Homeland Security Busting Nicotine Vendors????

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How about this for disheartening ... Here in GA, apparently it is perfectly fine to physically restrain, strap a person down to a gurney and forcefully extract their blood against their will if they refuse to take a breathalyzer test! I couldn't believe what I was seeing when they showed an actual video clip of this happening in a nearby county. Check it out:

DUI suspects face forced blood draws in some Ga. counties - Atlanta News, Weather, Traffic, and Sports | FOX 5

They have always done that in Nevada. I was shocked to see a cops show where they did exactly that!
 

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My theory (actually someone else had this theory but I agree) is that he falsified his custom forms. For example, maybe said the shipment was cookies or just flavoring and it was really nicotine. If that was the case then DHS would pay him a visit because customs is a part of DHS.
I also don't believe that BT made an offer to buy RTS.
Just my two cents :)
I know this may be your opinion, but can you explain why he would be importing nicotine, or perhaps that was just your chosen example and you didn't mean to imply he imports nicotine. Oh, and by the way, I find both stories lacking in enough detail to believe them too, but that's just me and has nothing to do with the facts.
 
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Maybe I'm entitled to give my opinion, which I have. Maybe you shouldn't suggest that people shouldn't give their opinions just because you don't like or agree with their opinion :)

There is a Fine Line between an Opinion and Slander. Or Accusing someone of Committing a Crime.

I wonder how well receive I would be on "Another" Forum if I post that in My Opinion, the Administrator was getting Kick Backs from Some Vendors to Promote their Products. And to Spread Rumors about the Vendors that He Didn't.

Of course, that would just be My "Opinion".

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I totally agree that we do have to be careful how we say things by stating that this is only our opinion and only one possibility especially when not enough info is known but, also, I don't think we should hold back in this day of PCness run riot as a means of control. Most of us have had it up to our eye-balls with PCness. I have and I'm not good at it anyway. I appreciate all viewpoints unless they're from obvious trolls and am capable of discernment.
 

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There is a Fine Line between an Opinion and Slander. Or Accusing someone of Committing a Crime.

I wonder how well receive I would be on "Another" Forum if I post that in My Opinion, the Administrator was getting Kick Backs from Some Vendors to Promote their Products. And to Spread Rumors about the Vendors that He Didn't.

Of course, that would just be My "Opinion".

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Slander is saying for example "I know that (this person) stole money from me. That would be slanderous because it's being stated as a fact.
An opinion is saying for example "My theory is that (this person) stole money from me. With an added "just my two cents" which means just my opinion. Nothing has been stated as fact.
Nothing in the statement I made is or could be taken as slanderous. There is no "Fine Line" as you stated. :)
 

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Slander is saying for example "I know that (this person) stole money from me. That would be slanderous because it's being stated as a fact.
An opinion is saying for example "My theory is that (this person) stole money from me. With an added "just my two cents" which means just my opinion. Nothing has been stated as fact.
Nothing in the statement I made is or could be taken as slanderous. There is no "Fine Line" as you stated. :)

I'm not going to get into a War of Semantics with you.

If someone has some Evidence that a Forum Supplier is doing something Illegal or Deceptive, by All Means, let’s bring it out into the Light and Look at it.

But if Someone Doesn’t, and wants to Hide behind the Protection of it just being an “Opinion”, then to me they are just Engaging in FUD.

Like I said, I Wonder just how You would feel if such Accusations were posted About You?

My Opinion is you would have a Hissy Fit.
 

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I'm not going to get into a War of Semantics with you.

If someone has some Evidence that a Forum Supplier is doing something Illegal or Deceptive, by All Means, let’s bring it out into the Light and Look at it.

But if Someone Doesn’t, and wants to Hide behind the Protection of it just being an “Opinion”, then to me they are just Engaging in FUD.

Like I said, I Wonder just how You would feel if such Accusations were posted About You?

My Opinion is you would have a Hissy Fit.
Absolutely not, I would first laugh at it then I would simply say "I appreciate your opinion but there is no truth to it"
Then I would post facts that would prove your opinion to be false :)
 

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Absolutely not, I would first laugh at it then I would simply say "I appreciate your opinion but there is no truth to it"
Then I would post facts that would prove your opinion to be false :)

Oh I see how it Works Now.

