House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

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Zens are being made and sold monthly. In the last sale there were around 100 that were sold out in just a few minutes. In addition to those, there were Special Editions that were also made and sold....BAM 100 APVs, AYS 30 APVs, Ash 20 APVs. The T1s were also finished, assembled, and went out in the mail in the last couple of weeks. There are about 250 people that have been on a list for many months for the Zattys. These are being assembled and will be going out in the next week or so.

And all of this is the effort of one man who also works a full time 40 hr work week. He is doing all the work on the Zenesis in what is laughingly called his spare time.

Most of the people on this list has been waiting months, not just days or weeks. In spite of that, all the Zenfidels believe in adhering to Zen's wishes pertaining to his Zenesis creations, and also believe in playing nice with the other members of the group.

People who believe that scalping is all right, or that getting a Zenesis APV anyway you can is acceptable behavior might not be a good fit for this group.


I’ve kept to myself on this whole issue, but frankly it’s ridiculous. If a person wants to buy something, has the money, and decides to spends it on said product at an agreeable price then who is anyone to condemn the seller or the buyer? People have “FREE WILL” to choose whether they wish to buy the item you are selling at whatever price you determine is agreeable or simply pass on the sale. The idea that buying a Zenesis comes with a plethora of strings attached of an almost a religious nature is preposterous. We live in a FREE MARKET CAPITALISTIC society and SUPPLY AND DEMAND dictates what value all goods have by the demand and scarcity of said goods. This idea that the person who buys a product and resells it at a profit is somehow a greedy, amoral, scum of the earth person, is pure hypocrisy. If the creator of a product is so annoyed with other’s profiting from his efforts he should either charge more or simply be thankful that early adopters bankrolled his inventory with the idea they could profit from buying additional units. Do you hate Wal-Mart or Target or any other retailer for charging more for their products that they obviously paid less for? Did they force you to pay a profit on the product that they surely didn’t create? Isn’t the fact that they have the item you want at a price you’re willing to pay, a fair arrangement for the energy and money it takes to conveniently acquire, provide, and store the product locally for you worth a premium?

Value Added, can simply mean I HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, I WAITED FOR WEEKS, I SPENT HOURS ACQUIRING THIS ITEM, so you didn’t have to...now pay me my pound of flesh or go to the back of the queue.

It’s simply a choice. The ones capable of paying the premium are obviously making a valued judgment as to what their time is worth.

The whole thing boils down to whether Zen wants to be in business or start a religion? I personally think this whole “Tar & Feather” approach by forum members will ultimately just alienate people to not want to be part of this group. To borrow a phrase, It’s like walking on eggshells in here and it’s only getting worse. This self-righteous indignation is nauseating. What, no one here has ever bought and sold something at a profit before that they themselves didn’t create? A person who simply wants a Zenesis and is willing to pay more for it to get one, is now bound by some unknown rule that they must loose money on it if they decide to sell it at a price they themselves paid?

“CAVEAT EMPTOR” has somehow lost it’s meaning?

If this is the direction of this thread, then banish me. I don’t care. At least I won’t have to read pages of hypocrisy and self-righteous comments from people smugly pretending they are somehow of a higher moral fiber while condemning people for being human as well as opportunistic. More importantly, you can not police human nature, and if you try you may likely harm Zen’s business more than help it.

Keep your Kool-Aid, it tasting sour to me.

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Zens are being made and sold monthly. In the last sale there were around 100 that were sold out in just a few minutes. In addition to those, there were Special Editions that were also made and sold....BAM 100 APVs, AYS 30 APVs, Ash 20 APVs. The T1s were also finished, assembled, and went out in the mail in the last couple of weeks. There are about 250 people that have been on a list for many months for the Zattys. These are being assembled and will be going out in the next week or so.

And all of this is the effort of one man who also works a full time 40 hr work week. He is doing all the work on the Zenesis in what is laughingly called his spare time.

Most of the people on this list have been waiting months, not just days or weeks. In spite of that, all the Zenfidels believe in adhering to Zen's wishes pertaining to his Zenesis creations, and also believe in playing nice with the other members of the group.

People who believe that scalping is all right, or that getting a Zenesis APV anyway you can is acceptable behavior might not be a good fit for this group.

Well said! As always, you're a dear!
 

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I have a question. If my wife's mini arrives before my standard would I be a bad husband if I broke in her wick until my standard arrives?

Well, I guess that would depend on how much you value your life.........LOL

And whether or not she gets to use it too! :p
 

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TI in THA HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!


Congrats Man!!


I keep seeing this misinformation here lately.

There were issues with some early febbie mini switches. I have one that's waiting on replacement.

Yep Zen said he going to do the Standard Switches first
 

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from Zen's Update post:

Z-Atty Update
All parts are machined and delivered...
Self Adjusting Z-atty Pro and Z-atty-U pin upgrade works FLAWLESSLY... Payment notices going out this weekend for the Z-atty-U and Z-atty-Pro MARCH list and shipment will be within a day or so of receiving payment. Payment notices for the APRIL list will go out Mid Week. Limited amount of product for the public will be on the site the week of June 25.
Z atty G the first list will ship late next week. The next list will get notifications next weekend

register on the site and be ready... hotcakes are jealous of how the Z-Attys will sell...

