High drain batteries, talk to me...

[Drozd]

I just started using the ones Brock posted.............jury is still out.
But I have been told these are the best with LR Atties, so what's a guy to do except listen to the people that know more then me..

they should hit harder than a regular Li-Ion battery....they might not last as long between charges...but they should be stronger...and have a longer overall life..

 

[Vaporologist]

they should hit harder than a regular Li-Ion battery....they might not last as long between charges...but they should be stronger...and have a longer overall life..

I totally agree with you Drozd. I have been using AW16340 IMR and AWRCR123 batts at 3.7V off-and-on for about two months now and, yes, IMR batts give a noticeably better performance overall when paired with LR 1.5 ohm atties. There is no doubt that the LR atty is performing to it's fullest potential when used with the IMR batts in this size. Of course, that is probably not applicable to larger size batteries like the AW18650.

There doesn't seem to be any difference when using standard 2.3 or higher ohm atties since the Li Ion batt is not getting too stressed with higher resistance.

 

[nicnac]

depends what you mean by protected...

no they don't have a PCB...they dont need one...

all better Lithium batteries (high drains included) have internal protection against over pressure and over heating...(that's the ventholes you can see in the positive end and the metal strip you see running down the side)...

protected Li-Ions have a PCB to brotect against over discharge, over charge, and shorts.... *however it's been reported that PCBs can often be damaged by charer malfunction or static electricity without any visible signs making them essentially unprotected..

the high drain LiMN is a more stable chemistry, does not produce it's own oxydizer (so if for some reason it did vent it would vent without flame), can withstand higher temperatures than Li-Ion without ill effect...yes you do have to watch that you don't overdrain them to the point where they will no longer take a charge...

and they don't get overstressed like the standard Li-Ions do...

We’re talking LiMN here which is all new to me.
So all the orange IMRs are LiMN? And also High drain?
And it is ok to overcharge these and not ok to overdischarge? I can live with that.

The IMR 14500s are rated at 8c. is that a max discharge rate of 4.8 Amps?

 

[Drozd]

I totally agree with you Drozd. I have been using AW16340 IMR and AWRCR123 batts at 3.7V off-and-on for about two months now and, yes, IMR batts give a noticeably better performance overall when paired with LR 1.5 ohm atties. There is no doubt that the LR atty is performing to it's fullest potential when used with the IMR batts in this size. Of course, that is probably not applicable to larger size batteries like the AW18650.

There doesn't seem to be any difference when using standard 2.3 or higher ohm atties since the Li Ion batt is not getting too stressed with higher resistance.

I'll mostly agree with that except for that last paragraph.... even the 2.3Ω atty has an amp draw of 1.61A at 3.7V.... the *fire 16340 batteries have a max drain rate of 1.32A....and the regular AW ICR 16340 has a max drain rate of 1.5A (which are the same numbers for the 14500 by the way...so it'd be an almost identical experience).....so they're still being overstressed...even worse if you're stacking them for 7.4V

We’re talking LiMN here which is all new to me.
So all the orange IMRs are LiMN? And also High drain?
And it is ok to overcharge these and not ok to overdischarge? I can live with that.

The IMR 14500s are rated at 8c. is that a max discharge rate of 4.8 Amps?

yep... the AW IMR look like the one brock put a picture up of..
As far as AW batteries go the orange ones are the IMR high drains...the LiMN chemistry is what makes them high drain (or lower internal battery resistance) ...and they say IMR on them....

the IMR 14500 are actually a max discharge rating of 4A... which is way more than the 2.47A amp draw a LR atty at 3.7V wants...

I still wouldn't over charge them...but they go on a standard charger so should stop charging at 4.2V anyway.... when they get week and unsatisfying take em out and charge em....not run them til they stop producing altogether and you should be good....

 

[Vaporologist]

I'll mostly agree with that except for that last paragraph.... even the 2.3Ω atty has an amp draw of 1.61A at 3.7V.... the *fire 16340 batteries have a max drain rate of 1.32A....and the regular AW ICR 16340 has a max drain rate of 1.5A (which are the same numbers for the 14500 by the way...so it'd be an almost identical experience).....so they're still being overstressed...even worse if you're stacking them for 7.4V

I totally agree! I never meant to imply that it doesn't get stressed. I was simply saying that the AW RCR123 batt is not getting too stressed while being used with 2.3 atties compared to when used with LR atties where it's gets way overstressed.

While better performance of the LR atty is definitely noticeable when using AW IMR 16340 battery vs. the AW RCR123, I have personally never been able to notice any performance difference with a standard 2.3 ohm atty. But if a choice is to use one or the other based on safety and overall longevity, IMR clearly wins my vote for 16340 and 14500 sizes.

Btw, do you know the max drain rate for protected AW17670 Li Ion 1600 mah? Thanks.

