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2) Became a monthly donor (practically any amount you can)
Steps yet to complete
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1) Becoming a member of CASAA (not financially obligatory)
2) Became a monthly donor (practically any amount you can)
Steps yet to complete
3) Emails
4) letters
5) phone calls
Sorry to disillusion you my friend but.......I believe kinbaloo said there have been more studies on inhaling the WTA's
than on vaping juices with just nicotine.
There is absolutely no tastes of anything associated with WTA's.
All juice contains some WTA. We cannot get away from vaping chemicals since after all nicotine is a chemical as is VG, PG and flavorings technically.
What we can get away from is the combustion which can and does make folks ill.
I for one don't believe all the bs about smoking causing cancer. I think that is genetically linked. If it was true wouldn't everyone we ever smoked around have contracted some cancerous disease by now?
How do you account for the 80+ {may be lower} percentage rate of people who get lung cancer who have never smoked? For my money it's in the very polluted air we breathe.
C.B.
True but I believe it's the water we drink !!
Sorry to disillusion you my friend but.......I believe kinbaloo said there have been more studies on inhaling the WTA's
than on vaping juices with just nicotine.
There is absolutely no tastes of anything associated with WTA's.
All juice contains some WTA. We cannot get away from vaping chemicals since after all nicotine is a chemical as is VG, PG and flavorings technically.
What we can get away from is the combustion which can and does make folks ill.
I for one don't believe all the bs about smoking causing cancer. I think that is genetically linked. If it was true wouldn't everyone we ever smoked around have contracted some cancerous disease by now?
How do you account for the 80+ {may be lower} percentage rate of people who get lung cancer who have never smoked? For my money it's in the very polluted air we breathe.
C.B.
While that may be true, there is no doubt that I feel better vaping and not smoking especially my lungs so at a minimum, irregardless of WTA's there's less "wear and tear" on some critical components with vaping.
True but I believe it's the water we drink !!
And the exhaust we inhale and the food we eat and the electromagnetic waves we're bombarded with using our nice shiny high-tech devices.
I believe the statistic is 1/3 smokers will end up with cancer. Meanwhile I believe the statistic also exists that 1/3 US citizens will end up with cancer...so transference, maybe? Ya, just a little bit.
OB: "I have read the complaints that zen is introducing new products when the ones that he had lists for are not complete yet. What people need to understand is that the new products that have been introduced and completed in that time were just small variations on the products that already existed and I am guessing that those were easier to just throw into the mix without changing much. And, those were a couple of small limited runs."
It's very insulting, waiting and waiting to use a paid for pv while the other pv's and even the same type pv's are being shipped out before the problems of the first ones are taken care of.
It's very insulting to have your crystal break, be told there will be more on site and notifications sent out to those who need replacements only to learn that it will be a free for all first come first serve and if you don't hit the site when they're there then it's YOUR bad luck.
It's very insulting to be yelled at for not caring about the vendor when you're making inquiry's about your purchase or problem. We DO care about the vendor, but we also care about US.
It's very insulting to be called "jealous" of those who happily vape on the same thing you yourself should be happily vaping on long before the late comers ever discovered theirs.
The most insulting is when you FINALLY get a PM to your problem and the PM says "I'm looking in to it" (hey, the cc site doesn't recognize my address as an official address even though P.O.Box #### in %&*^@ Calif has been my address for forever!" TIME goes on, days fly by, hubby's 2 day out of the hospital and is so aggravated by all the nonsense he makes a phone call and the wonderful Master says "you can't use a p.o. box, you have use a home address" and then the wonderful Zen master comes on board and says "IF you're CLEVER, you'll find a way to get around it.... " and then makes another appearance and insults those who PM him and who CALL him.
I'm done with all this. I'm so fed up with all the insulting and rudeness here.
Anyone wanna buy a paperweight??????
It's very insulting, waiting and waiting to use a paid for pv while the other pv's and even the same type pv's are being shipped out before the problems of the first ones are taken care of.