I know the ZAGs will sell well....:thumbs:

Yes, Rachael. :) Love the movie.

Sean Young, beautiful and crazy..........:)

I’ve kept to myself on this whole issue, but frankly it’s ridiculous. If a person wants to buy something, has the money, and decides to spends it on said product at an agreeable price then who is anyone to condemn the seller or the buyer? People have “FREE WILL” to choose whether they wish to buy the item you are selling at whatever price you determine is agreeable or simply pass on the sale. The idea that buying a Zenesis comes with a plethora of strings attached of an almost a religious nature is preposterous. We live in a FREE MARKET CAPITALISTIC society and SUPPLY AND DEMAND dictates what value all goods have by the demand and scarcity of said goods. This idea that the person who buys a product and resells it at a profit is somehow a greedy, amoral, scum of the earth person, is pure hypocrisy. If the creator of a product is so annoyed with other’s profiting from his efforts he should either charge more or simply be thankful that early adopters bankrolled his inventory with the idea they could profit from buying additional units. Do you hate Wal-Mart or Target or any other retailer for charging more for their products that they obviously paid less for? Did they force you to pay a profit on the product that they surely didn’t create? Isn’t the fact that they have the item you want at a price you’re willing to pay, a fair arrangement for the energy and money it takes to conveniently acquire, provide, and store the product locally for you worth a premium?

Value Added, can simply mean I HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, I WAITED FOR WEEKS, I SPENT HOURS ACQUIRING THIS ITEM, so you didn’t have to...now pay me my pound of flesh or go to the back of the queue.

It’s simply a choice. The ones capable of paying the premium are obviously making a valued judgment as to what their time is worth.

The whole thing boils down to whether Zen wants to be in business or start a religion? I personally think this whole “Tar & Feather” approach by forum members will ultimately just alienate people to not want to be part of this group. To borrow a phrase, It’s like walking on eggshells in here and it’s only getting worse. This self-righteous indignation is nauseating. What, no one here has ever bought and sold something at a profit before that they themselves didn’t create? A person who simply wants a Zenesis and is willing to pay more for it to get one, is now bound by some unknown rule that they must loose money on it if they decide to sell it at a price they themselves paid?

“CAVEAT EMPTOR” has somehow lost it’s meaning?

If this is the direction of this thread, then banish me. I don’t care. At least I won’t have to read pages of hypocrisy and self-righteous comments from people smugly pretending they are somehow of a higher moral fiber while condemning people for being human as well as opportunistic. More importantly, you can not police human nature, and if you try you may likely harm Zen’s business more than help it.

Keep your Kool-Aid, it tasting sour to me.

:laugh:

Dude, I understand what you're saying but I have been around long enough to know who likes it and who doesn't. Us older hippie types appreciate Zen's stance and if you drink the kool-aid, you have to enjoy iy.....:)
 

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Because this thread has a life of it's own and it's hard to keep track of things, might I ask when the status of the z-atty pro? (I believe I'm on the wait list.)

Update 6-9-2012

TI Mini Status...
All Parts are in... Payment Notices going out early next week, expecting to ship by no later than June 18... mark you Calendars folks, I actually am shipping something REALLY early! (six weeks early has got to be some kind of record in the PV world... I know it is for me!)

Z-Atty Update
All parts are machined and delivered...
Self Adjusting Z-atty Pro and Z-atty-U pin upgrade works FLAWLESSLY... Payment notices going out this weekend for the Z-atty-U and Z-atty-Pro MARCH list and shipment will be within a day or so of receiving payment. Payment notices for the APRIL list will go out Mid Week. Limited amount of product for the public will be on the site the week of June 25.
Z atty G the first list will ship late next week. The next list will get notifications next weekend.

zen~ alerts are Here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/zenation-home-zenfidels-d2315-zen-alert-page2.html
 

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I’ve kept to myself on this whole issue, but frankly it’s ridiculous. If a person wants to buy something, has the money, and decides to spends it on said product at an agreeable price then who is anyone to condemn the seller or the buyer? People have “FREE WILL” to choose whether they wish to buy the item you are selling at whatever price you determine is agreeable or simply pass on the sale. The idea that buying a Zenesis comes with a plethora of strings attached of an almost a religious nature is preposterous. We live in a FREE MARKET CAPITALISTIC society and SUPPLY AND DEMAND dictates what value all goods have by the demand and scarcity of said goods. This idea that the person who buys a product and resells it at a profit is somehow a greedy, amoral, scum of the earth person, is pure hypocrisy. If the creator of a product is so annoyed with other’s profiting from his efforts he should either charge more or simply be thankful that early adopters bankrolled his inventory with the idea they could profit from buying additional units. Do you hate Wal-Mart or Target or any other retailer for charging more for their products that they obviously paid less for? Did they force you to pay a profit on the product that they surely didn’t create? Isn’t the fact that they have the item you want at a price you’re willing to pay, a fair arrangement for the energy and money it takes to conveniently acquire, provide, and store the product locally for you worth a premium?

