Hic recipes.

[Mazinny]

To me they are weak and tasteless. However, its my opinion and belongs to me.
I believe FA is not a super concentrate overall. Some can be SC though. I usually research each and every flavoring and taste test each so I know how to use it in a recipe.

Interesting, most of what i have read indicates that FA is more potent than other brands and you need much less of it, but you think they are weak and tasteless.

I guess i will find out for myself. Generally speaking i find most of the brand e-liquids over flavored, and i end up diluting a lot of them. Perhaps you need more flavoring than i do.

How do you research flavors ? Does it go beyond reading what other people think of them ? And how do you taste test them before buying ? Or do you mean you try them standalone before using them in mixes ?

 

[Mazinny]

Just my opinion but i find Flavorah to be grossly overpriced and mediocre at best in the flavoring dept , no way is it on the level as FA but again thats just my opinion.

I don't feel the need to engage in an all out brawl to the death is someone disagrees but i am willing to perish if necessary .

That's the thing. For someone just starting out, it's really difficult to tell what you will like short of breaking the bank and trying all the flavors you're interested from all the brands.

Someone started a thread saying that the only two recipes she has ever made that tasted good where x's recipes, and someone else chimes in that in their opinion x's recipes are no good, FA flavorings are weak and tasteless, and Flavorah is much better. Then someone else says that Flavorah are overrated, and not in the same league as FA.

What to do !? Will you really save money in the long run if you have to try 10 different blueberries for example to find the one that works best for you ? Not to mention all the time it takes to try all the various combinations and percentages.

 

[Koolkiz]

I guess i will find out for myself. Generally speaking i find most of the brand e-liquids over flavored, and i end up diluting a lot of them. Perhaps you need more flavoring than i do.

How do you research flavors ? Does it go beyond reading what other people think of them ? And how do you taste test them before buying ? Or do you mean you try them standalone before using them in mixes ?

Well I'm not a super taster but I find FA acceptable but not for my tastebuds. I bought at least 100.00 of FA flavorings and they are sitting. I'm not trying to discourage anyone. Inaweras another brand I like. I only wish I liked FA. Good luck with your diy.
Mixing each flavor as a stand alone is how I determine my % used. I look at the manufactures site and they usually give a % on use. Sometimes I will use a poll at eliquidrecipes as a base. This forum can also be used as a guide to flavoring percentages.

 

[kas122461]

This is not really directed at anyone, but in discussing Flavor art flavors, I have found that I don't really like a recipe that is all flavor art. I prefer to use them along with TFA, cap and other flavors, and together they can produce a more realistic recipe, by combining them.
Just my

KAS

 

[man00ver]

Lol, I just bought $60 worth of mostly FA flavorings.

Maz, obviously everyone has an opinion, but I'll tell you I haven't yet run across an HIC recipe that I didn't enjoy. He's a low-total-flavor mixer, so there are many that don't go for that. FlavourArt generally requires 2+ weeks steeping for a recipe to fully develop, and there are many that don't like that either. I for one, have run his recipes in little clearos and big dual-coil RTAs, and I like them. A lot.

If you're looking for FA-centric recipes, check out user Shaner over at ELR. User Vurecipesforll has many HIC mixes posted in his collection. And user [ENYAWREKLAW] seems to favor FA flavorings as well. Those 3 recipe lists will keep you busy for a while!

 

[jpasint]

Maz, obviously everyone has an opinion, but I'll tell you I haven't yet run across an HIC recipe that I didn't enjoy. He's a low-total-flavor mixer, so there are many that don't go for that. FlavourArt generally requires 2+ weeks steeping for a recipe to fully develop, and there are many that don't like that either. I for one, have run his recipes in little clearos and big dual-coil RTAs, and I like them. A lot.

If you're looking for FA-centric recipes, check out user Shaner over at ELR. User Vurecipesforll has many HIC mixes posted in his collection. And user [ENYAWREKLAW] seems to favor FA flavorings as well. Those 3 recipe lists will keep you busy for a while!

Another fan of HIC's recipes here and plus 1 for the lower percentage for FA flavors requiring a bit longer steep time.
I find those types of recipes tend to gunk coils less though.

Interesting about the non-SSL on the other site. I wonder why it wouldn't be in today's internet? Certificates are really cheap and effective so I could only assume the site uses older software/hardware that can't handle SSL. Food for thought for sure.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Taste is a personal opinion.

What helps me is writing a note or two about the flavor. I have run out and had to substitute. Sometimes just accepting that my recipe won't be the same, but hopefully good.

Writing notes is very important when multiple brands have a version. Take "cream", at least knowing the difference from to another helps.

This recipe needs a cream, but which will work best?

Which strawberry? Which custard?

Notes are good.

Good luck!

 

[retired1]

It is insecure and your personal info can be stolen.

Only if you fail to use HTTPS as part of the URL.

Let's not make blanket statements like this. Thank you.

 

[LeeLee26]

Thanks. I actually found a reddit post with a lot of his earlier ( free ) recipes along with a bunch of other mostly FA recipes in one place. They link back to the other forum, so probably shouldn't be posted here though.

