouthwash and failing a breathalizer.
They don't put nicotine in food, it is found naturally in the nightshade family of plants.
And the nicotine tests have a threshold which is used to separate a smoker from a non-smoker.

I bought and used these test kits a number of times, and tested positive every time...
Home Health Testing nicotine test kits

My wife, who does not vape or smoke but LOVES tomatoes, never once tested positive even though I vape around her all the time.
 
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I'm going to suggest something entirely against what many are suggesting in this thread. Tell them you vape. Let them test positive for cotinine, and pay the extra 40 bucks/month.

Sounds absolutely outrageous, eh?

But it is not. So let's say you "pass" the test and pass yourself off as a non-smoker. Now, keep in mind that personally, I am with you - you have quit smoking - but for the insurance company, you are still a smoker, because nicotine. Now, let's fast forward into an unfortunate future where you are diagnosed with something awful, and expensive, and cigarette related. If your deception is found out, the insurance company can pull your coverage and you will be screwed. Your family will be screwed. Everyone will be screwed. The insurance company is NOT your friend. They make money by saying no. Don't give them an easy out.

Is it right that the presence of nicotine damns you as being a smoker? No. But this doesn't mean you should try to cheat a test. Test positive. Fight for the fact you are not smoking and the test needs to be reconsidered if you wish. But don't cheat. If you cheat, you are exposing yourself to a huge liability should you get sick. Spoiler alert: You will. We all will because we grow old and die. Don't give them an out.
I could have SWORN I read something not too long ago that it was not legal to deny coverage under such circumstances.
Whatever I read said that while coverage could not be denied, you could be required to pay back all of the money you did not pay by claiming you were a non-smoker.

Please, nobody quote me on this, or use this post as a basis for making such an important decision.

Unfortunately, I am unable to find where I read that now, and Googling for it hasn't lead me to anything yet.
I may spend some time later trying to find that again, and if I do find something I will post it...
 
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I don't know if I posted on this thread yet or not (it seems a little old,) but my husband and I used 0 nicotine liquids for exactly one week prior to the blood test last year and passed as non-smokers. We will be doing the same for our test this October, as the ACA allowance kicked in and his company is now charging 50% more for those found to have nicotine in their blood!

That is just insane. I'm hoping for the day when someone successfully challenges this for ecigs and other NRTs. Hope the insurance companies have to pay it all back. :sneaky: I know, that will be the day.
 

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I could have SWORN I read something not too long ago that it was not legal to deny coverage under such circumstances.
Whatever I read said that while coverage could not be denied, you could be required to pay back all of the money you did not pay by claiming you were a non-smoker.

Please, nobody quote me on this, or use this post as a basis for making such an important decision.

Unfortunately, I am unable to find where I read that now, and Googling for it hasn't lead me to anything yet.
I may spend some time later trying to find that again, and if I do find something I will post it...

I read that here too somewhere but have no idea what thread.
 

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Cool. I hope he Likes it there.

Love it. Beautiful country, great weather, delicious food and the finest women and beer in the world.

The government is corrupt, but no one cares because they don't do anything. After decades of communism and occupation they have a laissez faire attitude towards everything. Vaping is not only widely practiced, but allowed everywhere...
 

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Love it. Beautiful country, great weather, delicious food and the finest women and beer in the world.

The government is corrupt, but no one cares because they don't do anything. After decades of communism and occupation they have a laissez faire attitude towards everything. Vaping is not only widely practiced, but allowed everywhere...

Sounds like a Wonderful place to live.
 

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Sounds like a Wonderful place to live.

It is, hence why so many ex-pats live there. They also love Americans; you actually see Czechs wearing shirts and clothing with American flags on them. Live and let live is the attitude. The best part is Czech women have notoriously poor eyesight so think I look like Vin Diesel, but with hair...
 

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It is, hence why so many ex-pats live there. They also love Americans; you actually see Czechs wearing shirts and clothing with American flags on them. Live and let live is the attitude. The best part is Czech women have notoriously poor eyesight so think I look like Vin Diesel, but with hair...

I never had to date Women with poor eyesight, so I'll have to take your word On That.

BTW - Where do you live Right Now?
 

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The upside is i now know i can go without nicotine. I must be more addicted to the action of hand to mouth than anything.

That is generally the case.

Nicotine alone is not dependency forming (and addiction requires harm which nicotine does not cause).
In combinatoion with other elments in tobacco, particularly when burned, it can be.

But generally that dependence can be broken in a few days/weeks (it's been a while since I looked that up).

It's the other aspects than make it hard for people to quit. The metal aspects are the real killer. You know you aren't doing something that deep down you want to do. Vaping helps because you are getting a lot of the stimulus you want (at a subconcious level). And at the same time you can trick the sub-concious with get the physical act of vaping.

It why patches and gums don't work, and even inhalers are less than effective. The sub-concious isn't tricked.
 

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Incorrect. I'm conflating the two, because in the US, they are de facto the same thing. In Europe the situation is different...


Bull. I get healthcare all the time with no insurance involvement. No doctor either.
OTC meds. Bandages, antibiotic ointments, cough syrup, decongestants, ect.
That's all health care. I can do it myself or go to a doctor/hospictal and get the same thing.

And if, by your measure, doctor and hospital care are "human rights," the human race has been deprived of that right for most of it's existance. Most of whay you are calling for wasn't even available 100years ago.

Sorry, right don't suddely get created. Your right to a doctor's care is the same as your right to a electricity, air conditioning, or a cell phone... NON-EXISTANT.
 
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