Thanks Dearme 
This is my "I quit cigarettes" gift to myself SO GLAD I WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET ONE SO QUICK
This is my "I quit cigarettes" gift to myself
SO GLAD I WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET ONE SO QUICK- Status
I am so jealous of the mystery box people..........
CB tonight or not?
I am jealous as well. I think no CB....
I had heard once that a person was checked and after around 2 hours from the last time they vaped and they didn't detect any nicotine. Don't take my word on this tho cause I'm no expert in the subject.
thanks for the info...definitely going to grab some self tests tomorrow, I think they sell them at walgreens/cvs type stores.
BenC7,
You should really check out a thread that I started in March 2011 talking about this issue. It's not very long, but the information in it might be invaluable to the questions you are asking. It started for employment purposes but goes into insurance and testing, etc. The thread is called "Nicotine Testing for Employment/Admission". I think it's an interesting read. Hope this helps!
Might just be a dirty or gunked up wick, pull it and burn it, replace and twist a coil.....CHOO CHOO!
Me too Ripple, can I borrow your shoulder to cry on? 
I am so jealous of the mystery box people..........
CB tonight or not?
I hope Mike comes on tonight.
Oh hey everyone o/ (me waving)
Keep those contents of mystery boxes coming...love em!
Oh hey everyone o/ (me waving)
Keep those contents of mystery boxes coming...love em!
I write Life Insurance. Maybe I can help. Some companies underwrite form smoking, and some underwrite for nicotine. Some, you can explain that you don't smoke, but they will find nic because you vape. Don't let them decline you, or rate you as a smoker. Get with your agent and find out the company's underwriting criteria. If they are gonna look at any nicotine the same, withdraw the app and go with another company. Why? Because some companies want to know if you've been declined our rated by another company, and if another company called you a smoker, they will call you a smoker regardless of their other underwriting criteria.
What a racket, huh?
Hi Katz,
Me too.
Feel like a phone call tonight or are you still not feeling good?
Me too.
Feel like a phone call tonight or are you still not feeling good?
I still feel like crap and have to get groceries tonight. I will see if you are still up for a call or if I am when I get back. I will PM you to see if you are up.
Hi Katz,
Me too.
Feel like a phone call tonight or are you still not feeling good?
#500 mesh???? where?
sorry for the swearing
I take issue with the remark about studies showing nicotine causes hypertension or atherosclerosis.
There are no long term, clinical studies showing that.
There is lab evidence that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, but no evidence that vasoconstrictors cause hypertenstion (i.e. chronic, self perpetuating elevation in blood pressure) but rather transient, mild increases in blood pressure.
There is evidence from small experimental human studies with small numbers of subjects showing that in smokers, nicotine administration alters vascular reactivity (basically blood vessels constrict in an abnormal way), but one such study shows that in non-smokers nicotine does not have that effect.
There are the famous studies done retrospectively, that's true, on the Swedish Snus cohorts showing that use of tobacco alone (which we may consider reasonably worse than nicotine alone) does not significantly increase risk of hypertension, coronary disease, etc. It does show a moderate increase in the risk of diabetes. There is also a smaller increase in heart failure which, in my opinion, is confounded by the significantly higher proportion of alcohol abusers in the Snus users than in the non-Snus users.
There is recent data presented at the European cardiology meeting showing vaping causes no acute myocardial dysfunction. Just like the ones above, this does not prove vaping does not increase long-term risk of heart disease - a long term, clinical study is needed for that - but provides a workable hypothesis that this is the case.
There is a plethora of small experimental studies, these days, showing questionably relevant physiologic parameter changes with vaping or nicotine exposure. These are bad science from the get-go, but I won't get into that. These small studies do not really prove anything whatsoever. Nothing. Yet they are quoted amply both in the mass media and in policy making circles as "evidence" of "presumable harm".
There are no long term, clinical studies showing that.
There is lab evidence that nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, but no evidence that vasoconstrictors cause hypertenstion (i.e. chronic, self perpetuating elevation in blood pressure) but rather transient, mild increases in blood pressure.
There is evidence from small experimental human studies with small numbers of subjects showing that in smokers, nicotine administration alters vascular reactivity (basically blood vessels constrict in an abnormal way), but one such study shows that in non-smokers nicotine does not have that effect.
There are the famous studies done retrospectively, that's true, on the Swedish Snus cohorts showing that use of tobacco alone (which we may consider reasonably worse than nicotine alone) does not significantly increase risk of hypertension, coronary disease, etc. It does show a moderate increase in the risk of diabetes. There is also a smaller increase in heart failure which, in my opinion, is confounded by the significantly higher proportion of alcohol abusers in the Snus users than in the non-Snus users.
There is recent data presented at the European cardiology meeting showing vaping causes no acute myocardial dysfunction. Just like the ones above, this does not prove vaping does not increase long-term risk of heart disease - a long term, clinical study is needed for that - but provides a workable hypothesis that this is the case.
There is a plethora of small experimental studies, these days, showing questionably relevant physiologic parameter changes with vaping or nicotine exposure. These are bad science from the get-go, but I won't get into that. These small studies do not really prove anything whatsoever. Nothing. Yet they are quoted amply both in the mass media and in policy making circles as "evidence" of "presumable harm".
BTW, it is not all bad today. Congrats to all those who received their mystery boxes today. I bet you were all super excited to see what you got. I may be a little jealous of you all, but I am really happy for all of you as well. Enjoy it, you were the lucky ones!!!!
No worries. Take care of yourself and we can do it another time. ((Katz))
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