I'm just getting started with DIY, and i'm not sure about the proper etiquette re. sharing and discussing others recipes.

Hic is the only ones you have to worry about. No one else has any problems as far as I know

 

[LeeLee26]

Just my opinion but i find Flavorah to be grossly overpriced and mediocre at best in the flavoring dept , no way is it on the level as FA but again thats just my opinion.

I don't feel the need to engage in an all out brawl to the death is someone disagrees but i am willing to perish if necessary .

Haha an it cost more too

 

[LeeLee26]

That's the thing. For someone just starting out, it's really difficult to tell what you will like short of breaking the bank and trying all the flavors you're interested from all the brands.

Someone started a thread saying that the only two recipes she has ever made that tasted good where x's recipes, and someone else chimes in that in their opinion x's recipes are no good, FA flavorings are weak and tasteless, and Flavorah is much better. Then someone else says that Flavorah are overrated, and not in the same league as FA.

What to do !? Will you really save money in the long run if you have to try 10 different blueberries for example to find the one that works best for you ? Not to mention all the time it takes to try all the various combinations and percentages.

An yeah it sucks having to buy 10 to find the good one. Blueberry by flavor west is the best. An blackberry is spot on too.it is good we have these forum for help

 

[LeeLee26]

Another fan of HIC's recipes here and plus 1 for the lower percentage for FA flavors requiring a bit longer steep time.
I find those types of recipes tend to gunk coils less though.

Interesting about the non-SSL on the other site. I wonder why it wouldn't be in today's internet? Certificates are really cheap and effective so I could only assume the site uses older software/hardware that can't handle SSL. Food for thought for sure.

It takes you somewhere else when you go to buy. Gumroad

 

[LeeLee26]

Who did you get a message from, from ECF staff, or from HIC in the other forum ? And to clarify, are you saying you can't post ( as in type ) HIC's recipes here, but you can take a snapshot and post !?

Sorry, just a little confused.

No he don't want his recipes any where when I posted the snap shot I had forgotten. He keeps his all in one place. An I was so excited I made something good I really forgot. An I couldn't delete it. An my message was from a very friendly member

 

[LeeLee26]

Just ECF rules , as to "why" , my guess is the two forums are mortal enemies and would kill each other in a second if they thought they could get away with it .

The guy from the other forum has acted like a child from day 1 & has made it his life's mission to destroy and discredit ECF due to his extreme jealousy and insecurities .

His "i am the most important figure ever " and " i was correct again in my predictions" attitude makes you want to throw up.

Of course this post will be deleted by the moderators and thats OK , i did answer the question.

Well I tired looking at some threads last night. I am a crappy mixer an need help. It the other place was so slow an unbearable to use. Not worth it

 

[IDJoel]

That's the thing. For someone just starting out, it's really difficult to tell what you will like short of breaking the bank and trying all the flavors you're interested from all the brands.
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What to do !? Will you really save money in the long run if you have to try 10 different blueberries for example to find the one that works best for you ? Not to mention all the time it takes to try all the various combinations and percentages.

@Mazinny I think it depends on what you want from your vaping experience.

If you equate it to eating; some people simply see food as fuel... a peanut butter sandwich sustains them and they are satisfied with that. On the other end of the spectrum is the "gourmand" who has 37 different truffles, that cost more than the house he keeps them in, and hasn't made a home-cooked meal that cost less than $35 (for one!) in the last 20 years. then there are countless numbers of us that fall somewhere in between.

Just as with food; taste is still highly personal and subjective when DIYing. Opinions are all over the map and no one is wrong... for their own palate.

There is going to be a fair amount of trial and error to start. I just can't see any way around it. @Frenchfry1942 gave you some good advise about taking good notes for future reference. I would add to that to suggest you also make sure to record author/poster names with all recipes you try or flavor recommendations you pursue.

Finding a good flavor, or a good recipe, is wonderful. But, if you can find 2, or 4, or even more people, who share a similar palate to your own... THAT can really help to shorten your learning curve! Likewise, learning to identify those who share nothing in common with your taste buds, will help to minimize the number of flops.

Names are a minimum in my own notes; and URL links are even better. That way I can find it again, search for other suggestions, give a "thank you," or even offer suggestions/substitutes/and alternatives. It also lets me give proper credit to the rightful person if I choose to share it with others.

That is what has helped me; I hope it might be some help to you.

 

[herb]

That's the thing. For someone just starting out, it's really difficult to tell what you will like short of breaking the bank and trying all the flavors you're interested from all the brands.

Someone started a thread saying that the only two recipes she has ever made that tasted good where x's recipes, and someone else chimes in that in their opinion x's recipes are no good, FA flavorings are weak and tasteless, and Flavorah is much better. Then someone else says that Flavorah are overrated, and not in the same league as FA.

What to do !? Will you really save money in the long run if you have to try 10 different blueberries for example to find the one that works best for you ? Not to mention all the time it takes to try all the various combinations and percentages.

First off , in all the years i have been on DIY forums i have NEVER , not a single time heard a single person say FA flavorings are weak & tasteless . FA has always had a stellar reputation for being more potent than most and their flavorings have always been very highly regarded .