It's very insulting to have your crystal break, be told there will be more on site and notifications sent out to those who need replacements only to learn that it will be a free for all first come first serve and if you don't hit the site when they're there then it's YOUR bad luck.
It's very insulting to be yelled at for not caring about the vendor when you're making inquiry's about your purchase or problem. We DO care about the vendor, but we also care about US.
It's very insulting to be called "jealous" of those who happily vape on the same thing you yourself should be happily vaping on long before the late comers ever discovered theirs.
The most insulting is when you FINALLY get a PM to your problem and the PM says "I'm looking in to it" (hey, the cc site doesn't recognize my address as an official address even though P.O.Box #### in %&*^@ Calif has been my address for forever!" TIME goes on, days fly by, hubby's 2 day out of the hospital and is so aggravated by all the nonsense he makes a phone call and the wonderful Master says "you can't use a p.o. box, you have use a home address" and then the wonderful Zen master comes on board and says "IF you're CLEVER, you'll find a way to get around it.... " and then makes another appearance and insults those who PM him and who CALL him.
I'm done with all this. I'm so fed up with all the insulting and rudeness here.
Anyone wanna buy a paperweight??????
When you paid your deposit, how long did it take for you to find out if your payment was received?
When you talk about other lists, aren't most of them public, notated as unpaid/paid/delivered?
Curiosity killed the cat.
I really don't mind if the mini I ordered is late being shipped. The terms and conditions of the sale says it could be late. My only complaint is I have no idea if zen~ received my payment for it. People kept in the dark will invent strange things and that might explain the "conspiracy theories" you hear people mention. I don't listen to crazy things people invent in their minds. I just note what has actually happened to other people and try to draw a conclusion for myself.
For that, I want to thank you OB for mentioning that you received a shipment without getting any shipping notification. It gave me a strange hope that I might not be getting any shipping notification and might just be "surprised" when and if it gets delivered.
Not sure where to out myself as a ......ed newb to the forum, so I think I'll start here.
I've been scouring the forums and Zen's website trying to figure how, when, where to get on the list for one of these bad boys. I signed up on the waiting list on the website but read somewhere that may not be working right?
So.. how do I get in line?
I've been scouring the forums and Zen's website trying to figure how, when, where to get on the list for one of these bad boys. I signed up on the waiting list on the website but read somewhere that may not be working right?
So.. how do I get in line?
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To me vaping>smoking. I feel lots better since I switched, I don't stink (as much), vaping tastes great, saves me money (someday, maybe), and it's fun hanging out with you guys!
If my chances of catching the cancer are reduced, all the better!
No lines or lists any longer...... The lists people are refering to were started earlier this year and once they're done, they're done. No more lists. You can sign up on HoH to be notified and watch here. That's about it.
If your looking for the Quartz tanks they are in stock. I dont know about the po box thing because everything Ive bought from HOH has come to my PO box.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%! Vaping has made me a happier and healthier feeling man. He11, I even sing better now than I have in my entire life (it's the little things, ya knowTo me vaping>smoking. I feel lots better since I switched, I don't stink (as much), vaping tastes great, saves me money (someday, maybe), and it's fun hanging out with you guys!
)My comment was aimed at the possibilities and statistics. In no way would I attack vaping...I mean, I am here practically every day 
Hey Byten, don't you bad mouth Byten!!!!
Hey, if you are on this thread, just keep reading and you will find all that you need to know...make your self comfortable, keep reading, and forget about it...
p.s. We are in the same boat.
Uma,
Maybe ship it to friends house near by? Just trying to help out with some solutions we on this forum can do. I sure if you would have asked for a tank (and you might have) on here some one could have spared one or pointed you in the direction of temp fix as Ive seen a lot already.
Maybe ship it to friends house near by? Just trying to help out with some solutions we on this forum can do. I sure if you would have asked for a tank (and you might have) on here some one could have spared one or pointed you in the direction of temp fix as Ive seen a lot already.
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