House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[Drottwiler]

Morning wow some super changes coming.1 ?? How much more will they weigh? I agree with Riddle 100%.Don't forget price.306s aren't cheap and to last 1 week or less bilds up.So I say for the price of 2-3 addy you can get the materials and last a year or more with the rebilidable.AAAAAAAAA++++++++++ IMO.

 

[JollyRogers]

Very nice Zen~. I was looking forward to seeing this announcement, but what impressed me the most is the way you are grandfathering in the ones on the list, and offering a trade-up to those that already have one. Says a lot. I think that whole aluminum thing started when a certain tank was pitting... I have never seen it personally (maybe the type of liquid was the issue?), but that is a whole other discussion, and it did probably did make a few folks shy away.

Personally, I would jump on a used one myself right now if I could find one! I have been playing a lot with some homemade g-atties and can't wait to get a proper setup. February can't get here fast enough for me!

 

[Mr. White]

What impressed me the most is that this mod is going to be made out of 316 LVM--often known as "surgical" stainless steel. It's an extremely high-quality stainless, and as such it's expensive. It's also extremely difficult to work with. There's a reason no other mod is being made with this. Many machine shops wouldn't attempt working it, or if they did, the price would be significantly higher because of the failure rate they'd likely have in production.

 

[Zen~]

There's a reason no other mod is being made with this. Many machine shops wouldn't attempt working it, or if they did, the price would be significantly higher because of the failure rate they'd likely have in production.

I had to find a shop that already specialized in the material. Nobody in my city would touch it without quintupling the price! Once I found the shop through a friend in the medical field located in Chicago, I had to convince them to hopper feed bar ends and monetize their scrap, which brings the price down to the realm of manageable.

Doing this required a complete revamping of the money side of the business model, but with the increased volume it should work out fine... I make WAY less per PV... but I personally have to put in way less time per PV, so I end up paying myself the same hourly rate, with far fewer hours. Initially... I come up short... But in the long term I will hopefully sell far more PVs, more people will get to use these. Everybody wins.

I'm still going to make some future Limited Editions by hand out of aluminum and brass and a few more materials I have in the works. I'll have more fun!

I like fun!

 

[lexi60]

This is defiantly a revolution in e cigs. One of The safest most durable, almost indestructible metals known. And it's fully mechanical. You've definitely built a PV that'll last a lifetime! Impressive work Zen!
I can't wait to get one.

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[Zen~]

This is defiantly a revolution in e cigs. One of The safest most durable, almost indestructible metals known. And it's fully mechanical. You've definitely built a PV that'll last a lifetime!

I can think of one other metal that would be better... Do you think anybody would buy a $650.00 Titanium Mini?

 

[darco]

The only point of concern with the SS would be weight. While I dont mind the weight in exchange of having a bulletproof device, some people might have issues with it. Have you prototyped one Zen? Do you know what the approx. weight of the PVs might turn out to be? Just asking for everyone to know, I personally would definitely prefer an all SS Zenesis. It kinda adds to the idea that the Zenesis could last a lifetime of vaping.

 

[darco]

I can think of one other metal that would be better... Do you think anybody would buy a $650.00 Titanium Mini?

Now you have me dreaming! If the Zenesis does work well for my daily use and becomes my permanent go to vape, maybe I will!

 

[Zen~]

To answer the question about weight... I won't know for another two weeks... by my calculations, however, it should weigh an additional 2 OZ more... More or less, of course.

@Darco... A Titanium Mini would be very light... very expensive... and absolutely very cool... but the price would be prohibitive... I would have to find 40-50 buyers at $600-$700 to even think about it... maybe someday this could happen!

 

[Hrathor]

I can think of one other metal that would be better... Do you think anybody would buy a $650.00 Titanium Mini?

Why not Scandium?

 

[lexi60]

Tungsten would be a neat idea.
My wedding ring is tungsten, its taken a beating, for 10 years. still looks new.
But I don't think it's conductive..

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[UA72Riddle]

Tungsten would be a neat idea.
My wedding ring is tungsten, its taken a beating, for 10 years. still looks new.
But I don't think it's conductive..

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Tungsten is conductive.....but is also VERY brittle! I weld with pure and 2% tungsten....and I can snap a 1/8th rod very easily....even by accident....lol Where aluminum and SS would bend, tungsten would snap.

Now titanium.....THAT would be awesome! (that's what my wedding ring is )

 

[Hrathor]

Tungsten would be a neat idea.
My wedding ring is tungsten, its taken a beating, for 10 years. still looks new.
But I don't think it's conductive..

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Tungsten is very brittle unless there is a grade I don't know about. A guy at work dropped a tungsten tool body (never used) from about 2 feet and it exploded. It cost $200-300 and all it is, is a bar with a female threaded end, 2" D.

 

[Hrathor]

Tungsten is conductive.....but is also VERY brittle! I weld with pure and 2% tungsten....and I can snap a 1/8th rod very easily....even by accident....lol Where aluminum and SS would bend, tungsten would snap.

Now titanium.....THAT would be awesome! (that's what my wedding ring is )

We machine turbines out of Ti. We had a manufacturing defect and they were trying to figure out why it looked like 1 of the blades "broke" off. So we machined one of and put it in a vice. I beat it with an 8 pound sledge for half the day and it never came close to breaking.

 

[Zen~]

Why not Scandium?

Other than its radioactive properties and the fact that it can spontaneously burst into flames when being machined... I see no real issue with it.

 

[lexi60]

Is there only 1 grade of tungsten?
I dropped a 180lb clutch on my hand have 3 screws holding my bones together, but my ring is flawless. Lol. Landed right on top of it.


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[Hrathor]

Other than its radioactive properties and the fact that it can spontaneously burst into flames when being machined... I see no real issue with it.

I didn't know Scandium was radioactive but I have seen Ti melt a hole through a coolant trough That was on a lathe though, never seen it catch on fire when milling.

 

[Zen~]

I didn't know Scandium was radioactive but I have seen Ti melt a hole through a coolant trough That was on a lathe though, never seen it catch on fire when milling.

Have you milled Scandium?

 

[Hrathor]

Is there only 1 grade of tungsten?
I dropped a 180lb clutch on my hand have 3 screws holding my bones together, but my ring is flawless. Lol. Landed right on top of it.


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From Tungsten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The jewelry industry makes rings of sintered tungsten carbide, tungsten carbide/metal composites, and also simply metallic tungsten. Sometimes manufacturers or retailers refer to tungsten carbide as a metal, but it is rather a ceramic.[42] Because of tungsten carbide's hardness, rings made of this material are extremely abrasion resistant, and will hold a burnished finish much longer than rings made of metallic tungsten. Tungsten carbide rings are brittle, however, and may crack under a sharp blow.[43]

Better it break than bends anyhow as a ring. If it breaks you don't have to figure out how to get it off!

 

[Hrathor]

Have you milled Scandium?

Nope. I have a .357 and .45 Smith & Wesson revolver made out of it...