 

[mwa102464]

Since you guys are the energy kings here on ECF tell me about this,

I'm using 2 x 18650 IMR AW bats stacked as well as 2 18650 AW IC batts stacked with an HV Atty with a resistnace of approx 4.5, how much would I be overstressing these Batts at these combinations and how safe or unsafe is it using this combo.?
Thanks
MWA

 

[Vaporologist]

Drozd is the energy king. I'm just someone who has learned from personal experience and from reading his posts. I don't feel qualified to answer your questions since I don't have all the appropriate technical data. I'm sure he'll respond soon as he always does.

Edit: I'm dying to know, what PV do you own that uses two stacked 18650 batts? Thanks.

 

[Switched]

Since you guys are the energy kings here on ECF tell me about this,

I'm using 2 x 18650 IMR AW bats stacked as well as 2 18650 AW IC batts stacked with an HV Atty with a resistnace of approx 4.5, how much would I be overstressing these Batts at these combinations and how safe or unsafe is it using this combo.?
Thanks
MWA

You are miles away from stressing either batt.

 

[Switched]

Drozd is the energy king. I'm just someone who has learned from personal experience and from reading his posts. I don't feel qualified to answer your questions since I don't have all the appropriate technical data. I'm sure he'll respond soon as he always does.

Edit: I'm dying to know, what PV do you own that uses two stacked 18650 batts? Thanks.

I believe that would be the dble GGTS

 

[mwa102464]

Thanks switched I thought I was OK, it is a special GGTS, no one has the one I have, the regular GGTS will only hold one 18650 or 2 rcr123 Batts, Imeo the modder has made me a special EXTGGTS that I hook up this way with the new AVS, it is unbeliveable guys, I run 6ml's of juice and refill a couple of times before I have to change Batts and NO OTHER MOD DOES THIS.!!!

I take that back there are a couple of people that have this set up but only a couple, it's not a double GGTS, This is a special extension Sleeve made for me by Imeo.

 

[mwa102464]

Here you go guys,,, SHHHH But OMG is this one fine Mod guys.!!

 

[Switched]

Thanks switched I thought I was OK, it is a special GGTS, no one has the one I have, the regular GGTS will only hold one 18650 or 2 rcr123 Batts, Imeo the modder has made me a special EXTGGTS that I hook up this way with the new AVS, it is unbeliveable guys, I run 6ml's of juice and refill a couple of times before I have to change Batts and NO OTHER MOD DOES THIS.!!!

I take that back there are a couple of people that have this set up but only a couple, it's not a double GGTS, This is a special extension Sleeve made for me by Imeo.

I just didn't know how to call it

 

[Drozd]

Since you guys are the energy kings here on ECF tell me about this,

I'm using 2 x 18650 IMR AW bats stacked as well as 2 18650 AW IC batts stacked with an HV Atty with a resistnace of approx 4.5, how much would I be overstressing these Batts at these combinations and how safe or unsafe is it using this combo.?
Thanks
MWA

well the 4.5Ω atty at 7.4V has an amp draw of about 1.64...

the max drain rate on the AW ICR 18650 is 4.4A....

I mingt be a bit worried about the IMRs being stacked because with a max drain rate of 16A per cell they're overkill to begin with... I don't think I'd want to see the energy expelled from two of those stacked if a short happened...expecially since they'll fully discharge in about 6 minutes... 32A worth of energy released in a 6 min burst... I really don't want to see what that would do to a person or a PV (no matter how much I hate the GG and think they should be melted down)

 

[KonaNeil]

Here you go guys,,, SHHHH But OMG is this one fine Mod guys.!!

I gather that vaping it looks something like:

(Braids & feathers, optional)

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Not something you'd want to try in your car or on a plane;-)

 

[grimmer255]

Here you go guys,,, SHHHH But OMG is this one fine Mod guys.!!

lol.... its cross between a flute and a beating stick.

 

[Switched]

lol.... its cross between a flute and a beating stick.

Now, now, we are suppose to be nice to all PVs

 

[Drozd]

Now, now, we are suppose to be nice to all PVs

really? even though this is in a SuperT forum...and the PV is from a competitor that's full of himself and has fanboys that have come in here trying to stir up trouble in the past?

and well it's just an ugly looking thing anyway...no where near the quality of the superT line...

 

[Switched]

Justb yanking folks chain man Don't worry my friend the GG is getting slammed left right and centre these days.

 

[Drozd]

Justb yanking folks chain man Don't worry my friend the GG is getting slammed left right and centre these days.

lol well that'll happen when you're full of yourself and then turn and screw over your vendors...what's his count up to now...at least 3 if not 4...

 

[Switched]

Dunno buddy but the clan is sure defending him feverishly. I wanna suck on a GG so I can go through life clueless and without a worry nor a care