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Shouldn't be too long now. I think the distributor agreements are in place.
You can go back in the thread around the time the zen cart/web site/Paypal shut down was going on and find the dates Mike had posted that were the likely charge-backs at the time. He knew the dates and posted them here. It WAS before the Midnight Madness sale...because he had the Midnight sale on his NEW web site....BECAUSE of the mess with the old web site, Paypal and zen cart debacle.
I do believe it was the BAM, Ti Mini, SS Mini and Standard sale he had on that site. The ONLY sale he had on that site. He had 25-30 (? each) of the SS Zenesis Mini and Standards he put up. The BAM and Ti Mini were pre-sale/pre-pay (1/2 for the Ti mini...$250). That would have been in April, 2012 (that's when I paid for my BAM...April 14 and I was AFTER the dates for the charge-backs he was concerned about (I checked at that time)...if this helps). Looking back on the thread should also give a good idea of WHO scored those SS Zenesis. Many people come back here after they are able/not able to get one and post about it. That MIGHT help Mike match names to transactions...I don't know.
There must be a way to find out what name goes with what transaction number and either re-charge (IF their CC is still being used...DOUBTFUL!), or get the Zenesis back (also DOUBTFUL! they have probably already been sold in the classified for HUGE profits).
$4000 is a LOT of money and a LOT of DISHONEST people! I'm sorry to say though, it does NOT surprise me in the least. Look what vapers did to Steel Jan. Look at what vapers did to Mike's site the night of the Midnight Madness sale. This community is full of dishonest, GREEDY people.
On one hand you have a group of people who will raise tens of thousands of dollars for a Cancer patient (Twygg), and on the other hand you have a group of people who will screw you the first chance they get. They got a HUGE chance with Mike's unfortunate web site/zen cart mishap and took full advantage of it.
The GREEDY people know who they are and Shame On Them....though anyone who would do something like that, more than likely, is incapable of feeling shame.
KARMA is a B**ch. What goes around comes around. Those people will definitely get theirs.
I do believe it was the BAM, Ti Mini, SS Mini and Standard sale he had on that site. The ONLY sale he had on that site. He had 25-30 (? each) of the SS Zenesis Mini and Standards he put up. The BAM and Ti Mini were pre-sale/pre-pay (1/2 for the Ti mini...$250). That would have been in April, 2012 (that's when I paid for my BAM...April 14 and I was AFTER the dates for the charge-backs he was concerned about (I checked at that time)...if this helps). Looking back on the thread should also give a good idea of WHO scored those SS Zenesis. Many people come back here after they are able/not able to get one and post about it. That MIGHT help Mike match names to transactions...I don't know.
There must be a way to find out what name goes with what transaction number and either re-charge (IF their CC is still being used...DOUBTFUL!), or get the Zenesis back (also DOUBTFUL! they have probably already been sold in the classified for HUGE profits).
$4000 is a LOT of money and a LOT of DISHONEST people! I'm sorry to say though, it does NOT surprise me in the least. Look what vapers did to Steel Jan. Look at what vapers did to Mike's site the night of the Midnight Madness sale. This community is full of dishonest, GREEDY people.
On one hand you have a group of people who will raise tens of thousands of dollars for a Cancer patient (Twygg), and on the other hand you have a group of people who will screw you the first chance they get. They got a HUGE chance with Mike's unfortunate web site/zen cart mishap and took full advantage of it.
The GREEDY people know who they are and Shame On Them....though anyone who would do something like that, more than likely, is incapable of feeling shame.
KARMA is a B**ch. What goes around comes around. Those people will definitely get theirs.
Karma will get you every time. It may not be till way down the road......but it'll get you
I had the most perfect work day for a Saturday. A quiet morning, a killer busy, money making afternoon, and... getting out on time! So I'll say good bye till much later tonight, and wish you all a great Saturday evening.
And Vic.......don't be a stranger Your presence adds more to this thread than any ten of us combined. You've been missed!
And Vic.......don't be a stranger
Your presence adds more to this thread than any ten of us combined. You've been missed!
I want a Z atty G!!
You'll LOVE any Z atty, they are masterpeices and thats why I call Zen my GodFather!!
I had the most perfect work day for a Saturday. A quiet morning, a killer busy, money making afternoon, and... getting out on time! So I'll say good bye till much later tonight, and wish you all a great Saturday evening.
And Vic.......don't be a stranger
See ya K-man and thank you.
(((HUGS)))
So there is no way this refunded monies incident happened with the ASH payments right?
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Hey, Ego! I really like your iHybrid....pretty kewl APV!
Good luck on your new venture. 
Karma is a nice idea, but sometimes it doesn't work maybe in the next life.
I don't understand where the problem is. Does the Creditcard Company give no answer about the transactions?
If i call visa with an transactionnumber they give me all informations i need.
I know its stressfull but maybe there are other ways like
checking who has paid in the timeperiod, all others has to been checked.
Everything is safed in computers, every transaction, order and confirm mail.
Zen sell his products not at black market. Or did i missunderstood the issue?
I don't understand where the problem is. Does the Creditcard Company give no answer about the transactions?
If i call visa with an transactionnumber they give me all informations i need.
I know its stressfull but maybe there are other ways like
checking who has paid in the timeperiod, all others has to been checked.
Everything is safed in computers, every transaction, order and confirm mail.
Zen sell his products not at black market. Or did i missunderstood the issue?
I don't think so. Those were all processed through the new site, right? He didn't sell anything else after that zen cart/Paypal/web site mess, until he had his NEW site up and running.
These charge backs were from the old zen cart on the old site and EARLY April, I do believe.
L8ter K-man
VICSAN!!!!!!!
Paislia! Good to see you too!
Ok good no way I am one if the scumbags that ripped him off. I would also think I would've seen the refund. I watch my account pretty close after I had gotten fraudulent charges bout a year ago
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As long as he has transaction numbers, he should be able to track down the people by calling Visa/AmEx/Discover. He can tell them they have his product and he never received payment for it. However, the whole Ecig issue may be at play here too. I don't know.
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