Thank you Kurt. If there is a general fund to compensate you for your work, I'll happily contribute. I'm done with BE now.
Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results
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I could never believe anything BE might say at this point. They could disclose everything and be on the up and up but I could NEVER trust them after this, plus, their response to the concerns in the beginning, before test results were available, shows they are concerned about one thing, and one thing only......$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I came so close to ordering my first bottle of nic from them and the only thing that stopped me was seeing the complaints about slow shipping. Now I'm very thankful I chose RTS and I plan on staying with the same company for all future orders. Once a company breaks the trust factor, that's pretty much it for me. As far as I'm concerned, BE had their chance to come clean when all the questions were raised and they sloughed it off by trying to make the ones with concerns look like paranoid idiots. Shame on them!
You guys in Holland don't know what regulation US style means. We don't like it. We have over 2 million people in prisons, for instance. And not much benefit from "certification". Or look at China. You want regulation for you, in your country, your way, be my guest, but please don't suggest it for other countries.
As to BE, of course you wouldn't buy from them again. I'd still like to hear their story.
As to BE, of course you wouldn't buy from them again. I'd still like to hear their story.
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I am not saying to ban, I am saying regulation to get some sort of control, now anybody can do anything. It can be made up of experts in the field, have a team of suppliers get together with the aim to create a saver environment for everybody and to prevent issues like this. If the bad word goes out, especially with a young industry, it will be us who will suffer. In the end if some small irresponsible companies screws up, we will all feel it, you know that.
happy vaping!
happy vaping!
Not all Americans are against regulations! LOL. I happen to feel that a bit of regulation is a good thing (not just for nicotine, but other consumer products and services as well). I don't trust companies and corporations which are looking after the bottom line to be completely ethical and self regulate, and I don't think consumers have the necessary expertise to perform analyses on every single product or service they purchase.
Of course, I understand that life is not and can not be 100% safe, but there is some grey area here. It's not a black or white question, IMO. We can have some regulation without the expectation that accidents will never happen or that all risk will be eliminated from our lives. JMO.
Oh, I also want to thank smallmam for her original tests. She did a good job with what she had, and she put up with some pretty intense questioning of her results in the previous thread. Which is not to say questioning is bad, but it's nice to see her results validated, and I thank her for being willing to put that information out there for our safety, even though it wasn't a rigorous lab test.
Who are we to trust? Even if its bought from a reputable place, a mistake is bound to happen. We are buying products from people who may have no expertise in chemicals, mixing in the spare bedroom. a person can change company names and start anew easily. I now feel like I may not be doing the smart thing starting this vaping. Wow this is reality isnt it. Decisions to make for me.....
don't overreact!! planes crash due to mistakes also with that and many other .....-ups in life, stop breathing!! 
Well, so the thing is... the person who got the really strong nic knew it. This all started when he posted that the nicotine felt way too strong. He just didn't have any of the equipment to test it. So, while this is BAD, it's something that most reasonably experienced vapers would recognize pretty quickly. Nicotine being too weak, OTOH, is not great, but at least it's not really dangerous.
If you would like to test your nicotine, there are test kits available on ebay. They are not as accurate as what Kurt did, but they can give you an idea of whether your nicotine is way out of spec.
For the moment, I feel pretty comfortable buying from RTS Vapes. It does seem that they test their nicotine and I lean toward believing them. Really, it's pretty stupid for a company to not test their nicotine. It opens them up to both legal problems and bad customer relations. I would urge all nicotine and juice vendors to carefully examine their quality control procedures and make sure they are as tight as possible.
You can always go and trust the big Pharmaceutical companies, or RJReynolds and PhilipMorris. They're fully certified, and even regulated ... and so what?
Accidents happen, with or without certificates. Some people are more careful than others, you don't even have to invoke greed.
Nothing all THAT horrible happened. Relax. Have a vape.
Wow Kurt, thank you for the informative testing results.
I receive a lot of inquires from users world wide of my eJuice Me Up calculator on what and where to buy supplies for DIY eJuice mixing.
I have never recommended B.E. nor will I ever recommend them after seeing Kurts test results.
I receive a lot of inquires from users world wide of my eJuice Me Up calculator on what and where to buy supplies for DIY eJuice mixing.
I have never recommended B.E. nor will I ever recommend them after seeing Kurts test results.
You can always go and trust the big Pharmaceutical companies, or RJReynolds and PhilipMorris. They're fully certified, and even regulated ... and so what?
Accidents happen, with or without certificates. Some people are more careful than others, you don't even have to invoke greed.
Nothing all THAT horrible happened. Relax. Have a vape.
Hey Salem, I was told by a Chinese Nic Vendor that the best storage of Nic should be stored at 2-5C°
Fernand u are absolutely correct. Just hadn't had my coffee yet I guess. Thanks for shakin' my head straight! nice to meet ya
Is nic inherently kind of like a vinegar and oil scenario (or a can of house paint), where you have to keep mixing/shaking at each point in the process to get it distributed?
Don't the tier 1 suppliers all have to start with pretty pure nicotine, somewhere up around 997 mg/ml, which then gets mixed with PG and/or VG? (and even if they buy at a lower level, say 500 mg/ml, that means they actually aren't tier 1, since they are relying on the group they bought from having done that initial cut properly). If they haven't used the equivalent of a paint shaker, for a decent period of time, will there be voids of lower mg, and hot spots of higher mg?
I'm trying to understand if there is anything about supplier A vs. supplier B, if somehow there is "better" nic that stays dissolved uniformly better, or if it is a case of all suppliers, end of the day, need to be making sure they are thoroughly shaking/mixing their nic, all the time, prior to use. If someone makes up a gallon of 100mg/ml, and it is tested as 100, if it sits on the shelf for any length of time doesn't it have to be remixed/shaken in order to know that the 120ml decanted from it is really 100 mg/ml?
Don't the tier 1 suppliers all have to start with pretty pure nicotine, somewhere up around 997 mg/ml, which then gets mixed with PG and/or VG? (and even if they buy at a lower level, say 500 mg/ml, that means they actually aren't tier 1, since they are relying on the group they bought from having done that initial cut properly). If they haven't used the equivalent of a paint shaker, for a decent period of time, will there be voids of lower mg, and hot spots of higher mg?
I'm trying to understand if there is anything about supplier A vs. supplier B, if somehow there is "better" nic that stays dissolved uniformly better, or if it is a case of all suppliers, end of the day, need to be making sure they are thoroughly shaking/mixing their nic, all the time, prior to use. If someone makes up a gallon of 100mg/ml, and it is tested as 100, if it sits on the shelf for any length of time doesn't it have to be remixed/shaken in order to know that the 120ml decanted from it is really 100 mg/ml?
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I don't think that nicotine falls out of solution. I believe that once it's well mixed it should stay mixed. It's very viscous, as are the PG and VG, so that initial mixing, and adequate mixing after a dilution are essential. But once it's mixed it should be homogenous.
I bet Kurt would know for sure though.
I bet Kurt would know for sure though.
That would be nice. Think I'll still keep shaking my bottles before using, though
Is there a possibility of having "hot spots" in say, a bottle of VG-base nic liquid, because the liquid wasn't homogenous? I heard that Chris at My Freedom Smokes preferred to limit the strength of his VG nic for that reason.
What if a vendor added nic to a bottle, filled it up with base, capped and shipped it. No stirring, no agitation. Would a high proportion of the nic end up on top?
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What if a vendor added nic to a bottle, filled it up with base, capped and shipped it. No stirring, no agitation. Would a high proportion of the nic end up on top?
/ speculation
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