House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[Katz123]

How about a Donate button on the site so those of us who can afford it can add however much we feel happy with to the order?

You could always just pay more than the invoice...you know "by mistake"

 

[Stormiefury]

Will the z-atty-u work on the silver bullet? and at 6volts?

 

[Roxxette]

Will the z-atty-u work on the silver bullet? and at 6volts?

There is no need for high volt with genesis atomizers , just need to adjust wraps as you wish


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[Stormiefury]

Don't want to use high voltage it's just that that's the only batteries I have right now. So I was curious as to if it would hurt it or if it would be ok till I can get 3.7 batteries for it.

 

[spw11]

Anyone happen to know the ID of the drip tip opening on a Zenesis? Like pretty accurately....

Will a 0.341" OD tip fit a Zenesis?

 

[UA72Riddle]

welcome back Riddle........

Thanks.... good to be home, though it will be short lived.

Got called to another high priority job, will be heading out Saturday or Sunday to be at the plant on Monday morning. I use to think being a part of an elite group was awesome..... now is just a pain. Ready to be a regular Joe again. I'm just glad I have an amazing woman at my side that understands and supports me, and tolerates my travels.

 

[Mr. P]

Morning Zenfidels

Opening scene from Oklahoma,

Oh what a beautiful morning
Oh what a beautiful day
I've got a beautiful feeling
Everythings going my way

 

[Hrathor]

Anyone happen to know the ID of the drip tip opening on a Zenesis? Like pretty accurately....

Will a 0.341" OD tip fit a Zenesis?

My Super T's measure in at .338 and they fit TIGHT. So I would say you might want to take .0015-.002 off. They are a bit snug going on, but getting them off again requires some brute force. Some sandpaper should get you there in no time if you find .341 is too big.

 

[muddstar]

You'll fry your coils not to mention your throat. Do yourself a favor and get some 18650's before you get your Z.

Don't want to use high voltage it's just that that's the only batteries I have right now. So I was curious as to if it would hurt it or if it would be ok till I can get 3.7 batteries for it.

 

[vicsan]

I wanted a ZAP and now after reading about the trouble Zen has gone through producing them, I want to get a standard too.

You will be happy you have two of them. They're like Lays Potato chips...you can't vape just one.

 

[vicsan]

Ripp, why can't you watch her shows?

Ripple has Satellite service and can't watch Internet TV with it.

 

[vicsan]

morning all,

Cant wait for tonight, can someone tell me if HOH site will take UK debit cards or will i have to use a Credit card?

I'm pretty sure it's Charge Cards only, and if I'm wrong, someone will surely correct me.

 

[K-man]

Three minutes to catch up. Not bad. Quiet night. Tonight won't be

 

[Motherlioness]

I am almost jumping out of my skin for tonight and i am not even trying for either of the full apvs! I am waiting to get the z-atties, but so excited to see the sales start... And end quickly lol

 

[K-man]

I am almost jumping out of my skin for tonight and i am not even trying for either of the full apvs! I am waiting to get the z-atties, but so excited to see the sales start... And end quickly lol

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I don't think the atty's will be tonight. Another week I think

 

[Motherlioness]

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I don't think the atty's will be tonight. Another week I think

I know! Why am i so excited? Who knows lol. Just excited to see it all go down i guess.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Ripp, why can't you watch her shows?

Its The Man keeping the poor hippie liberal down -- maybe its part of the anti-protestor NATO summit preperations. we get closer and closer to Big Brother every day, TSA is for our security my ...., its to track us.........better stop the rant here, I know they're tapping the phone lines and monitoring the computers of those capable of free thought!!!

Thanks.... good to be home, though it will be short lived.

Got called to another high priority job, will be heading out Saturday or Sunday to be at the plant on Monday morning. I use to think being a part of an elite group was awesome..... now is just a pain. Ready to be a regular Joe again. I'm just glad I have an amazing woman at my side that understands and supports me, and tolerates my travels.

Bummer, dude, I know being 'the' guy burned out one of my friends in about 5 years in the Geophysics industry.......

Ripple has Satellite service and can't watch Internet TV with it.

OK, the real reason......

 

[Katz123]

Its The Man keeping the poor hippie liberal down -- maybe its part of the anti-protestor NATO summit preperations. we get closer and closer to Big Brother every day, TSA is for our security my ...., its to track us.........better stop the rant here, I know they're tapping the phone lines and monitoring the computers of those capable of free thought!!!



Bummer, dude, I know being 'the' guy burned out one of my friends in about 5 years in the Geophysics industry.......



OK, the real reason......

Wow, that sucks for you. Are you so far out in the boonies that regular cell service wouldn't work for you?

 

[*ASH*]

So as I think every thing will show on next hours . I will just keep my eyes on the site .

 

[tgtsv5]

I think you summed it up pretty well.

But I would like to add a bit to it...