Read reviews on sites like Bull City flavorings and you would be convinced FA are perceived by many as the standard by which all other flavorings are judged, (not what i think) but to many they are.

There will always be people who don't care for them but to say they are weak & tasteless is absurd .

That comment to me is like saying a Ferrari is ugly and slow , you may hate Ferrari's but spare me the ridiculousness of saying they are ugly and slow which is as ridiculous as saying FA flavorings are tasteless and weak.

Now you were wondering how to decide with all the choices , this is what i have always done :

I do most of my shopping at Bull City Flavors , the customer feedback is excellent and i rely on it to guide me in to choosing the flavorings that get the most positive reviews and i have not been disappointed.

I have never just taken chances with flavorings , i know what flavors and recipe types i like and will make the most of and i target those types of flavorings.

I think most start out slow and over time build their collections of flavorings up.

I always buy 10 ml sizes before i buy larger sizes and if i really like the flavoring i will buy larger sizes in the future . Everyone ends up with a few dud's that they don't particularly care for , part of the process.

If you have to buy 10 different Blueberry flavorings before you find the right one something is very wrong , read reviews for the different Blueberry choices and it will come to you , i would also Google best Blueberry e juice flavorings .

Hope this helps

 

[IDJoel]

I'm just getting started with DIY, and i'm not sure about the proper etiquette re. sharing and discussing others recipes.

I could not find any direct answers to this it the ECF forum rules. However the following suggestions have served me well during my time here:

• DON'T EVER try to pass someone else's recipe off as your own creation. This act WILL get you in trouble with the administration if someone complains.
• If someone has asked that their recipe(s) not be shared, or not shared outside of a specified environment; be respectful and honor their request. Don't do it. Besides it just being good manners; this too can get you unwanted attention from the administration.
• DO try to give credit where it is due whenever possible. A user name, a link to the original posting (when it meets ECF standards), and/or the name of the original thread, are all a good idea.
• If you just don't know, or can't remember (it has happened to most of us at one time or another), say so. "This is not my recipe and I don't remember where I got it" goes a long way towards honest transparency.
• Don't trash someone else's work. It is fine to say "I tried it and don't care for it" but don't say "this bozo doesn't have a clue what they are doing! It tastes like the south end of a north-bound cow!!" If you have helpful, constructive criticism; be polite, and be specific. "I tried it and found it to be too sour. So I add X% of TFA sweetener and it was much better for me." It explains what didn't work for you and how you found a way to fix it.
• DO post recipes including: Recipe Name, Flavor Name AND manufacturer, and author/contributor whenever known.
  
• DO use percents for flavor concentrates whenever possible (except for nicotine). This allows readers to convert to mL, mg, or drops as they prefer, and adapt to any batch size.
• If you are including nicotine amounts; always discuss as "milligrams per milliliter" (mg/mL) and never as a percentage. It is amazing how many people do not convert this correctly... not a judgement; just a fact.

These "best practices" has served me well here on ECF; as well as other sites. I hope you find them useful as well.

If I have forgotten anything, or if anyone takes issue with any of the above, feel free to share your own thoughts. As I have already said; these are not ECF "Rules," only what has worked for me.

 

[DaveP]

HIC posts various tidbits of info on several sites as well as reviews on flavors and how he arrived at the right mix and percentage. I'm impressed by his ability to detect various nuances in flavors.

I'm a recipe copier. If I make changes it's usually in hope of tailoring it to my personal preference. One of HIC's strengths is based on mixing the same flavor combos at multiple percentages to find the one that produces the best result. It's time consuming, but effective. There's a lot to be learned from HIC's published reviews and experiments.

 

[glasseye]

That's the thing. For someone just starting out, it's really difficult to tell what you will like short of breaking the bank and trying all the flavors you're interested from all the brands.

Yes, it really can be difficult. I'm going to go and sit by @Koolkiz since I don't find that opinion absurd in the least. I don't like most FlavourArt (and thus hic's recipes), most Flavorah, and most of the usual suspects like tfa, cap, etc. It's not completely across the board, there are a few from most of them that I do use regularly and enjoy.
I think most people do not find those flavorings as difficult, judging from most usage from recipes and popularity across the DIY sites and boards. I hope you like them all, or even most of them, because let me tell you, it sucks when you don't.

 

[Mazinny]

Maz, obviously everyone has an opinion, but I'll tell you I haven't yet run across an HIC recipe that I didn't enjoy. He's a low-total-flavor mixer, so there are many that don't go for that. FlavourArt generally requires 2+ weeks steeping for a recipe to fully develop, and there are many that don't like that either. I for one, have run his recipes in little clearos and big dual-coil RTAs, and I like them. A lot.

If you're looking for FA-centric recipes, check out user Shaner over at ELR. User Vurecipesforll has many HIC mixes posted in his collection. And user [ENYAWREKLAW] seems to favor FA flavorings as well. Those 3 recipe lists will keep you busy for a while!

Thank you so much for directing me to ELR ( took me a while to figure out what it is btw ! ) and those specific users recipes. That led me to [ENYAWREKLAW] website and i watched a few of his youtube videos as well. Very very helpful for someone just starting out, but now i have to buy a scale !!!