The Burden of Proof is on the Accused. Not the Accuser.

That makes it Much Easier for People to sit in the Comfort of their Desk Chair and Post just about Anything they want about a Person or Company.

I like that Technique. It is even Better than Hiding behind it isn't Slander or a False Accusation, it is just my Opinion.
 

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Oh I see how it Works Now.

The Burden of Proof is on the Accused. Not the Accuser.

That makes it Much Easier for People to sit in the Comfort of their Desk Chair and Post just about Anything they want about a Person or Company.

I like that Technique. It is even Better than Hiding behind it isn't Slander or a False Accusation, it is just my Opinion.

Well, it works for Glenn Back and Alex Jones, so why not. It's sad that there are so many that do not understand the difference of what's legal and just doing what's right. That's just my opinion, anyway. :D
 

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Slander is saying for example "I know that (this person) stole money from me. That would be slanderous because it's being stated as a fact.
An opinion is saying for example "My theory is that (this person) stole money from me. With an added "just my two cents" which means just my opinion. Nothing has been stated as fact.
Nothing in the statement I made is or could be taken as slanderous. There is no "Fine Line" as you stated. :)

BTW - You were Correct when you said you were Not Engaging in Slander.

In Common Law, Slander has to be performed via Spoken Word. What you did is defined as Defamation because you put it in Text.
 

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Here is some Interesting Info...

In Connecticut, defamation encompasses defamation by spoken (slander) and written (libel) words. In general, to raise a proper claim for basic defamation, a plaintiff must show that:

1. A defamatory statement was made
2. The statement identified the plaintiff to a third person
3. The statement was published to a third person
4. The plaintiff's reputation suffered injury as a result of the defamatory statement

From....

Connecticut Defamation Law, The Internet, And Social Networking : Connecticut Business Litigation Blog

Since RTS already has a Lawyer, might as well use him to file a Libel Suit. At least that is My Opinion.
 

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Here is some Interesting Info...

In Connecticut, defamation encompasses defamation by spoken (slander) and written (libel) words. In general, to raise a proper claim for basic defamation, a plaintiff must show that:

1. A defamatory statement was made
2. The statement identified the plaintiff to a third person
3. The statement was published to a third person
4. The plaintiff's reputation suffered injury as a result of the defamatory statement

From....

Connecticut Defamation Law, The Internet, And Social Networking : Connecticut Business Litigation Blog

Since RTS already has a Lawyer, might as well use him to file a Libel Suit. At least that is My Opinion.
WOW, your an angry guy :)
They are absolutely entitled to file a Libel Suit. They would lose :)
 

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WOW, your an angry guy :)
They are absolutely entitled to file a Libel Suit. They would lose :)

Not Angry at all.

I just don't like People who think it is OK to make Accusations about a Person or Company Committing a Crime without any Evidence.

Funny how People Stand in Line to Bash the FDA or the DHS saying that they "have no evidence".

But when an Individual does it, it is somehow Different?
 
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Not Angry at all.

I just don't like People who think it is OK to make Accusations about a Person or Company Committing a Crime without any Evidence.

Funny how People Stand in Line to Bash the FDA or the DHS saying that they "have no evidence".

But when an Individual does it, it is somehow Different?
This is where the problem lies. You took my post as a " Accusations about a Person or Company Committing a Crime without any Evidence" and my post was simply just my opinion.
You obviously disagree with my opinion which you are entitled to do. So, at this point I think we should just agree to disagree :)
 

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This is where the problem lies. You took my post as a " Accusations about a Person or Company Committing a Crime without any Evidence" and my post was simply just my opinion.
You obviously disagree with my opinion which you are entitled to do. So, at this point I think we should just agree to disagree :)

Sure.

But if you Don't know this Already, putting "this is just my Opinion" on a statement Doesn't release you from Slander or Libel.

And it Doesn't Change what People know is your Intent.
 
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