Homeland Security Busting Nicotine Vendors????

[umanbean]

So, at this point I think we should just agree to disagree

Yep...

AND agree to quit using this thread to bicker with each other over semantics. AND agree to just get back On Topic, or take it to PM.

I came to this thread to find out if I'm still going to be able to get ecig supplies 6 months or a year from now... not to have to slog through post after post after post of this crap.

 

[salemgold]

Oh I see how it Works Now.

The Burden of Proof is on the Accused. Not the Accuser.

That makes it Much Easier for People to sit in the Comfort of their Desk Chair and Post just about Anything they want about a Person or Company.

I like that Technique. It is even Better than Hiding behind it isn't Slander or a False Accusation, it is just my Opinion.

Unfortunately, that is exactly how it works it todays legal system.
ETA- One would not think that they would have to deal with such things on an ecig forum though.

I agree with you 100%. And to think that I used to watch/listen to that show and have respect. No more.

 

[bnrkwest]

Holey Moley!!!!!!!!!!! This is scary stuff, if it is related to BT being turned down, Geez this is crazy! bnrk

From the owner of RTS Vapes http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nicotine-liquid-made-usa-286.html#post9946253, the federal agents got involved when they said he "lied" about selling flavored nicotine eliquid, which he doesn't.


"Had 3 federal agents from the department of homeland security visit my home and facility yesterday while I am on vacation. ... do they have to do with our US nicotine extraction? They claim they will try to get an arrest warrant from the US attorney for liying to a federal agent. The agent asked me, do you sell the little vials with flavor and nicotine in them and I said no. Then they go to my facility and find we produce flavorless liquid nicotine and think it is the same as flavored. I guess this is a new way for the federal government to go after companies."

"They are not saying it is illegal to sell flavored nicotine. They are saying I am guilty of lying to a federal agent because I said we do not sell it which is true. The department of homeland security does not know the difference between flavored and concentrated flavorless nicotine. There were around 20 other questions asked about the production of pure nicotine being a risk to the country because it is a poison."

"Curious that we refused a buyout offer by a BT company last week and this happens."


Just conjecture here, but this sounds a lot like gang-like retaliation and bullying by out-of-control government or BT hassling certain people in the name of "national security". In reality, it appears to be, "You just upset my bed partner (Big Tobacco) and now I'm going to get even with you for them." Makes you wonder if this incident would have happened had the buyout gone through.

I still don't see why Homeland Security would get involved with this. Were they really federal agents? Or were they hired thugs with fake badges? The guy at RTS said they wore torn jeans. Not what I would expect from official federal agents.

 

[Petrodus]

DING !!

 

[kevbow]

DING !!

Round two will be this evening during my show

 

[SirSteve]

Round two will be this evening during my show

When is this show? And where can we find it?

 

[Factor52]

Right here: Vapers Place - VP Live Podcast

 

[markdm4805]

It's Kevins show on the VP Live network. According to the schedule it starts at 9PM EST. Just go to Vapers Place - The original and worlds largest electronic cigarette vaping social network click on Listen Live.

 

[Racehorse]

I don't know - none of this really adds up for me.

After I received a RANT via email from RTS about the USPS/government, I now have to wonder if there are other activities that people who are anti govt. types get into, who knows, maybe he joined some orgs, or is very vocal online or in the wrong places.

After Timothy McVeigh I can tell you that the feds are none too careful, as they should be.

Since i don't know more about this person's circumstance, I'm just saying that WE DON'T KNOW. Since selling and making nicotine in fluids is not illegal, then I'm just throwing this out there.

Otherwise, Wizard Labs would be busted too, right? And all the others who make and sell nicotine unflavored liquid.

Being approached by a BT company, that is usually not done on the fly......there is a HUGE amount of paperwork offered, and like when an oil company wants to buy your land, they send a rep. It's not at all informal nowadays.

Too much "consipiracy theory" stuff here for my brain to buy in to.

But I surely wish the guy at RTS the best of luck in all this.

 

[Racehorse]

Happarently it is perfectly fine to physically restrain, strap a person down to a gurney and forcefully extract their blood against their will if they refuse to take a breathalyzer test!

If the person gets behind the wheel drunk, and kills your child, then come back and tell me about it.

Seriously, if you are drinking and getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, your way OUT is to prove you are not drunk by taking a breathalizer. If you can't pass the test then I'm all for taking away your license, impounding your car and putting you on foot for a while. If you won't take the test then you have probably had too much to drink. Should they just let you go? how are they going to prove that you shouldn't be behind the wheel without tests of some sort???

this is no joke. Drinking and driving KILLS INNOCENT PEOPLE. call a cab if you don't want to follow the laws.