Value Added, can simply mean I HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, I WAITED FOR WEEKS, I SPENT HOURS ACQUIRING THIS ITEM, so you didn’t have to...now pay me my pound of flesh or go to the back of the queue.

It’s simply a choice. The ones capable of paying the premium are obviously making a valued judgment as to what their time is worth.

The whole thing boils down to whether Zen wants to be in business or start a religion? I personally think this whole “Tar & Feather” approach by forum members will ultimately just alienate people to not want to be part of this group. To borrow a phrase, It’s like walking on eggshells in here and it’s only getting worse. This self-righteous indignation is nauseating. What, no one here has ever bought and sold something at a profit before that they themselves didn’t create? A person who simply wants a Zenesis and is willing to pay more for it to get one, is now bound by some unknown rule that they must loose money on it if they decide to sell it at a price they themselves paid?

“CAVEAT EMPTOR” has somehow lost it’s meaning?

If this is the direction of this thread, then banish me. I don’t care. At least I won’t have to read pages of hypocrisy and self-righteous comments from people smugly pretending they are somehow of a higher moral fiber while condemning people for being human as well as opportunistic. More importantly, you can not police human nature, and if you try you may likely harm Zen’s business more than help it.

Keep your Kool-Aid, it tasting sour to me.

:laugh:

I hope you decide to stick around, man. I've always enjoyed your posts! A couple of months ago, I was cruising the classifieds with a pocketful of cash from a successful Vegas trip. I think a Zen came up for about $100 more than it originally sold for, and I sent a PM on it. I didn't buy it, but it did get some controversy roiling here on the thread. That was right about the time that Zen made his feelings on profiteering on his work crystal clear. I understand his position, and withdrew my offer.

I guess for me what it comes down to is this is Zen's Supplier thread. His thread, his rules. I don't always agree with everything here, but for the most part I really enjoy the community, culture, and family here. I haven't seen much in the way in tarring or feathering this time around- when I sent a PM on the sale a while back, I (as a potential buyer) was called an idiot here. :D Anyway, the positives outweigh the minuses here for me. This is a great bunch of folks.
 

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Morning all, I hope everyone is well. My hand's pretty much healed now so I'll be popping in here more often again :)
Zen is there any word on when the replacement standards will be shipping to those of us in Aus that never received them? I'd even be willing to pay again if that helps so you're not out of pocket ;)
 

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Sweet!

(I haven't gotten any notices so wonder if I'm still on the list...)

Update 6-9-2012

TI Mini Status...
All Parts are in... Payment Notices going out early next week, expecting to ship by no later than June 18... mark you Calendars folks, I actually am shipping something REALLY early! (six weeks early has got to be some kind of record in the PV world... I know it is for me!)

Z-Atty Update
All parts are machined and delivered...
Self Adjusting Z-atty Pro and Z-atty-U pin upgrade works FLAWLESSLY... Payment notices going out this weekend for the Z-atty-U and Z-atty-Pro MARCH list and shipment will be within a day or so of receiving payment. Payment notices for the APRIL list will go out Mid Week. Limited amount of product for the public will be on the site the week of June 25.
Z atty G the first list will ship late next week. The next list will get notifications next weekend.

zen~ alerts are Here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/zenation-home-zenfidels-d2315-zen-alert-page2.html
 

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Yep Zen said he going to do the Standard Switches first
Yes, we received instructions on 6/1 in the Zen Alerts thread:

Febbie Zenesis Standard Switch Upgrade Update...

We are ready to roll with the Switch Upgrades, and we are doing the STANDARD upgrades first. Log in to the shopping cart and send me a message using the CRM system with your SCREEN NAME, and your SERIAL NUMBER. I will send you a link, please be patient, to the FREE item to put in your cart. ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU SELECT TO PURCHASE AT THIS TIME WILL RECEIVE A 10% Discount AND SHIP FREE WORLD WIDE... if you are out of the country you can select premium shipping options AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE.

The items that qualify for the upgrade for this round are: Zenesis STANDARDS with Serial Numbers below 50 AND shipped from the FEBRUARY LIST with a GROUND EDGE QUARTZ TANK.

NO EXCEPTIONS!

 

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Sweet!

(I haven't gotten any notices so wonder if I'm still on the list...)

The payment notices go out this weekend...tonight probably. :) IF you are on the March list. Are you on the wait list from the site? Or are you on the March or April lists he initially began with? IF you are on the wait list from the site, there's a Limited number of Z-Atties due the week of June 25 and you will get an email telling you when they are available. That's when you run to the site to buy. :)
 

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The payment notices go out this weekend...tonight probably. :) IF you are on the March list. Are you on the wait list from the site? Or are you on the March or April lists he initially began with? IF you are on the wait list from the site, there's a Limited number of Z-Atties due the week of June 25 and you will get an email telling you when they are available. That's when you run to the site to buy. :)



Vic, I apologize if this has been asked, and I'm pretty sure it has. My PM from Zen to be on list for the ZAUs is dated from January 10th. Does that mean I'm on the March list ? And again, sorry if this has been asked before.
 
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