When I created the Zenesis PV I had a goal to sell the Standard for 200 bucks... and the first five or six did... These were all hand made by me in my shop... When I calculated my time, I wasn't making very much per hour... not a lot of meat on the bone at 200 bucks.

So I set forth to put an extra 25 bucks in my pocket and raised the price to 225, and introduced the mini at 195... I really wanted a PV to be at that 200 dollar price point... that's why the mini was introduced... The problem is, the mini costs about 3 bucks less to make than the standard. The additional savings came from a less expensive case, and a smaller profit margin.

Then the demand went through the roof, and I realized I couldn't possibly make them all myself... I found a machine shop.

And the price remained the same.

What people do NOT realize is the expense of getting these things into a shop. Tooling, fixtures, CAD, Programming... it all adds up... The FIRST run of 200 PVs cost me WAYYYY more than I sold them for when you factor in the tooling and incidentals, and on an endeavor such as this, there's no way of knowing if there will even BE a second run... all the initial costs are "at risk".

Feb and March PVs generated just shy of 50,000 in sales... and the machine shop bill was about 39,000 PLUS another 10,000 was spent on the small parts, cases, kanthal, wicks etc. So that's 49K roughly against 50K in sales...

The switch problem set me back another couple thousand because I was in a rush... I still haven't got all of that settled...

OH yes... tanks that were not up to snuff didn't help either.

Paypal and Square fees, plus other expenses not including postage ate up roughly 4%... that's about 2K.

I earned NOTHING on the first two months of sales... In fact I LOST more money in those two months than some people in this thread MAKE in two months.

But without risk... there is no reward, right?

So the shops finally get the Z-attys ready, and the next 200 PVs are ready to assemble too...

The parts cost money... lots and lots of money. So this time the machine shops get even MORE money... after all, there's 375 Z-attys to pay for and 25 Titanium Standards... and WOW this bill will pay for a SERIOUSLY NICE ITALIAN SPORTS CAR...

And I pay it...

And then eCommerce gets shut down...

For a month...

The bottom line is at this point there is no bottom line... I'm ALL IN, and it will be a long haul digging out, and doggonit... it's WORTH it!

I'm seeing aspects that are unique to my design showing up in other peoples work now. It's flattering, even if it is unethical. No biggie... I created the Zenesis... I feel good about it.

I'm committed to 1000 stainless PVs this year... it was foolish to do Titanium and Aluminum and dilute my own efforts... but I wanted to do MORE... no risk... no reward!

So think about my mindset for a moment.

This is kinda scary, isn't it? Can people see what's on the line? Can people see why I might be on edge?

So... then we get a guy, that for NO other reason than being at the right place at the right time... sells one of the PVs I built... at my risk... with my precious time... with MY money... they up and sell it for a hundred bucks more than they sell for.

I wish I could make a hundred bucks that easily.

WE built a community here... all of us... WE created the value of the brand... All of us... And being a part of this community has to stand for something.

There are literally DOZENS of people in this community that don't have a device yet... and some guy buys one... goes outside the community and sells it ... no... SCALPS it for 100 bucks over fair market value. So WHAT if he traded it, by the way... the trade was based on his asking price and negotiated from there.

So far people that have sold their PVs have made more money than I have.

I value this community.

But the very fabric of this group is threatened by this behavior.

So... in the spirit of full disclosure... The eCommerce thing scared me... a lot.

Having parts without an ability to sell them... well... that's the scariest thing on earth at the moment. So if I've been on edge, testy, or even rude... that's why.

But I'm not backing down from the scalping issue.

So here's what I consider to be scalping:

1) If a person sells their Zenesis PV at a price over the current retail price... it's scalping.

2)If a person buys a PV for 250.00 plus 6 bucks shipping and they sell it for 256 PLUS SHIPPING to the next person, it's scalping.

3) If a person pays 250 plus shipping for a PV, and they sell it for 250 NOT INCLUDING THE CASE AND REMAINING ACCESSORIES... It's scalping.

The following is NOT scalping:

1) A person sells a Discontinued, a BAM or a LIMITED for above what they paid... it is NOT scalping. It is selling a PV that is no longer available at the price the market will bear.

2) A person sells a current production PV for the price they originally paid for it, less original shipping.

3) A person sells a current production PV... PLUS ADDITIONAL ACCESSORIES WITH REAL VALUE for a price above the current retail value, but not exceeding the combined real retail value.

So that's what I consider the reality of this all.

Thanks for your undertsanding and compassion for my situation.

I really appreciate it.

Wow Zen! Here's an idea. We all know that when the site goes live the PVs will be flying off the shelf. I sure hope you warned the CC company.. and your server too for that matter. I think you should also hold a auction for the last few and accept bids on the here for an hour. I bet you'll get far more then selling price. Its not price gouging. Its supply and demand. If someone wants it sooner then available they will pay for it. And, I bet they wont resell it because they wanted it so badly..