Zens are being made and sold monthly. In the last sale there were around 100 that were sold out in just a few minutes. In addition to those, there were Special Editions that were also made and sold....BAM 100 APVs, AYS 30 APVs, Ash 20 APVs. The T1s were also finished, assembled, and went out in the mail in the last couple of weeks. There are about 250 people that have been on a list for many months for the Zattys. These are being assembled and will be going out in the next week or so.
And all of this is the effort of one man who also works a full time 40 hr work week. He is doing all the work on the Zenesis in what is laughingly called his spare time.
Most of the people on this list has been waiting months, not just days or weeks. In spite of that, all the Zenfidels believe in adhering to Zen's wishes pertaining to his Zenesis creations, and also believe in playing nice with the other members of the group.
People who believe that scalping is all right, or that getting a Zenesis APV anyway you can is acceptable behavior might not be a good fit for this group.
Ive kept to myself on this whole issue, but frankly its ridiculous. If a person wants to buy something, has the money, and decides to spends it on said product at an agreeable price then who is anyone to condemn the seller or the buyer? People have FREE WILL to choose whether they wish to buy the item you are selling at whatever price you determine is agreeable or simply pass on the sale. The idea that buying a Zenesis comes with a plethora of strings attached of an almost a religious nature is preposterous. We live in a FREE MARKET CAPITALISTIC society and SUPPLY AND DEMAND dictates what value all goods have by the demand and scarcity of said goods. This idea that the person who buys a product and resells it at a profit is somehow a greedy, amoral, scum of the earth person, is pure hypocrisy. If the creator of a product is so annoyed with others profiting from his efforts he should either charge more or simply be thankful that early adopters bankrolled his inventory with the idea they could profit from buying additional units. Do you hate Wal-Mart or Target or any other retailer for charging more for their products that they obviously paid less for? Did they force you to pay a profit on the product that they surely didnt create? Isnt the fact that they have the item you want at a price youre willing to pay, a fair arrangement for the energy and money it takes to conveniently acquire, provide, and store the product locally for you worth a premium?
Value Added, can simply mean I HAVE WHAT YOU WANT, I WAITED FOR WEEKS, I SPENT HOURS ACQUIRING THIS ITEM, so you didnt have to...now pay me my pound of flesh or go to the back of the queue.
Its simply a choice. The ones capable of paying the premium are obviously making a valued judgment as to what their time is worth.
The whole thing boils down to whether Zen wants to be in business or start a religion? I personally think this whole Tar & Feather approach by forum members will ultimately just alienate people to not want to be part of this group. To borrow a phrase, Its like walking on eggshells in here and its only getting worse. This self-righteous indignation is nauseating. What, no one here has ever bought and sold something at a profit before that they themselves didnt create? A person who simply wants a Zenesis and is willing to pay more for it to get one, is now bound by some unknown rule that they must loose money on it if they decide to sell it at a price they themselves paid?
CAVEAT EMPTOR has somehow lost its meaning?
If this is the direction of this thread, then banish me. I dont care. At least I wont have to read pages of hypocrisy and self-righteous comments from people smugly pretending they are somehow of a higher moral fiber while condemning people for being human as well as opportunistic. More importantly, you can not police human nature, and if you try you may likely harm Zens business more than help it.
Keep your Kool-Aid, it tasting sour to me.