 

[Uma]

I bet this gal is a Vaper. We all know Vapers drink lots of water.
College Student Arrested & Thrown in Jail After Buying…Bottled Water | TheBlaze.com

Big brother is watching.

 

[Petrodus]

Big brother is watching.

But ah ah ah ... if you're not doing anything wrong
ya have nothing to worry about.
Never mind !!

 

[Uma]

:rofl: yep.

 

[Racehorse]

But ah ah ah ... if you're not doing anything wrong
ya have nothing to worry about.
Never mind !!

VA ABC is one of the largest forces in the US, they used to go after prohibitionists, now they are where there is a big party school and kids pay shills there to buy liquor for them, so these stores are under careful watch as sting operations go on. Of course they used too much force, and should be censored and investigated.........but I get confused, in one topic the extreme "law-and-order" type sheriffs get adored and high fived, and then you turn around and see other topics where it's frowned on. I don't see anyone compllaining about it in TX and AZ....and every single TV show seems to be about cops and vice squads and undercover agents and such these days. I imagine there are many such things going on in minority and poor neighborhoods all the time but very few people complain about it....until a college kid receives the same treatment. I think this country needs to decide who and what they want to be. ???

By the way, I bartended working myself thru dental bills at a 2nd and 3rd job a few times, nice family restaurant, was invaded one night by the vice squad as a customer left who they ended up giving a DUI to in his driveway when he got home........and I can tell you they were none too nice, it's like being invaded by the SWAT team, I truly feared for my well-being. I was not on shift when that person was served, had just come on shift when they came bursting in...... but got treated like a criminal during a big drug bust, it was just AWFUL scary. This was 25+ years ago so I am surprised people aren't aware of just how much forcefulness is used during these kinds of incidents.

I guess I am not as naive as most people and have been out there seeing it happen for decades. Many decades. Some of you talk about this like it's "something new"???

 

[Petrodus]

The subject is nothing new...However, it has accelerated several folds
just within my life-time.

These old eyes have seen many stolen rights, freedoms and privileges.
Political Correctness which is in place to control speech ... and thought
hasn't helped any !!

What is the answer (the fix) ??
Barring revolution ... I don't know.

 

[zoiDman]

Round two will be this evening during my show

Kevin…

Great Show!

When I saw that you were going to do “Round 2” on your show, I invited a Bunch of People over so we could Listen to it.

We Laughed Our A$$es Off. One of the Best Rants I have heard in a Long Time. It was Hysterical.

 

[kevbow]

Kevin…

Great Show!

When I saw that you were going to do “Round 2” on your show, I invited a Bunch of People over so we could Listen to it.

We Laughed Our A$$es Off. One of the Best Rants I have heard in a Long Time. It was Hysterical.

Why thank you zoiDman. It wouldn't have been possible without you

 

[zoiDman]

Why thank you zoiDman. It wouldn't have been possible without you

Yeah...

I guess it Couldn't have been. LOL

You should have seen about 7 people crowed around a 20" Computer Screen Reading this Thread while you gave the Blow by Blow. It was Hysterical.

 

[Penn]

If the person gets behind the wheel drunk, and kills your child, then come back and tell me about it.

Seriously, if you are drinking and getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, your way OUT is to prove you are not drunk by taking a breathalizer. If you can't pass the test then I'm all for taking away your license, impounding your car and putting you on foot for a while. If you won't take the test then you have probably had too much to drink. Should they just let you go? how are they going to prove that you shouldn't be behind the wheel without tests of some sort???

this is no joke. Drinking and driving KILLS INNOCENT PEOPLE. call a cab if you don't want to follow the laws.

I get your point about drinking and driving but you are missing something here. First, breathalyzers have been known to give false positives. Some who have been forcibly strapped down, a needle inserted and blood drawn out of them have turned out to NOT be drunk. Police should be subjected to laws also. This is coming from a person who when watching videos claiming police brutality will side with the cop about 90% of the time.

Back on topic but still relevant to that point - Law enforcement and government agencies are supposed to be subject to laws. If Randy is accurately portraying the events with with RTS, he needs to pursue that. Rule of law.

 

[skydragon]

I'm sure the government has safe-guards and oversights in place
to protect citizens from government agencies running wild.
We just need to trust the government ... and go back to sleep.

Did you mean "go back to sheep" =)